I can answwer that one... as RSB stated the new law will allow a tree stand to stay after the hunter has left the woods..

The old "rule of thumb" was you had to take out what ever you carried in...

so as soon as you leave the game lands what ever you left behind could be considered littering...

You honestly did not know that ??? amazing !!!!

I guess I was allowing my age to show == it's an expression I was brought up understanding.. sorry you did not know what it meant...

A rule of thumb is a principle with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation.

No, I'm not a violator and don't hunt deer from tree stands on Game Lands. I do occasionally walk through to look at the destruction from wells and timbering from years past. I own and post property and manage my own deer herd. As far as being paranoid think whatever you want. It's ashame what the PGC has turned into.

ORIGINAL: RSB

ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures

CID# is exactly what you said, so the PGC knows who it belongs to. Trust me you don't want to let them know who the owner is by your CDI#. PGC can then fine you for even the slightest violation like if it happens to break the bark on the tree even it it occurs from the wind blowing and rubbing the bark off.If The PGC sees someone carrying a stand first thing they ask for is the persons ID. Drivers license, etc.What about a friend removing a stand for physically challenged friend or what ever? Do you really think someone who is stealing a stand would give you their CDI# ? The person who does not remove their stand off of GLs in the time allocated will be subject to a fine. Betting the fine is more than the replacement cost of the stand. Another reason not to put your CDI# on it. How about a ground blind does the same laws apply to ground blinds as well ? Ever wonder why less people are hunting now of days. Maybe perhaps the are just getting fed up !!!

ORIGINAL: RSB

ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures

A CDI# is so the PGC can identify the owner. Any type of identification is substantial for proving it belongs to you. Your initials only is proof enough for prosecution.I would identify with initials and last four digits of SS #. This type of ID is better because it not limited to PA. I would contact the state police before the PGC on this issue in case of theft. Past experience with the PGC has left me high and dry. A big waste of time.

I don’t care if it doesn’t have any identification on it. It was only a suggestion because when we encounter someone carrying a stand out of the woods and the CID number doesn’t match we could probably prevent a person from loosing their property. If it doesn’t have something we can quickly call in to determine ownership then it will be assumed to belong to the person in possession of it.
 
People who don’t have any reason to hide their identity around their hunting site would probably benefit from having their equipment marked with some form of easily traced identification.
 
Those that leave their stand up on the game lands outside the two week periods on each end of the season will have it removed by the Game Commission. Then they can either call to get it back or it will be surrendered as abandoned equipment.
 
R.S. Bodenhorn

You don’t seem to get it.
 
In the past it was always illegal to leave a tree stand or a blind on the game lands if the WCO wanted to pursue it as litter, which it actually qualifies as when a person places it and leaves it.
 
The new law is actually what now allows a person to LEGALLY leave their tree stand and avoid the possibility of being charged as long as they stay within that law.
 
There is nothing that allows a person to leave a blind on the game lands but I suspect most WCOs will treat it much the same as they would a tree stand in allowing it to be there. The one difference I can see would be the difference in which section of law to use if they don’t remove it.
 
From your posts I have to figure you are either extremely paranoid or a violator. Most honest people aren’t afraid of the laws or the enforcement officers.
 
For the record your license has a CID (Customer Identification Number) instead of a CDI number.
 
Oh, and I almost forgot. Yes, you can damage a dead tree though I suspect it would take more to cause damage and the value of the tree you had to pay for would be less.
 
R.S. Bodenhorn

I leave my ladder stand on the private property that I hunt all year round.  I do, however, pull the roof, skirt, blind, seat, etc. and take home.  Because of the weather this winter -- ice, crusted snow, extreme mud, extreme wind, I have not been able to get into where it is to remove any of that without risk of injury.  Had this stand been on a SGL under the new rule, I would be in violation.
 
I don't care about the rule one way or another because it does not affect me, just pointing out that there may be circumstances beyond one's control that may lead to the stand being left in past the removal deadline.

sorry to backtrack but if someone is using your stand when you get to it, cant you just say "im here to take it down"?

you know the rules going in so don't complain if you get caught breaking the law.  same as shooting before or after hours, take the chance, pay the price.

