The roads are built on games lands, that the sportsman bought.The PCG does not "BUILD" roads.They gave permission for the gas company put in the wells and suck out the gas for their bank account. The property that the roads where built on belongs to the sportsman. The gas company can use the roads,the WCO's can use the roads, but the handicapped Sportsman that payed for the land cant get a permit to get his deer out.As for the number of law suits I can post more and more ways the PGC waste money. The Pa sportsman has had enough and are fighting back just like the American people with our government.The PGC is a big political sess pool.

ORIGINAL: SonofZ3

In two posts you've mentioned the same single suit with the PGC. Anything else, or do you want to expound on the only case you know of some more?

The end of your posts makes an allusion to "the number of serious lawsuits against the PGC at any given time" but doesn't give a number. But by saying that it must mean that there ARE a large number of serious lawsuits right? Thats like me saying "The real issue of course isn't what Outdoor Adventures says, but the number of deer he poaches every year" and then failing to provide any evidence that you poach deer. Talk about sneaky.

Again, anything other than hearsay about the PGC building roads for private companies?

looks like the PGC has more fans then we thought.........

ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures

I have hunted other states that the law on baiting was very clear and WV where baiting is allowed. In my 6 years of hunting WV I only seen bait in the woods once. I choose not to hunt over bait but saw no problems with it. I can say this they had more respect for their fish and game then we have here.I also never herd about their fish and game being sued for $33 million from illegal action from their fish and game like here. I think the PGC likes confusion. I think they need to do a major overhaul and reorganize. They are like money hungry politicians only looking out for what benefits them $$$. I never had a state cop pull me over just to check my driver license but had a WCO stop me many times and check my license for no reason. A lot are sneaky and dirty and try to find a violation. Their hate club continues to grow. The PGC can push over timber and bulldoze a road to put in a gas well. The gas company can use the road and the WCO's and deputies use the road as well. A handicapped person can not get permission to retrieve a deer by using the road for which his license payed for, he must drag it out. Whats wrong with this picture. What's my beef? Should I continue?

 
Just because someone makes allegations and/or files a lawsuit doesn’t mean the allegations are founded or truthful. Nor, does it mean the court will find any wrong doing on the part of the officers.
 
The courts all across this Nation though HAVE ruled that hunting is a highly regulated activity and as such the hunting license can be checked to assure that it is legal license and actually the property of the person possessing it. We frequently find the license isn’t legal (such as a non-resident with a resident license, someone with a borrowed license or with a license with no valid tag for the big game they are hunting).
 
Usually those gas wells and roads you are complaining about occurred because the Game Commission doesn’t own the minerals under the surface and is thus powerless to prevent the mineral owners from recovering their property. They do have to pay for the surface, meet other environmental standards of legality and eventually return the damaged areas to wildlife suitability as best it can be.
 
As for opening roads the Game Commission opens many of its roads during the various hunting seasons and especially the deer season. Some roads aren’t opened for a number of reasons. Some roads can’t withstand the excessive vehicle travel without causing excessive damage that would cost hunter monies to repair. For every hunter that wants more roads open there is another hunter that wants fewer roads open so the Game Commission has to balance those hunter requests and demands. There are still a lot of hunters that want to hunt along some of those roads without having vehicles driving back and forth past them all day by hunters road hunting or just driving into recover dead game. There are already hundreds of thousands of forested roads crossing public lands that are open to motor vehicles. Anyone with limited physical ability can certainly find a suitable hunting area to match his or her hunting ability. The Game Commission even has roads that are only open to disabled hunters and others that allow disabled hunters to use an ATV to gain access. But, some areas DO need to be closed to motor vehicles so other license holders can also have a quality hunt instead of just catering to those that want to or even need to drive everywhere they go.
 
R.S. Bodenhorn

ORIGINAL: tippecanoe

ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures

looks like the PGC has more fans then we thought.........

WE?

We... translates to, my imaginary friend and myself in fantasy land....

Maybe it's his imaginary friend feeding him all this nonsense

thought you quit again dude?

Sounds like a silly law suit... BUT throwing F bombs at one's mother would be fightin words...

Hey Michael Savage of the hunting world,

Now that's funny.....


It's intersting he refers to an article he wrote but gives no link or name so we can read the article for ourselves .... !!!!!



and as so often is the case === it is == ONE SIDE OF THE TRUE STORY !!!!

got mad and said I was going to quit.. but decided to stay and speak my mind....

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I'm waiting to see if he will say who he is and post a link to the article so we can read it for ourselves...If you post an article you are supposed to give the author credit for the article....

you know there are writers out there that love to threaten law suits againt message boards and those who run them if they get too much anti replies or post things without their permission......

Doc wrote=got mad and said I was going to quit..

He does that a lot

you mean slinsky the snake is among us or is there more snakes in the grass?  oops, did I say his name?
 
oh well, it is going to take more than usp drivel to convince me....

Lets see, I have been accused of being paid off,made fun of for my writing skills, been insulted and called names, accused of making up false websites to name a few. Is this what you BOYS do when the facts are in front of you and you wont accept them? You Boys got some class let me tell ya !!

I can tell by the amount of editing you do.

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

made fun of for my writing skills,

Join the club, I get that all the time....

But I do not claim to be a writer either though...

Better read it again jr.(The PGC can push over timber and bulldoze a road to put in a gas well.) Do you think the gas company did this on their own without the PGC approving it. WRONG ! The game commission owns the mineral rights and only profits from the 3 wells it has on the land. They also gave a gas company permission to knock down more trees and to run a gas line through the same game lands from private wells. The PGC collects lease money for this. Now timber is marked to be cut and once again more money in the pockets of the PGC. This is only on one tract of game land that I'm talking about. What does the PGC do with all the monies that are collected from these wells and timber sales? Perhaps the PGC needs to take a closer look at their spendings such as the $40,000.00+ Ford Expeditions that some WCO's drive.The PGC is a mess lets hope they can get it together.I encourage all that have a problem with them to contact the PGC headquarters in Harrisburgh and your local state rep as well. To have a WCO pull you over for no reason is crap. A state police officer can't due this.They are out of control. NEED MORE FACTS ?????????????

I know because I was there when these procedures stated. I also know the owner of the gas company. This game land was trashed. Which was once timber is now roads and wells. Do you think the timber will be given away for free? As far as wanting drilling on game lands I think it is up to the sportsman to decide not the money hungry commision. Sportman's license and fines payed for the land and god knows PGC writes a lot of chicken sh**t fines. I hope the Pa gas and timber commission can get on tract. Don't be afraid and voice your opinion to the new group running this commission.

Typical Slimesky and USP bull...

just keep talking === blah..blah.. blah..

avoid answering the questions so someone can research and see how much of your stuff is pure bull and opinions... not facts...

No, I need the facts for that. Where is this game land? How do you know the PGC owns the mineral rights?

what game land ???

It will take me about an hour to get all the facts about the drilling there ...

is that so hard to answer.... or are you afraid some of us will do research and find that once again you're full of it.... just your usual negative personality and anti PGC and anti-hunting rhetoric