to taper-I'm just asking about the one sentence
"now the bait-fish organization wants the freedom to catch fish in these maintained streams without doing any of the work or support needed. well, well, is'nt that convenient?"

its an odd thing to write. I believe in most TU project, bait fishermen ALREADY have the freedom to catch fish in maintained streams. I'm just not sure what YOU mean by that. it was a clearly a point, but I'm slow. sorry.

should bait fishermen NOT have the ability to fish them? why not? If it was a flyfishing group, maybe not. but TU isn't.

on the other hand TU projects Might All be on private, posted land, I just don't know. And Maybe ALL TU projects should be private-- only available to those who work on them.. then there's no doubt who deserves to fish them
-------
beyond that I have very little to say. I agree there's really no point in saying on top of this somewhat offensive post. As a forum we've gotten beyond A.L. offensive beginning post of the thread, at least, I thought we Did. A WHOLE LOT of people have said that they don't agree with the whole fly fishing versus bait debate. I agree and agree and agree. There's nothing wrong with ALL fly fishermen, but then theres nothing wrong with ALL bait fishermen either.

perhaps I would've stopped a couple days ago, but tapers joke caught me by suprise, and I joked back.

but today, with discussions of TU and this little comment from Taper- I realize that there's things I don't know and aren't making sense to me.

It seems that I've written the first, second, and third most confusing post in many months.. back to back. I won't quit my day job, then

I can ask how can you not get bored flipping 3" rapalas for 8 hours?

Spin fishing, I've got at least as many different types of lures to use as a fly fisherman has flies. If I want to amp up the challenge while spin fishing, I can do that too.

ORIGINAL: D-nymph

ORIGINAL: RhnstnCowboy
As for fly fishing in Pennsylvania, if I'm not in a tiny mountain stream chasing brookies, I don't see the need for it...

For me, and me only, it has nothing to do with the "need for it". It is probably often not the best tool for the job. But for me, and me only, it's not about the best tool for the job, it's about having fun. I like zoning out on the casting rhythmn, tying my own flies and streamers, using them to catch the fish. I like trying to take that less effective tool, using it to the best of my ability, (which often is lacking) and working a little harder for that sense of satisfaction. Catching fish not for the sake of catching as many as I can, but for catching them on MY terms. It's between me and the fish, not me and any other fishermen.

Sometimes less fish than a spin fishing partner, sometimes more fish, sometimes trout, sometimes bass, sometimes other species. It's just more fun, for "me". I like it.

What he said.....

ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter

ORIGINAL: topdog99

to be a fly snob-poser...

1. get a thousand dollar camera.
2. join the "drake"
3. start smoking the stinkiest cigar you can find..
4. be sure to pack at least 3 bottles of over priced skunky micro brews for pictures later in the day..
5. go to a native stream and pretend you belong there and at the same time drive hooks through the natives mouths...
6. take pics of the 5 inch native for 15 minutes while planning your internet "TR"..
7. take pics of your beer bottles..
8. take pics of your cigar..
9. yake pics of your dinner food.

and now...
10. post your TR on the drake and hope someone wants to be like you...

seriously... its weak
just sayin'

just my opinion..

no offense

hope this helps

This is the funniest thing I have read on here in a long time.  Even better that it is true

That says a heck of alot more about where this site is and has been for a few years than it does the Drake, amigo.

ORIGINAL: D-nymph
That says a heck of alot more about where this site is and has been for a few years than it does the Drake, amigo.

It says more about him than it does this site.

I have the biggest rod on this site.

No there are a lot more factors that require a more know how in order to catch a trout on flies. Did you read my post?
I'm not going to lie, there is almost no better bait for trout than worms thats just a fact.
Unless you have a hatch coming off in an evening, good luck outfishing me with flies if I have bait.
But I'd rather catch them on flies.

I don't know,Porktown. Do you know why I'm World Famous?..WF

ORIGINAL: World Famous

I don't know,Porktown. Do you know why I'm World Famous?..WF

You're not Ron Jeremy are you?

ORIGINAL: ubertracker

ORIGINAL: SevenMileShowcase

No there are a lot more factors that require a more know how in order to catch a trout on flies. Did you read my post?
I'm not going to lie, there is almost no better bait for trout than worms thats just a fact.
Unless you have a hatch coming off in an evening, good luck outfishing me with flies if I have bait.
But I'd rather catch them on flies.

Boy.. you just think your king turd on poop mountain dont you

Be better than a turd just floatin down the river.

ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

ORIGINAL: ubertracker

ORIGINAL: SevenMileShowcase

No there are a lot more factors that require a more know how in order to catch a trout on flies. Did you read my post?
I'm not going to lie, there is almost no better bait for trout than worms thats just a fact.
Unless you have a hatch coming off in an evening, good luck outfishing me with flies if I have bait.
But I'd rather catch them on flies.

Boy.. you just think your king turd on poop mountain dont you

Be better than a turd just floatin down the river.

I'll take your word for it

Clouser Minnows, Clouser crawfish, even buggers are pretty much the same, when it comes to river flyfishing, especially when free floating them. Heck, 90% of the Erie trib fly fishing is just using bait that is tied to your hook... Regardless, it's still fun if you are catching, and much easier to tie on a Clouser Craw than lift up rocks and try to find the live ones.

My boat is full of back cast interuptors, especially with little kids on board, or I'd use my fly gear more often. Can't say that I was as enthusiastic as some when I caught the fly bug. I had it pretty good for a few years though, pretty much abandoning every other technique. I mostly enjoy the catching on my own creation, more than the actual fishing with a fly rod, which isn't all that hard to learn, even double hauling can be pretty well mastered in a few months of practice. Hooking into a 10lb wiper on a fly is definitely fun, not sure if it is any more fun than a spinning rod though? I've gotten them both ways, fly and spin, on my own creations, so even that novelty has worn off a bit. A bunch of other fishing that I do, is too much of a hassle to do with a fly, although I've tried. I.e. night fishing close to shore line overhang, surf fishing (75% of the time the wind is just too much and am usually carrying a ton of gear & my 8wt doesn't fit in a sand spike so have to carry the whole time...), panfishing brush piles (sure some have the precision, I don't) or trolling which I have some sinking line, but doesn't really stay down and you get to that point you are forcing a round peg into a square hole... Kind of cool the first time getting the sense of accomplishment to make a fly rod do something it really isn't designed to do, but I'd rather fish water deeper than 15' deep or in thick cover with something made to do that type of fishing. Of course, I could strap a load of lumber on my wife's Jeep with a specially made lumber carrier, or I could just use my truck...

To me, it is all fishing. If you haven't tried fly fishing, you are missing out on a very enjoyable form of fishing. For those that only fly fish, you too are missing out.

Especially now that fishing time is much more limited for me, I tend to go the route that RhnstnCowboy says, and try to match the best tool for the job at hand. But I totally understand why others would not.

I can't tell if you're serious or being sarcastic but I don't think I care much either way.

hey noobs, until you have been here for awhile, read what these guys talk about and get to know them. you may learn something.

glad to see your parents taught you some manners. i never have been in a hot tub, don't smoke nor drink and instead of porn, i read scripture. you got a problem with that? btw, i have known many of these guys for years, these old farts, and they are some of the nicest guys i have ever been priveleged to fish with.

if i might suggest, come to the one fly and meet some of these guys. i think you might enjoy yourself and also change your opinion. it is a pretty nice gathering.