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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 14:13:02 (permalink)
They are supposed to come back in the near future to trap net muskys. No doubt what they net will take my breath away, as did the walleyes.
I agree...money making propaganda with the pictures.
We shall see.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 15:29:20 (permalink)
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Just thought of this interesting little tid bit from the response that the fish commission sent me.

Brian A. Ensign| Fisheries Biologist – Area 2
Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission
172 Fish Hatchery Lane | Tionesta, PA 16353
Phone: (814) 755-3890 | Fax: (814) 755-3452
Email: bensign@pa.gov

Let me know what you find out about the missing stocking information Brock
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 15:40:06 (permalink)
A friend of mine had a pond about 50x50'....mostly full of Bass and a few Crappie....there were days you could catch 20 Bass.....there were days you caught 2.....go figure.....and that was only 50x50 !
So when you look at a lake miles long......it's a challenge.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 15:49:19 (permalink)
Is that it?

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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 16:01:16 (permalink)
Indeed it is a challenge.
Maybe I don't know what I'm doing either as far as fishing.
I can accept that.
I had a pond, many years ago, that I could fish on any given evening, and catch at least one nice bass.
And then there was nothing, and I thought, something is wrong.
A few days later......everything was floating.
Algae bloom killed them all.
My point is....maybe I don't know the right methods or baits to use like I did in the past to catch fish there? But tell me if the deck is stacked against me, as in.....how many gizzard shad am I competing against.
48% of the fish population like in 2010?
Hmmmm.....
I'm glad the biologists are finally assessing the lake so I'll know.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 19:29:46 (permalink)
Mike do you think there might be truth in the PFBC attempting to create fish specific lakes, beginning in the 90s?

How many years was Wilhelm open before we saw the Shad explosion?

I've fished Wilhelm since it was opened and I don't recall ever seeing or smelling the massive schools of shad such as I have, since the late 90s.

Hell, I fished 'above the logs' before electric motors were permitted and I never saw shad until the past several years and they are huge!!

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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 20:15:13 (permalink)
BTDT I'm not sure I follow you as far as creating fish specific lakes?
 
I never realized how big the shad get until this year.
 
 
 
 
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 20:28:15 (permalink)
As far as stocking, Wilhelm was pegged as a primary Bass fishery, Shenango Hybrids, Pymie Walleye, etc.

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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/08 22:29:49 (permalink)
That's it MD....I see nothing for Walleye stocking in 2017 ??????? Wonder why?
 
Pymy gets 4-6 million Walleye every year and I have no problem with that, but there are several other local lakes around that get fished steady and I'm sure more Walleye stockings would be welcome .
 
Yea I'm saying fishing is tough in a large body of water normally, and when the baitfish explode in population we are screwed even more. Even the best fishermen get skunked .....ask all the Walleye tournament guys last year at Pymy.......lots of shutouts that day !
 
I've read where some states have had better results stocking every other year. Doesn't create as much feeding competition for fingerlings.
 
Soon as it warms a bit I'm casting plugs till the water is foaming up !
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/09 08:52:00 (permalink)
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Indeed it is a challenge.
Maybe I don't know what I'm doing either as far as fishing.
I can accept that.
I had a pond, many years ago, that I could fish on any given evening, and catch at least one nice bass.
And then there was nothing, and I thought, something is wrong.
A few days later......everything was floating.
Algae bloom killed them all.
My point is....maybe I don't know the right methods or baits to use like I did in the past to catch fish there? But tell me if the deck is stacked against me, as in.....how many gizzard shad am I competing against.
48% of the fish population like in 2010?
Hmmmm.....
I'm glad the biologists are finally assessing the lake so I'll know.