No I'm not confused at all. In the "past" RSB said if your stand that was left behind it could be considered litter even overnight.I replied that no judge would agree to this old reg. A stand left for a day or so considered litter. Get Real ! The PGC has some very strange regs that always seem to favor themselves. This new tree stand laws allows the hunter to put a stand in only 2 weeks prior and must remove at end of season or lose your stand and be fined if identified. Hunters are loosing their use of State land little by little. Like I said this is only the beginning. Permits will soon be required to enter and use the Game Lands. The PGC should if anything be more hunter friendly if anything in these challenging times. As license sale continue to drop the PGC should do all they can promote new sales. Many families are hard hit due to the shape the economy is in but yet the PGC continues to spend millions on a new building for their employees in Franklin then cry broke. The PGC has grown into a big business rather than an agencies protecting and managing game. It's a joke how we have two separate agencies such as the fish commission and the game commission. It needs to be combined into one as most other states have. Maybe game management should be contracted out to an independent agencies. Take a look at the expenditures for last year. Unbelievable spending for a year when most barley have money keep afloat. The PGC is out of control. Now they can help themselves to your stand if left behind. Then what happens to it ? You guessed it, $ money in their pocket !!

Exactly !! Just another vague law as the PGC has so many. The PGC laws have way too many loop holes. Might be considered litter might not be. ??????? Why should a judge decide ? Many WCO's know this and in some cases the odds are in their favor as the person will not sacrifice a day off work and drive a fair distance to have their day in front of the local magistrate. 9 out of 10 times the magistrate will see the WCO's side.After all there neighbors and the WCO voted them in. Don't believe that ?? Think again. Then the person must take it to county court and most can't simply afford to do this and simply pay the fine. When a violation is black and white then by all means the accused should pay the fine. But when these chicken **** laws come into play it's totally ridiculous what the PGC gets away with. Last years report said that only 6 complaints were filed against WCO's. I personally know of 11 but the PGC has a different way of keeping tract of them. Go figure ....

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"In the 'past' RSB said if your stand that was left behind it could be considered litter even overnight"  Key words being "could be", not "definitely is"

i dont see a problem with the law, how hard is it to take a stand out at the end of the season or on the last day that you'll be hunting the area?  The whole someone else can use it is kind of a "get real" situation but i'm willing to bet that if you can prove it's your stand most guys will get out of it.

Most of the time a stand is placed when the weather is good in early season. At season's end the weather is usually much worse due to snow amounts and ice. Removing a ladder stand is no easy task as requires help. Some guys that hunt the late season just don't have the help to remove a stand because many are done hunting for the year and don't make the trip to camp or where ever. Leaving a stand in over winter doesn't hurt a thing. All this new tree stand law does is limit the hunter to use of the game lands. I know many that have placed stands on both public and private property and have never had a problem with a user getting out and letting the owner use or take their stand. Most of the tree stand issues are that some hunters have had problems of WCO's following their tracks though to snow to observe them and disturb their hunt while in a tree stand. Once again I see no advantages only disadvantages to this new tree stand law.

ORIGINAL: heyiknowyou

i dont see a problem with the law, how hard is it to take a stand out at the end of the season or on the last day that you'll be hunting the area?  The whole someone else can use it is kind of a "get real" situation but i'm willing to bet that if you can prove it's your stand most guys will get out of it.

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Most of the time a stand is placed when the weather is good in early season. At season's end the weather is usually much worse due to snow amounts and ice. Removing a ladder stand is no easy task as requires help. Some guys that hunt the late season just don't have the help to remove a stand because many are done hunting for the year and don't make the trip to camp or where ever. Leaving a stand in over winter doesn't hurt a thing. All this new tree stand law does is limit the hunter to use of the game lands. I know many that have placed stands on both public and private property and have never had a problem with a user getting out and letting the owner use or take their stand. Most of the tree stand issues are that some hunters have had problems of WCO's following their tracks though to snow to observe them and disturb their hunt while in a tree stand. Once again I see no advantages only disadvantages to this new tree stand law.

ORIGINAL: heyiknowyou

i dont see a problem with the law, how hard is it to take a stand out at the end of the season or on the last day that you'll be hunting the area?  The whole someone else can use it is kind of a "get real" situation but i'm willing to bet that if you can prove it's your stand most guys will get out of it.

 
Perhaps you aren’t able to understand many things about life and how things work? So, I will try to explain a few basic principles of life and reality to you. Maybe you will then get it, but I really doubt it since it certainly appears that you just don’t want to or try very hard to get it.
 
First of all in the normal progressions of life problems come before solutions. It works that way in laws and regulations too. Once a problem is identified there is either a law or a regulation structured to solve the problem.
 
In this case the Commission had been getting a lot of complains about hunters leaving stand in place and thus staking a claim to an area of public land. The Game Commission took a very serious look at passing a regulation that would require ALL stands, blinds, etc. to be removed at the end of each day. That is actually what many hunters were pushing for. A questionnaire was sent out to the field officers seeking input on much of a problem it was and what direction we thought should be taken to address the complaints and problem, but it appeared there was a considerable interest in making it illegal to leave a stand over night that would require stands being removed after each day’ hunt.
 
