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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/16 13:43:31 (permalink)
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Gator, most of what I see comes across my phone on the MSN homepage. With a grain of salt, there are a few contributing sites that actually report news for the reality, many that report news as long as they can inflect an anti-Trump sentiment, and some far left sites that report with complete spin. You'll have to glean what you read, but depending on your ideology, you'll likely believe those that agree with you.


Ah thanks. 

I always try to get some news I don't agree with. Echo chambers are an awful thing, especially now. 

Also, you guys still engage with PSU? Remember when he went after a posters' teenager daughter here because he was upset about politics? Shameful.



I am glad you are finally admitting that this forum has turned into an msnbc, CNN talking point....bastion of socialism.  The echoes do ring loudly in here.  I am sure most of you probably support HAMAS too which wouldn't surprise me.


Hey man, lately I’m just highlighting the ineptitude of the GOP House caucus, that’s all. I gotta believe that even some of the board republicans have been left shaking their heads over this debacle.

And I certainly don’t support a terrorist organization that murders of civilians. Believe it or not I’m actually gonna with “both sides” on that whole debate.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/16 14:18:36 (permalink)
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And I certainly don’t support a terrorist organization that murders of civilians. Believe it or not I’m actually gonna with “both sides” on that whole debate.


You aren’t saying, very fine people on both sides? Who are you, Trump?

Hamas can eat a D. They started this chapter of chaos. The dead Palestinians in Israel’s response to this point are on them. I’m sure most Palestinians wouldn’t agree, but they did elect Hamas into power. Electing fringe groups has consequences. Granted, if Israel keeps indiscriminately shelling Palestine, they aren’t much better than Putin. Israel has a much better reason for their response. But most Palestinians are not in Hamas and most Ukrainians are not soldiers, they shouldn’t be targeted. I assume every conservative antiabortionist has major issues with the killing of Palestinian children. Just haven’t had a chance to post on here yet?
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/16 16:19:53 (permalink)
Back to a local politics gripe. If you either robocall me or text me for support, chances are that I will vote against you. It is like these candidates don’t know that 99.9999% of people can’t stand telemarketers??? Might as well jump on a commercial with Edgar Snyder if you really want me to vote against you!
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/16 17:38:39 (permalink)
The Palestinians elected the PLO as the governing body of their land, but Hamas has taken control from them. 30 years ago, the PLO was extremely bad news, and Yasser Arafat was a terrorist. Now no Arab country wants to let the Palistinian refugees into their country. Egypt has blocked the entrance, and yet not a single Arab country has denounced Hamas for their action. To me, that means that all Arab countries want Israel gone. Ain't gonna happen. So now ya got Hamas attacking in the south, and Hezbollah attacking in the north, both backed by Iran, but Hezbollah actually gets support from factions inside Iraq too. All those American lives lost in Iraq, Afghanistan, and some in Syria was for nought.
They've been fightin' and butcherin' for 2000 years; they ain't gonna stop now.
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Whenever you want to know what the Democrats are up to, watch what they accuse the other side of doing.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/16 22:55:51 (permalink)
It's a good thing that we don't have a two tiered justice system. 57 Jewish protesters arrested outside Senator Schumer's home in Brooklyn, but strangely, IIRC, nobody was arrested protesting Supreme Court Justice Kavenaugh's home and making terroristic threats over Roe. Law enforcement and the DOJ believes in treating everyone equally; no one is above the law, (unless you're a conservative Republican). Just ask them.

Whenever you want to know what the Democrats are up to, watch what they accuse the other side of doing.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 01:53:43 (permalink)
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Gator, most of what I see comes across my phone on the MSN homepage. With a grain of salt, there are a few contributing sites that actually report news for the reality, many that report news as long as they can inflect an anti-Trump sentiment, and some far left sites that report with complete spin. You'll have to glean what you read, but depending on your ideology, you'll likely believe those that agree with you.


Ah thanks. 

I always try to get some news I don't agree with. Echo chambers are an awful thing, especially now. 

Also, you guys still engage with PSU? Remember when he went after a posters' teenager daughter here because he was upset about politics? Shameful.



I am glad you are finally admitting that this forum has turned into an msnbc, CNN talking point....bastion of socialism.  The echoes do ring loudly in here.  I am sure most of you probably support HAMAS too which wouldn't surprise me.



