tired of it

I don't know any locals on here that try to discourage anyone from fishing when conditions are "good", go back to lurking.

-Tim

hey there cheech...

Gettin in where I fit in...

ORIGINAL: JT14

You know what I have been a "lurker" on this board for a while and have finally decided to say something. 

It seems like everytime I log in there is a bashing about the mupers coming up to fish... 


feel free to make your ridicoulous rebuttles now.

Well I guess I'll throw my two cents in on this one. (just had to) I've been a "contributor" to this forum for some time now and I've fished Erie for quite a few years also. Yes there has been some times where there have been some questionable threads  but you really have to sort out the good from the bad of which in reality there really is not a whole lot of (bad). Just look at the recent rains this weekend - I don't think anyone has given a report that was questionable. In fact if you compare the rain totals recorded to the reports - they were right on. Once again, and this has been brought up before - someone who travels to this watershed to chase steel is best to do their homework by checking the stream gauges, weather reports, ect. before investing the time and $ into making the ride. This forum is just one more tool that can be used. Personally, I have a 6 1/2 hour drive to get to this fishery and I know in the weeks leading up to making my drive, I'm doing allot more homework on my own - not just relying on this site. I also know that there are many folks on here that I know I can just send out a pm to and know I will get an honest report. Personally I think you may be a little off base here. Just my own ridiculous rebuttal though.

One more thing (had to edit this one more time) - on the economy thing, there has been allot of talk on this fishery adding so much to the economy of Erie. While this is true, I believe the town of Erie would do just fine if this fishery were not available. The folks who live and work in Erie are very resilient and hard working and besides -  there is so much more to Erie than the steelhead fishing. I know my wife and I have traveled there many times in the past (out of season) and have created many happy memories. There has not been one time where I have traveled to this fine town and have been treated with any type of disrespect.
 
Now - back to the tying bench.

Most of the reports about the weather conditions are the usually the ones that are reliable.  It is hard to fib about the weather, but for anyone who knows anything about Erie county well knows that weather here is very variable depending on where you are in the county.  It can be sunny and nice in Erie and near blizzard conditions are going on just 5 miles down the road.  An example of this was yesterday.  I was on upper Peach street near the mall.  Up there it was raining and the wind was whipping.  By the time I go home in southern Erie county it was not raining and there was little or no wind.

The point here is conditions reported will vary depending on where the report is located.  Conditions can change in the course of the day.  A stream may be fine in the morning and blown out in the afternoon.  Ice can melt over a day or two and the water open up in one section of the stream, but other sections are completely unfishable.  So what do you want in a report?  Without some basic knowledge of the region, you may end up coming to find the area you like to fish is not what  you expected.

Also, when it comes to rain and creek conditions, it is not as simple as rain = water in the streams = lots of fish.  Temperature of the water makes a difference, the length of daylight, time of  year, etc... are equally important.  I would bet that most people new to the sport will be ready hop in the car and drive to Erie because we got some rain.  I would be willing to bet some fish came in with this rain, but I would be also willing to beat the big run everyone wants to be here for will happen later in the fall. 

Lastly, the backlash against locals who are being accused of basically lying is not appreciated.  Most people are willing to help, but it is not helpful to give the information that people want to hear instead of giving a more realistic report.  Do you honestly think someone who is going to ride 4 hours to fish would appreciate it if they arrived to fish and found the conditions were not acceptable?  If they do, the locals would be accused of lying.  I guess some cannot win no matter what they say.

I think "tired of it" needs a hug and a pick me up bouquet. And maybe some MIDOL. Just my two cents.

If I was an Erie local(which I sometimes wonder), the last place you'd see me is in here whining about "muperes".  And everyone who knows me, would know where to find me!

JT keep lurking,sooner or later you will know who to trust,
We will always have buttheads that will try to throw us off for some unseen reason there are lots of fish to go around....

Dude you should have just stayed a lurker. As for this time of year you know there will be some fish all you can do is watch the weather and stream gauges and try to make a decision from there. I found that there are a good many locals that will help you out on here just ask.

I drive 6-7 hours one way and have never been disappointed by any of the reports on here, but I weigh all the information and then make my decision as to go or not. I have never had a bad day fishing so it really is not such a big deal. Mostly my biggist determining factor is the bank account, if I can't afford to make the trip it doesn't matter what the conditions are. But in the end it is really just common sense, and how well you use it.

Driving a bit of fall/winter fishing tourism was at the top of the agenda when the steelhead program started.....Erie does have problems.  The demographics are so lousy, Erie folks have enough trouble paying their winter propane heating bills.  That town needs all of the out of town cash it can get.

ORIGINAL: JT14

 It seems like everytime I log in there is a bashing about the mupers coming up to fish

Show me one...just one....thread or post that shows "mupere bashing". There AIN'T ANY! We ("the locals") have accepted long ago people will travel from all over the world to fish here. None of us are hiding fish in our pockets or rain in the basement.

The locals have given accurate reports on weather, conditions, and fish locations. You've gotten up to the minute, honest information. Bottom line...there isn't alot TO report. There are some fish in lower walnut and lower elk....there are a few fish cruising the shorelines at the other tribs. Till we get ALOT of rain and COLDER temps....that IS the report.

Now.... you can call me a liar or basher if ya want...but it is what it is. Come on mup!

Well MR JT14   If your tired of it I guess we won't be seeing your bright cheery face around here anymore

A lot of the reports issue revolves around what a person expects.  Reports are usually a person's experience.  That can vary as much as the people who are fishing.

I will say, that in the past, early and late season fishing did not get the pressure that I have experienced in the last couple of years.  This time before the big runs was a time many locals would get out for a little fishing before the onslaught of the fishing season.  Some locals still try to guard this time because they know that once the word gets out that steelies are around the stream mouths the hoards of fisherman will be heading up.  I honestly cannot blame people for that.  Once the season begins there will be fish in the streams.  What will determine a person's success are the conditions.

For the record, if you come to fish for steelies from mid to late October to early to mid April, there are usually a good number of fish in the streams.  Your success will depend on your skill level and the conditions.  That is it.  If the streams are blown out, don't expect to catch much.  If the streams are low and gin clear, don't expect to catch much.  The best time to fish is when the water is falling and has some color, usually a dark green.  There really is no other information that you need. 

Im tired of this too.

JT ya gotta figure out whats what on here or you aint gonna make it.

delete before we get more pages of this post please.