Porktown
I had only listened to the whole hour recently. I would just hope that any person that is looking to honestly debate or really cares about this country would take the time to listen. Trump makes his case, his attorneys make their case and the GA officials make their case. It really comes down to which ones are telling and accepting the truth. If Trump and his attorneys are lying and spreading those lies, they go to prison. If the GA officials are lying, they go to prison. It really is that simple to me. Anyone that continues to support the side that is lying after is 100% anti-American.

Very insightful but non the less in many cases such as this I am in the humble opinion that it’s often hard to separate fact from fiction.
Personally, I wish he didn’t have to go through another one of these dog and pony shows. All the drama that has surrounded this man for so long from the impeachments till now must be taking a toll on him. I genuinely find it hard not to have empathy for him.
Guilty or not guilty whatever the verdict I hope that justice is ultimately served.

bigfoot
Very insightful but non the less in many cases such as this I am in the humble opinion that it’s often hard to separate fact from fiction.
Personally, I wish he didn’t have to go through another one of these dog and pony shows. All the drama that has surrounded this man for so long from the impeachments till now must be taking a toll on him. I genuinely find it hard not to have empathy for him.
Guilty or not guilty whatever the verdict I hope that justice is ultimately served.

If people lie in court, regardless of side, there are consequences. There are 2.5 years of evidence that has been sifted through to determine if something was illegal. Lie on the news or other, it is freedom of speech. I could care less about the porn star lying, although that scandal would have ended any other politician’s career in the past. I get why they brought it for violating campaign finance laws, but really means nothing to me in terms of Trump being anti American or not.

This GA and the Federal Jan 6 trials are 100% about saving democracy in this country and likely all western society. It is all about which side is lying. Are the Dems and deep state setting up Trump and weaponizing the FBI? Or has Trump been peddling lies about the election and many other things? If Trump shows the state is lying and there really is a deep state that was out to get him, it is a game changer for the country. He wins the presidency in a landslide and likely never again a Dem president. I would definitely take that porn star case as another hit job on him.

Trump makes 99% of the drama and lives off of it. Hard to really feel bad for him. He was doing it in the 80s with Ivanka (not Melania) and the NY tabloids, why any of us even knew the guy in the first place and why he made half the money that he did. He was basically a “Kardashian” of his time and his persona sold most things for him.

No doubt the Dems pushed full force on him for everything. And no doubt it is exhausting. But he made himself a pretty easy target for most if not all of it. Most issues have him taped, email record or other petty solid record of doing what he is accused of... I.e. sucking up to Putin on the world stage, accepting meetings with Russian agents who had dirt on Hillary, withholding funding to Ukraine for them to investigate Hunter, taking highly classified material, now trying to overturn an election. Whether he was set up or not on some of this is really his only defense. That would be what the deep state argument is. It is about time that it is uncovered that he was always set up and provide some proof in a court setting.

If any other politician has this much dirt on them with recordings, emails, going on the world stage and saying live, I would hope they would be scrutinized not only by the opposing party, but everyone. Regardless of who they are, their policies or their supporters. We are all Americans, most on this board are family first people (or God first), fishing close behind, friends, work and probably somewhere around watching football or car racing is where politics really matters to them. At least policy and real politics. But somehow social media, 24 hour “news” and other media has us at each others throats telling us the complete opposite, is “the truth”…

bigfoot

I am in the humble opinion that it’s often hard to separate fact from fiction.

These idiots took notes on a criminal conspiracy.

There are text messages, recorded phone calls, payment records… plus a bunch slimy co-conspirators have no doubt flipped and offered up evidence against him. I don’t think it’s gonna be that hard.

5 years minimum under RICO in GA.

MyWar

JM2
https://www.cnbc.com/2023...e-years-in-prison.html

The indictment from yesterday is in the state of Georgia. It’s not a federal charge. And it’s a state with a Republican governor, and republican control over pretty much all statewide politics. It’s not “Biden’s DOJ” or those goddess liberals in New York. It’s Georgia. Is Biden pulling Kemp’s strings?

Also do you remember 2016 trump rallies during which he would lead thousands of people in rabid chants of “lock her up”? And not a single trump zombie ever cared when it was pointed out that it was putin wannabe banana republic dictator sh1t?

Fanni Willis, Fulton County DA, Democrat.
 
Alvin Bragg, Manhattan DA, Democrat.
 
Letitia James, NY State, AG, Democrat.
 
James, and I believe also Bragg ran their election campaigns with the promise of going after Trump.
 
If you believe all the crap that has been going on with Trump over the last seven years is not purely politically motivated, then I believe you have much in common with the junior Senator from your state.

All of these grand jury investigations started prior to him announcing his candidacy, so the political motivation argument doesn't hold water.  If it did, any criminal under investigation could just announce he is running for xx office, and claim the same.

JM2

MyWar

JM2
https://www.cnbc.com/2023...e-years-in-prison.html

The indictment from yesterday is in the state of Georgia. It’s not a federal charge. And it’s a state with a Republican governor, and republican control over pretty much all statewide politics. It’s not “Biden’s DOJ” or those goddess liberals in New York. It’s Georgia. Is Biden pulling Kemp’s strings?

