EHD is not restricted entirely to small wetlands and mudholes and can be transmitted long distances through its host,  In this study a EHD outbreaks spread from Georgia all the way to New Jersey and could be linked back to a single strain of EHD not sure if you can access this or not. http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/reprint/42/3/616

oh so, 18 deer in 120 hours in a tree is a lot ??  Think about that ..  That's 1 deer per 6 hours.    Doesn't sound too plentiful to me.  The state forest I hunt gets hit just as hard as anywhere else that's public. DPSM here has been met, DMAP allocations have been stabilized.  Peace out good ol' days.

Thank goodness for logging here.  If not, we'd be able to see 150 yards in every direction.  There'd be yearling does and scrubby bucks only, and not a lot of them.  Gotta love that thick stuff.

It is us...the hunters...who are decimating our deer heard.  We must regulate ourselves and not shoot a deer for every tag we purchase.  The PGC will continue to allocate high numbers of anterless tags for the revenue.  If we...the hunters...want more deer then we need to shoot fewer deer.  

Bings--- What are you suggesting---surely not that cutting down all the trees to let a little sunshine in will promote regeneration- --don't you know that it is those mean old deer that are preventing the seedlings from sprouting in the mature forest--- sunshine isn't needed----that's why the farmers like to plant their crops in the woods. I am glad to hear that you are cutting a large enough section so the deer can eat a few sprouts and still get good regeneration. Usually only a few acres get cut and then the DCNR ****es because what few deer are in the area flock to the only spot of sunshine for miles.

77-78 had a bad winter. The snow fall was huge and many animals died because of the brutal weather.

I remember that winter.  We had a drift that went over our house.  Cut us off from seeing anything towards the road.  Funny thing is, that day, school wasn't cancelled but we couldn't even see the bus.  They said it looked like our house disappeared.  It had.  Rough winter for sure.




I gotta say, though, 1983 started a real bad trend for the deer in NWPA.  

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Slate you seem to hate logging so dam much . Start wiping your **** with plastic. See how that feels. You obviously understand as much about logging and forest regeneration as you do about deer management. Read a little on the subject you might be surprised and get a little educated.

 
Because I think clear cuts are ugly I hate logging?  How do you make this sense work?  Are you a PGC employee? 
 
As far as logging goes, I don't have much problem with it, except I think clear cuts are the most ugly thing you can do to a mountain other than a strip mine operation.
 
As far as clear cuts go, I don't have any research, but I am thinking they are absolutely horrible for the streams around them.  Lots of silt and warmer water, which is the absolute worst thing that can happen to a stream.  Last time I checked, streams are part of the environment that all of this clear cutting is helping.

  Never said the clear cuts were any where near the streams. The government would never let that happen in the ANF. Logging is so regulated on government property you legally can't take a **** on your own log landing. I have to pressure wash my equipment before I can even unload it on ANF soil. Just in case there are any foreign materials there.
 
  .I've personally done over 600 acres of clear cuts in my career. Never done one over a stream. They always left a buffer so there is no siltation or harm done to the stream. But that is just my personal research..
 
 

Listen, I have hunted the Manastee National Forest in Michagan for several years and they go in and clear cut a 500 x 500 yard area right in the middle of the forest.  And like majic the next year it is covered with knee high oak brush in 4 years it is 5 to 6 foot tall and you cant see through it.  we push these cuts and the deer are thick in them.  They run around and do not easily come out.  I was told that as the cuts get older, they bring foresters in to Cull the less favorable trees and leave the ones that appear more healthy....and the circle of life continues.
 
 

We have a couple large clearcuts here that are about 40 years old.  I'm told a few of them were to stop the spread of diease.  I don't what.   At this age, there are pretty much worthless, other than transition areas.  They're relatively open but for some reason, the deer are more likely to use them than open woods for traveling.  The old blowdowns make for tough walking for us but do provide a little bit of cover for the deer.
 
Ultimately, the biggest downfall of clearcuts for deer here, is that the cuts are destroying mountain laurel (they clear it ALL out), a deers #1 sanctuary.  It's seems as if most of trees regrowing in these older cuts are poplar.

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ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz

Slate,
What part of this can't you understand?  The PGC has been reducing Antlerless allocations.  This is from a 2006 news release.