Some of us recognized and argued the point that such a regulation would have an adverse affect on those that hunt far back in the most rugged and remote areas where we really need the highest deer harvests. I know I will load a stand up on a cart and bicycle and take it several miles back into a remote area if I can leave it over night but if I can’t and have to bring the stand out each night I simply will not go back there to hunt, or at least not very often. So, the Game Commission decided to allow stands being left out through out the season.
 
But, if hunters aren’t smart enough accept this regulation as a major benefit to them, and one that not all hunters agree with, then the next step in that normal progression would be to simply require all stands and blinds be removed at the end of each day and make it unlawful if a hunters leave their stand over night.
 
Would that type of regulation have made it more clear and easier for guys like you to understand since you obviously find a regulation that benefits the hunter not to your liking?
 
R.S. Bodenhorn

So where is the MAJOR benefit? A person can still put a stand in,claim an area all season and then do it again the next season. Most hunter's can take care of business themselves and don't cry to the PGC that someone is in their spot so I don't believe this decision was made because of a few complaints. I think that perhaps more people other than me simply don't understand life and how things work as you have stated. Many simply don't understand the ways of the PGC and have chosen to quite hunting and find another sport. The PGC seems to have this attitude it's our way or the highway. Many have taken the highway and more will follow.The PGC is ranked first as being the most disliked of the fish and game agencies in the US. I encourage all who think as I do to contact your state legislators and express your views.

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Most of the time a stand is placed when the weather is good in early season. At season's end the weather is usually much worse due to snow amounts and ice. Removing a ladder stand is no easy task as requires help. Some guys that hunt the late season just don't have the help to remove a stand because many are done hunting for the year and don't make the trip to camp or where ever. Leaving a stand in over winter doesn't hurt a thing. All this new tree stand law does is limit the hunter to use of the game lands. I know many that have placed stands on both public and private property and have never had a problem with a user getting out and letting the owner use or take their stand. Most of the tree stand issues are that some hunters have had problems of WCO's following their tracks though to snow to observe them and disturb their hunt while in a tree stand. Once again I see no advantages only disadvantages to this new tree stand law.

ORIGINAL: heyiknowyou

i dont see a problem with the law, how hard is it to take a stand out at the end of the season or on the last day that you'll be hunting the area?  The whole someone else can use it is kind of a "get real" situation but i'm willing to bet that if you can prove it's your stand most guys will get out of it.

Perhaps you aren’t able to understand many things about life and how things work? So, I will try to explain a few basic principles of life and reality to you. Maybe you will then get it, but I really doubt it since it certainly appears that you just don’t want to or try very hard to get it.
 
First of all in the normal progressions of life problems come before solutions. It works that way in laws and regulations too. Once a problem is identified there is either a law or a regulation structured to solve the problem.
 
In this case the Commission had been getting a lot of complains about hunters leaving stand in place and thus staking a claim to an area of public land. The Game Commission took a very serious look at passing a regulation that would require ALL stands, blinds, etc. to be removed at the end of each day. That is actually what many hunters were pushing for. A questionnaire was sent out to the field officers seeking input on much of a problem it was and what direction we thought should be taken to address the complaints and problem, but it appeared there was a considerable interest in making it illegal to leave a stand over night that would require stands being removed after each day’ hunt.
 
Some of us recognized and argued the point that such a regulation would have an adverse affect on those that hunt far back in the most rugged and remote areas where we really need the highest deer harvests. I know I will load a stand up on a cart and bicycle and take it several miles back into a remote area if I can leave it over night but if I can’t and have to bring the stand out each night I simply will not go back there to hunt, or at least not very often. So, the Game Commission decided to allow stands being left out through out the season.
 
But, if hunters aren’t smart enough accept this regulation as a major benefit to them, and one that not all hunters agree with, then the next step in that normal progression would be to simply require all stands and blinds be removed at the end of each day and make it unlawful if a hunters leave their stand over night.
 
Would that type of regulation have made it more clear and easier for guys like you to understand since you obviously find a regulation that benefits the hunter not to your liking?
 
R.S. Bodenhorn

I agree DR.T if (you ,I) choose to stand hunt on SGL it is beneficial not to have to lug it in and out each day. Last year on private land hunted archery and rifle moved stand 7 times through out both the seasons to keep up with the movement of the deer ended up taking an exceptional long beard, and large 10 point. I would have been exhausted to carry stand in and out each and every time I was in there. This issue is I believe about the hunters ethics as a whole. respect others plain and simple. 

Iron..

It's in the USP's = FACTS AND GUIDE BOOK... ...

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Iron..

It's in the USP's = FACTS AND GUIDE BOOK... ...

 
Doc,
 
Since I don't follow all this sportsman's club stuff, can you explain the difference between the USP that you reference above and the PFSC that you seem to be a member of?