Relax dude. Don't go around spouting off nonsense about people you disagree with on political matters supporting terrorists. It's a bad look. 




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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 08:29:09 (permalink)
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The Palestinians elected the PLO as the governing body of their land, but Hamas has taken control from them. 30 years ago, the PLO was extremely bad news, and Yasser Arafat was a terrorist. Now no Arab country wants to let the Palistinian refugees into their country. Egypt has blocked the entrance, and yet not a single Arab country has denounced Hamas for their action. To me, that means that all Arab countries want Israel gone. Ain't gonna happen. So now ya got Hamas attacking in the south, and Hezbollah attacking in the north, both backed by Iran, but Hezbollah actually gets support from factions inside Iraq too. All those American lives lost in Iraq, Afghanistan, and some in Syria was for nought.
They've been fightin' and butcherin' for 2000 years; they ain't gonna stop now.

Hamas is 100% a political party that was voted in by their people.

This conflict is about 100 years in the making and so many layers of complexities, it will likely remain contested for 2000 years. This current conflict hasn’t been 2000 years. Sure, all of the world has been in some sort of conflict for thousands of years. You can claim the US has “been fighting for hundreds of years” from the colonization, Spanish American, Revolution, Civil Wars, to current race and culture conflicts. But this current conflict in Israel started after WWI, after hundreds of years of peace in the region. Much to do with England and France double crossing a bunch of different groups, making promises that this land would be theirs in exchange for them to help topple the Ottoman Empire during the war. Immediately after WWI, Arabs were something like 98% of the population, but a major immigration move by international Jewish community to have their own homeland was starting (Zionism). It was between Palestine, somewhere in South America and I believe Estonia. They chose Palestine due to promises from France and England as well as historical ties to it being the holy land. The area wasn’t nearly as populated then, but still over 1M inhabitants with many thriving ancient cities as we see in their architecture well older than this current conflict. So the claim of it being a desert wasteland wasn’t entirely true. By 1947 the international community (League of Nations) proposed a two state plan for the area, with many survivors of the Holocaust being relocated to the area by this time as well as those immigrating prior (with resistance from Arabs). Could you imagine hundreds of thousands of immigrants flooding Western PA and calling it their homeland, what the reaction would be? I enjoy having immigrant neighbors from Bhutan, former Soviet Union states, China, African nations, etc. Bit might not be as welcoming if they were talking about wanting to make it a new homeland for their people and wanting to force me out. The Jewish side approved the two state proposal, the Arab side didn’t. It ended up in a civil war that Israel won and displaced 700,000 Arabs. Since then, there has been many full out “wars” between both sides and with other countries involved and constant fighting that might not be considered “war”. To most in the region, they have been in this current conflict since the first conflicts after the WWI shake up of the region.

The US finds a strong strategic ally in Israel. Having a place for the survivors of the Holocaust was a necessity (it should have been Germany, Italy or Japan though). Israel fought and won the war for the land, so like many lands won by force, it is theirs. For those reasons, I support Israel. Unfortunately there was very little consideration for the inhabitants of the area they were sent to. I can definitely understand the side of the Palestinians. The use of terrorism is beyond excusable though. The killing of innocent civilians is inexcusable for all. The pattern that Israel has followed over the years of “we will inflict 20 times the damage” has not been successful in stemming the conflict and is only growing support in the region for terrorist organizations. This is something that the international community needs to stress to Israel. Or every one of its allies becomes more and more a target of attacks. This overall conflict was the basis of 9/11.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 08:32:22 (permalink)
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It's a good thing that we don't have a two tiered justice system. 57 Jewish protesters arrested outside Senator Schumer's home in Brooklyn, but strangely, IIRC, nobody was arrested protesting Supreme Court Justice Kavenaugh's home and making terroristic threats over Roe. Law enforcement and the DOJ believes in treating everyone equally; no one is above the law, (unless you're a conservative Republican). Just ask them.




The first amendment does not protect the freedom to block traffic.  Maybe they should have used tear gas so Schumer could get a photo op holding a bible.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 10:50:52 (permalink)
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I call it LIBBY Lane same for or five dimwits over and over and yes I'd bet they all support Hamas


Not close Boom, but as always thanks for playing.
Btw it's FOUR(4)
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 13:00:46 (permalink)
Today could be the day. There is definitely a lot of chatter suggesting Jordan has won over some holdouts.