2G allocations - (2004; 52,000)  (2005; 52,000)  (2006; 19,000)  (2007; 26,000)
3A allocations - (2004; 32,000)  (2005; 32,000)  (2006; 29,000)  (2007; 29,000)
 

Did you read what you posted?  26,000 is greater than 19,000.  That indicated an increase in doe tag allotment to me in an area that was already hurting.  Are you doing PGC math?

 
Yes, but it is still half of what it was in 04 and 05 and only a small increase from 06.  The PGC didn't get the kill they wanted in 06 so they adjusted the allocations accordingly.  How hard is that to understand?  From some of your other ramblings, I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Just my two cents! PGC should definetely change the doe season back to 3 days. Any serious hunter should be able to harvest a doe in one of the big game seasons (archery, muzzleloader, rifle, etc.). I'm not saying we should see 80 deer a day while hunting but it would be nice to see more than 2 while putting on drives with 8 guys all day. It's unbelievable how many days I hunted in archery in Northern Butler County and didn't see a deer and sometimes 2. I have food plots on my private property and we still are only seeing a couple deer a day there. This season combined is a "If it's brown it's down season" for many guys still! I can't stand seeing deer laying dead because there racks are to small and doe running or should I say limping around from guys shooting in the open fields at them not having good clean shots. I think the antler restriction is a great idea I have 4 mounts on the wall and hope to continue harvesting trophy deer. I know you can't eat the antlers but while I sit in my cabin looking at the natures beauty appreciating all the hard work I put into hunting to accomplish such wonderful trophies I cant see why anyone is against antler restrictions (Unless your wives won't allow you to hang a dead deer on your wall). I think the biggest problem with the PGC is that they are understaffed! There are so many outlaws shooting deer and not tagging them, shooting at deer in fields and not tracking them (if they dont fall they think they missed them), shooting illegal buck. I have and will continue to report every single person that illegally kills a deer!!!!!!!!!! If hunters (good sportsman) would take a stand for themselves and turn in the poachers, not shoot doe where their not seeing deer, leave the small buck for next year, TAKE A KID HUNTING! LET THEM SHOOT THE DOE AND SMALL BUCK SO THIS SPORT LIVES! I hear guys complaining about the small older bucks SO WHAT find a kid get their interest and let them shoot the small one! I've come to the conclusion that if you want to harvest a deer then do so it's really not that hard! I've harvested 3 doe in 2B and a 10 point in Northrn Butler yes on the 1st. day in the rain and by 10:00 AM. I spent alot of time archery hunting and scouting and knew my chances were good as usual the first day. This wasn't the biggest buck in the area I hunt but it was nice. 3 of the 4 mounts on my wall came before the antler restrictions and 1 after which by the way is the biggest. 2 9 points and 2 10 points is what I have mounted. I've seen many bucks each year that were legal shooters but with the antler restrictions I know there are much larger ones so I wait. It's a real shame that there aren't more areas to hunt in Allegheny County because there are so many deer here. YES it's over populated and there are monster bucks here. The big bucks are very elusive even in areas in Allegheny county where the deer are easier to hunt due to the normal noise and smell of people, dogs, cars, etc. I've climbed a ladder stand with deer 10 yards away that never left.
 
I don't think we should buy doe tags and not send them in. I think they will allocate more when they do there estimated deer population and see that there are still too many deer.
 
My thoughts Buy a tag, Fill it out, and write Nothing Harvested Because There Are None To Harvest Thanks To Your Agency!!!!! CHANGE THE DOE SEASON TO 3 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!See what they think about that!!!!
 
HUNTERS IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF HUNTING STOP TAKING THE DOE UNLESS YOUR AREAS ARE LOADED WITH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
IF HUNTERS WOULD GO TO THE PGC MEETINGS THINGS COULD BE CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!

RIGHT ON CENTER ; For all who hunt up northern parts or wherever your not seeing deer i FEEL for you. Maybe drive around find road workers,construction,police,PGC, basically anybody that works outside. and ask them if they have been seeing deer around you might be surprised. Or drive around spotting and looking for new areas to hunt and ask for permission. I know it sounds like I'm being a smart arse but thats how to find deer most times. I just happen to lucky too find some incredible places to hunt. Went to do some second archery season scouting and seen four different herds of deer on a 100 acer farm i hunt. All herds had at least ten to fifteen deer ALL DOES 1 buck a real nice shooter. two other places i hunt also seen a lot of does and a few fair to nice bucks 1 monster buck. Hope to see him come the 26th.  Have a good X-MAS NEW YEARS  AND  good luck to second season hunters      DAVE