 
 
Blame a fellow angler, who dumped the stupid gizzard shad into the lake. Nothing is worse than a local yokel, who thinks he is a biologist.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/09 09:21:17 (permalink)
PSU are you certain it was a "local yokel" or a "fellow angler" and not  biologist???    Wait....!!!! What, gotta run, email comin' in from FishUSA sumpthin's on sale!!!
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/09 15:57:55 (permalink)
Yes I heard that from the fish commission too.....somebody dumped their minnow bucket in the in the lake or somebody thought the lake needed them.
Could be or the eggs just coulda hitched a ride on the waterfowl.
However they got there, they are there and now we'll just have to wait and see how many and if the PFBC has a plan other than to say over and over, "All we need is one good hard winter!"
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/09 17:59:35 (permalink)
If you read up on Shad they all don't die off especially the bigger ones. Problem is they start to adapt more and more to cold water. I seen a bunch of big Shad dead up at Pymy a few years ago in late April they were all 10-14" size and some were barely alive and swimming on the surface. Had to be 25-30 carcasses lying along the shoreline. I actually foul hooked a few while plugging for Musky. Why they were dying off that late is unknown to me. Seagulls and Muskrats were happy !  
 
Shenango Lake still has huge concentrations of Shad, some years more than others. The Hybrid Stripers , Ospreys and Eagles love em !  
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/09 18:03:07 (permalink)
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Yes I heard that from the fish commission too.....somebody dumped their minnow bucket in the in the lake or somebody thought the lake needed them.
Could be or the eggs just coulda hitched a ride on the waterfowl.
However they got there, they are there and now we'll just have to wait and see how many and if the PFBC has a plan other than to say over and over, "All we need is one good hard winter!"


I m starting to believe that you are part of the group that believes the world is flat.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/09 18:28:36 (permalink)
If the shad are results of fisherman can you believe the enormous schools of Fathead Minnows there must be swimming in the area lakes? My gosh the ducks would be walking on the fishes backs. Wait...... What?

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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/09 20:26:31 (permalink)
BTDT, you got that right. Over the past 55 or some odd years that I've been fishin' on my own, I've personally stocked several thousand fatheads into the Allegheny River. (You know, fishin' sucks, dump the bait bucket and go home). (Though this year, at $20 plus a pound for fatheads, I'll try to keep 'em for a few days if possible).  
Tonight, my son is at the monthly meeting of the 3 Rivers Musky Club, and their guest speaker is the head of the fish commission. My boy says he's gonna try and put him on the spot about stocking and the warm water fishery. (The only good thing for trout is Musky bait)! We'll see how that goes.

Never try to argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/10 08:10:25 (permalink)
The Fathead Minnow’s original range in Pennsylvania included the Appalachian Mountains and west. Today, this species is distributed statewide and appears most often in small, still waterways and slow-moving streams
http://www.fishandboat.com/Fish/PennsylvaniaFishes/GalleryPennsylvaniaFishes/Pages/CarpsandMinnows.aspx
 
 
No harm, no foul by dumping out fatheads, unless they aren't really fathead minnows.
 
 
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/10 09:28:29 (permalink)
We would always dump out our bait buckets near the docks at the end of the day. Several times Bass , Pike and whatever would dart out from underneath and enjoy a fast meal ! ....lol
They learn quick where to get a free lunch.
 
Most bait shops buy bait from registered distributers . About the only odd fish I've ever found in a bought bait bucket are baby size Catfish . Although some people still trap and seine for minnows they could dump in odd fish like Shad over the years. Remember when a live Piranha was caught in Pymy a few years back....they won't live in cold overall, but somebody tossed it in. 
 
I'm wondering how long before Gobies end up in our inland lakes or streams ? You know it's coming.      
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/15 20:19:46 (permalink)
PSU
The only thing worse than than a 'local yokel' who thinks he is a biologist, is a biologist who thinks he knows it all.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/15 21:11:54 (permalink)
"The hierarchy of biological organization. From ecology to molecular biology, the science of biology studies them all. Biology is the science of life. ... Biologists study the structure, function, growth, origin, evolution and distribution of living organisms."

Then a biologist gets employed by the PFBC and tries changing everything to their way of liking.

That's some scary stuff.......