I think Jordan wins it all. If nothing else, the moderate house republicans have shown themselves again and again to be completely spineless, and completely submissive to the crazies in the party.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 14:26:43 (permalink)
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It's a good thing that we don't have a two tiered justice system. 57 Jewish protesters arrested outside Senator Schumer's home in Brooklyn, but strangely, IIRC, nobody was arrested protesting Supreme Court Justice Kavenaugh's home and making terroristic threats over Roe. Law enforcement and the DOJ believes in treating everyone equally; no one is above the law, (unless you're a conservative Republican). Just ask them.




So, just curious but when there's a discrepancy like that who pulls the trigger on the protester arrests?  How is that arranged and organized?   Is it like a decision that the local police chiefs and corporals make because they're all liberals or does Obama himself pick up the red telephone and call it in??
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 17:17:24 (permalink)
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Today could be the day. There is definitely a lot of chatter suggesting Jordan has won over some holdouts.

I think Jordan wins it all. If nothing else, the moderate house republicans have shown themselves again and again to be completely spineless, and completely submissive to the crazies in the party.


More opposition than expected for Ole Jimmy today. 20 house GOPrs voted against in first vote. Such unity and cohesion in the Republican Party🙄🤣
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 22:36:20 (permalink)
“We can have a healthy debate about who should lead the House Republican Conference,” Mr. Kelly wrote to his GOP colleagues. “In the meantime, we have work to do that is in our nation’s interest, both at home and abroad.”
 Mike Kelly said this.  You know, the same Mike Kelly that voted to negate PA voters choice for President in 2020.  Mr. Kelly is apparently a comedian now....healthy debate.
 
This Speaker mess won't be truly straightened out until Hakeem Jeffries takes the gavel in 2025.  The cynicism and refusal to govern of/by Republicans is astonishing.  They are performance artists now, nothing more.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 22:46:10 (permalink)
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So, just curious but when there's a discrepancy like that who pulls the trigger on the protester arrests?  How is that arranged and organized?   Is it like a decision that the local police chiefs and corporals make because they're all liberals or does Obama himself pick up the red telephone and call it in??
 

 
Beats me, LDD. Jewish protesters protesting a Jewish Senator. Apparently a Democrat United States Senator who is the Senate Majority Leader pulls more weight than a Conservative Republican Supreme Court judge. Who knew?
 

Whenever you want to know what the Democrats are up to, watch what they accuse the other side of doing.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/17 22:58:17 (permalink)
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So, just curious but when there's a discrepancy like that who pulls the trigger on the protester arrests?  How is that arranged and organized?   Is it like a decision that the local police chiefs and corporals make because they're all liberals or does Obama himself pick up the red telephone and call it in??
 

 
Beats me, LDD. Jewish protesters protesting a Jewish Senator. Apparently a Democrat United States Senator who is the Senate Majority Leader pulls more weight than a Conservative Republican Supreme Court judge. Who knew?
 


I believe it's more a matter of one group following the rules for peaceful protest, and the other fighting with police.  Being obnoxious and shouting foul language that many find objectionable is protected speech.  It may be approaching the line of illegality, may be morally repugnant to many, but it's protected by our constitution.  The individual that made terroristic threats to Kavanaugh was arrested.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 09:29:01 (permalink)
So I guess this is how Jim Jordan is gonna whip votes if he becomes speaker: intimidation.

https://twitter.com/Olivi...us/1714426340084986074

https://www.politico.com/...n-speaker-bid-00122089

How very “Trump” of him.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 10:38:55 (permalink)
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So, just curious but when there's a discrepancy like that who pulls the trigger on the protester arrests?  How is that arranged and organized?   Is it like a decision that the local police chiefs and corporals make because they're all liberals or does Obama himself pick up the red telephone and call it in??
 

 
Beats me, LDD. Jewish protesters protesting a Jewish Senator. Apparently a Democrat United States Senator who is the Senate Majority Leader pulls more weight than a Conservative Republican Supreme Court judge. Who knew?
 


I believe it's more a matter of one group following the rules for peaceful protest, and the other fighting with police.  Being obnoxious and shouting foul language that many find objectionable is protected speech.  It may be approaching the line of illegality, may be morally repugnant to many, but it's protected by our constitution.  The individual that made terroristic threats to Kavanaugh was arrested.