Also do you remember 2016 trump rallies during which he would lead thousands of people in rabid chants of “lock her up”? And not a single trump zombie ever cared when it was pointed out that it was putin wannabe banana republic dictator sh1t?

Fanni Willis, Fulton County DA, Democrat.
 
Alvin Bragg, Manhattan DA, Democrat.
 
Letitia James, NY State, AG, Democrat.
 
James, and I believe also Bragg ran their election campaigns with the promise of going after Trump.
 
If you believe all the crap that has been going on with Trump over the last seven years is not purely politically motivated, then I believe you have much in common with the junior Senator from your state.

And oh yea, you didn’t care about “politically motivated” investigations when hilary Clinton as the subject of them. And I’m guessing you also don’t care when Hunter Biden is the subject of them either.

So I guess cry me a river and maybe I can pull a couple smallies out of it.

I know this is playing out here as usual, those for Trump and those against him. But I have a real question - what about the grand jury?

I'm by no means well versed in law, but was the grand jury who indicted him, unanimous? (Does that even matter?) Wasn't this a jury selected of the general public, who went through the vetting process, determined that there was enough evidence/probable cause that Trump and others committed a crime? How does politics play into a Grand Jury decision?

Are you guys angry about the jury in general? Do you not believe it or think that the jury was tampered with? Are you angry the charges were there in the first place, but ok with the decision? 

I've seen so much him and haw about politically motivated this and that - and nothing about how this actually happened.

Keep in mind that a grand jury hears absolutely 0 evidence from the accused and his/her defense; only from the prosecution and its witnesses. 
 
There is an old adage in law that states "a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich".
 
This has been agreed to by no less than emeritus law professors Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley, (both staunch Democrats) that the Georgia case won't get anywhere for years once 19 defendants and un-indicted co-conspirators begin to organize a defense and begin filing motions. The Fulton Co. DA set a trial date for the day before Super Tuesday '24, a date which will not ever be met, but do you think it's just a coincidence that she wants a trial on one of the most important days in a national election, or is it really political motivation? Coincidences are extremely rare, therefore I don't believe in them.
 
Former FED prosecutors who have prosecuted RICO cases have stated it will take 2 or more years to get ready for trial. 

EMitch
Former FED prosecutors who have prosecuted RICO cases have stated it will take 2 or more years to get ready for trial. 

Better hope Trump makes bail. Otherwise he could be sitting in jail for a long time waiting for trial lol.

Alright so then by these responses, those against don't buy into the grand jury, because they didn't hear the defense side. 

So when this goes to trial, if a jury finds the defendants guilty - would anyone have an issue with that?

One thing is for sure. Trump will sail through GOP primaries, just as the deep state planned.

MyWar

Better hope Trump makes bail. Otherwise he could be sitting in jail for a long time waiting for trial lol.

Much of this is already election interference and Trump's been harpin' on it daily. Surely you can't think they'd deny him bail and keep him off the trail forthwith. If they did, he'd win the election from his cell without campaigning. The polls of people who believe this is mostly political are rising in Trumps' favor. I haven't even heard if they finger printed him and did a mugshot? Surely we should have heard. Maybe I missed it.
 

EMitch
The polls of people who believe this is mostly political are rising in Trumps' favor. 

Which equals about 35% of the overall vote and won't surpass it ever.  Enough to win the primary, will get embarrassed in the general.  This country is becoming more and more suburban.  Suburban women can't stand Trump.  His favorability is at an all time low among that group and drops every time he opens his mouth about "stolen election".  He won't win any contested states and likely lose many "red" states again.  If anything could call out deep state, it would be how they are pushing for Trump to win the primary.
 

EMitch
I haven't even heard if they finger printed him and did a mugshot? Surely we should have heard. Maybe I missed it.
 

The GA deadline to turn himself (all defendants in the case) is next Friday.  None have, so no fingerprints and mugshots.  
  

bigfoot
From what I gather, the more Mr Trump gets indicted, the more support he seems to gather from Republicans. I think that’s going to backfire on them. If he ends up being the republicans nominee for president, I think we gonna have another Democrat in the White House for another 4 years . I don’t think that he can gather enough support from the independents to win.

Depends what you mean by win. He will win, just like he did in 2020. He will win in the amount of money he can raise from his fixed income campaign contributors. He will win on the amount of Trump merchandise sold. So much winning.

EMitch

pensfan1

If tRump is found guilty , The cultists will go so berserk , it'll make Jan 6th look like a Disney princess tea party.

And if Trump is not found guilty, the Progressives will riot in the streets and we'll go to civil war. That's how polarized and galvanized the two sides are. Much of this division was created by the media that for years only gives one side of the issues. With all the other issues facing us, (ie: China, Russia, the Ukraine war, economy, inflation, cost of living etc., and an upcoming national election, you might think that another subject could take center stage, but it's just not to be.

I think you might have confused the 2 sides. But hey, whatever kind of false comparisons you wanna make. 🤷‍♂️.