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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/16 16:11:35 (permalink)
 I trust the PFBC biologist more than anybody on here.....just saying
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/16 23:26:22 (permalink)
Mopars.... psssst Mopars my side is in.😃

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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/17 11:35:45 (permalink)
Sounds good bud 👍.. leaving Thursday morning for the Richmond NASCAR Race this weekend hope it stops snowing here by the time we get back .... lol

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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/17 11:35:45 (permalink)
what the heck is all this double posting or is it something I’m doing ?? It is getting old !
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/17 20:33:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby crappiefisher 2018/04/17 20:38:15
ALL HAIL THE TREE HUGGING BIOLOGISTS!!!!!

I'm guessing PSU Fish is a biologist, or is closely related to one.

Rather than stay on topic?
He or she chooses to remind me that the world is round.

PSU FISH SAID:
"I m starting to believe that you are part of the group that believes the world is flat."

4 year degree but no common sense to hear us 'local yokels'.

That's fine PSU FISH.
Fall in line and question nothing little lamb
Wow
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/18 07:10:34 (permalink)
Soooooo Mike, tell us, how do you feel about Biologist?  lol   
 
I myself, like them..... to be working some place else, besides the PFBC & PGC but that's me, just being me. 
 
Sumpthin else too, when attending a school of higher education, do not look for any courses called "using common sense" or "thinking outside the bubble" as they just do not exist. 
 
New moto:  "HISTORY DOESN'T MATTER".
 
Anyways, and on another subject,  what is that dead fish??  

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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/18 09:04:33 (permalink)
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ALL HAIL THE TREE HUGGING BIOLOGISTS!!!!!

I'm guessing PSU Fish is a biologist, or is closely related to one.

Rather than stay on topic?
He or she chooses to remind me that the world is round.

PSU FISH SAID:
"I m starting to believe that you are part of the group that believes the world is flat."

4 year degree but no common sense to hear us 'local yokels'.

That's fine PSU FISH.
Fall in line and question nothing little lamb
Wow

 
A Fish Biologist, I am not. Nobody in my family works for PFBC. But during my time at Dear Old State, I have taken Limnology courses, as well as several other courses directly related to biology, soils, water and natural resources.
 
I trust the opinions of those who work day to day in the field of over a weekend warrior, who likes deny the facts in front of him. Contrary to popular beliefs, the PFBC staff is not against you. They cannot make up for the fact, you are a subpar angler.
 
They did not dump in the Gizzard Shads. More than likely, some shmuck fished Shenango or Pymy and brought them to Wilhlem.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/18 09:34:12 (permalink)
 Dead fish is a Shad.
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/18 09:42:22 (permalink)
Can't sit still for that lame excuse of some angler dumping his bait bucket for being the excuse of Wilhelm, or any other local waterway, being so polluted with shad. It dumping bait buckets were the reason, Wilhelm would have been (a.) overrun by shad well before it was, (b.) the ducks at Wilhelm would be walking on the backs of Fatheads.

The proof is in the pudding and one only need to study the history of each lake to see how they have been changed from what they were compared to what they are. You want facts, Wilhelm has in the past three years made a terriffic turn around, going back to being what it was, prior to efforts of making it a trophy bass fishery. That's a fact that is in the history of the lake and not some wet dream, written in biologist reports.

Biologist have their place, just not at the top of the food chain.

The PFBC needs to leave the chemistry to MotherNature, until such time MotherNature might need help, and get back to enforcement.

It's not nice, to fool MotherNature!
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Re: LAKE WILHELM 2018 2018/04/18 14:40:36 (permalink)
Really don't know what yinz what? To carpet-bomb the lake with poison,and kill everything in the lake and start over? PFBC did not stock the gizzard shads. A local idiot emptied his bait bucket into the lake. The lake was built in 1971 it went till early 2000s? until there was a Gizzard Shad problem? Gee, I wonder why? Illegally introduced, and they upset the established ecosystem. Now here we are in 2018, and the lake as reached a equilibrium. When a equilibrium as been met, guess what happens?
 
Stability = Growth.
 
No wonder D-nymph and Porktown go around and around with you, cause you are so obtuse.
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