Is that like all the boomers around me that literally hang F--K BIDEN flags from their garages while their grandkids ride tricycles underneath them??
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 10:56:10 (permalink)
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So, just curious but when there's a discrepancy like that who pulls the trigger on the protester arrests?  How is that arranged and organized?   Is it like a decision that the local police chiefs and corporals make because they're all liberals or does Obama himself pick up the red telephone and call it in??
 

 
Beats me, LDD. Jewish protesters protesting a Jewish Senator. Apparently a Democrat United States Senator who is the Senate Majority Leader pulls more weight than a Conservative Republican Supreme Court judge. Who knew?
 


I believe it's more a matter of one group following the rules for peaceful protest, and the other fighting with police.  Being obnoxious and shouting foul language that many find objectionable is protected speech.  It may be approaching the line of illegality, may be morally repugnant to many, but it's protected by our constitution.  The individual that made terroristic threats to Kavanaugh was arrested.
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Protesting in front of a Supreme Court justice of the United States residence may not be protected, peaceful or otherwise, according to this.
Title 19, Section 1507 of the US code.

"If someone offers you a breath mint, take it.
 
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 11:16:35 (permalink)
Bigfoot:  I think you meant to cite Title 18.  And yes, if the protesters are found to be violating the conditions set forth in that law, they would be subject to arrest.  
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 13:00:16 (permalink)
Jordan did worse today than yesterday. Republicans sure know how to govern. 🤣
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 16:24:55 (permalink)
How many rounds did it take McCarthy? Like 15 or 16 or something like that? And he had to sell his soul to finally win over the crazies like gaetz. I really really really would love to hear the pitch that Jordan is making to the holdouts.

Seriously though how many board republicans are blaming democrats for this? raise your hands.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 17:32:02 (permalink)
Ya that's the newest talking point. It's the Democrats fault McCarthy was ousted. Like any Republican would've voted to save Pelosi if she needed them to. GOP has the majority and can't do anything with it. Whatta joke.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 17:44:06 (permalink)
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Bigfoot:  I think you meant to cite Title 18.  And yes, if the protesters are found to be violating the conditions set forth in that law, they would be subject to arrest.  

Thanks for the edit. Sometimes my finger doesn’t go where I want it to and I don’t notice that I made a mistake.

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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 19:47:05 (permalink)
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Ya that's the newest talking point. It's the Democrats fault McCarthy was ousted. Like any Republican would've voted to save Pelosi if she needed them to. GOP has the majority and can't do anything with it. Whatta joke.



It's pretty bad...they're going to have to do something soon...two carrier groups headed to the ME and the sitting president of the US in a war zone to try to calm matters down doesn't bode well for the near future... unprecedented in modern times. 
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/18 20:15:08 (permalink)
Do you think Biden will climb into the cockpit of a Navy fighter jet with a “Mission accomplished” banner in the background? I’m guessing if Trump were (not robbed of being POTUS), he would. Then have a military parade in DC.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/19 06:10:45 (permalink)
Bidum can barely climb up a flight of stairs LOL and he also has never accomplished anything other than making him and his crime family wealthy
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/19 10:06:23 (permalink)
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/19 10:45:56 (permalink)
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Interesting option:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/letters-editor-democrats-liz-cheney-175846185.html
 
 




That is...but, that would entail the house actually working together to get something done that makes sense.  Seems to be a stretch for them right now.  We can hope...
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/19 12:00:52 (permalink)
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Interesting option:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/letters-editor-democrats-liz-cheney-175846185.html
 
 




That is...but, that would entail the house actually working together to get something done that makes sense.  Seems to be a stretch for them right now.  We can hope...


House democrats have been pretty clear that they would support a compromise candidate, but only if there were some codified rules put in place. They aren’t gonna simply bail the house republican caucus out of this mess unless they have some incentive to do so.

I don’t think it’s gonna be somebody that isn’t currently an elected member of congress though.

It’s not looking good for Jordan. I think the most likely scenario might just be Mchenry, if they can get some bipartisan support to extend some of his powers. But I also don’t think that democrats are in any rush to do this. They are more than happy to let republicans embarrass themselves a while longer.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/10/19 12:06:19 (permalink)
Oops, I guess I should have checked the news before I responded to that. Jordan is officially out already.
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