Bats on the Yough

The bats eat about 5000 bugs per night each. When the bats fly close to you, just remember they are eating the bugs that are trying to eat you. Just stay still! LOL!

In Dawson at the fairgrounds, they have bat boxes that have many bats in them. They are on poles about 18-20 feet high, quite the sight when they come out by the hundreds.

you have a better chance of dying in a plane accidnet then getting rabies from a bat. bats are less likely to carry rabies then your very own dog.  So just because that guys had Dr. I dont know where hes getting his facts. 

Kyker... open mouth insert foot
 
By the way aren't you going in the service???

Dr. Doom why do u bold the****/b] stuff ?

I don't want to stir the pot anymore than it needs.  But one must consider that bat bites can be subtle and you may never know that you have been bitten by one while sleeping.  The average person probably has a minimal chance of contating the disease, but it alway better to be safe than sorry. 

Cohoking,
Thank you for a well thought out response. Its comforting to see that some are still capable of such. Your arguments are all relatively sound. You are correct "bat strain" does not mean that the bat acted as the final vector for the human contraction. All bat strain actually means is that it is a strain of the rabies virus most commonly found in bats. If that strain was only capable of infecting bats then we wouldnt even be having this conversation. Clearly this strain can infect mammals in general. A cat, dog, horse, deer racoon etc. could all carry and transmit this strain. What is interesting and noteworthy though is that this strain most commonly found in bats has become the predominate strain observed.

Dog cases of rabies 140 for 01, and bats 1200, but none gave humans rabies. So the answer is you were just as likely do get rabies from a dog or bat (in 01), and more likely the strain was a bat strain found in a dog case.

In regards to your above statement I can understand how you come to that conclusion or could argue that the chances are the same but its not that simDog cases of rabies 140 for 01, and bats 1200, but none gave humans rabies. So the answer is you were just as likely do get rabies from a dog or bat (in 01), and more likely the strain was a bat strain found in a dog case. I will briefly explain why your wrong. First if we look just at the numbers of cases, not all cases but cases found and documented in dogs and bats (the actual number of cases is no doubt greater but its somewhat safe to assume that the documented cases give us a general idea of the trend of infection) regardless of the number of human infections we are looking at 140/dogs and 1200/bats. Considering just those numbers statistically, one would be 850% more likely to contract rabies from a bat as opposed to a dog. Whether or not human infections occured or didnt occur is irrelevant. Also you must ask what is considered human infection???? There is a big difference between exposure and what is considered confirmed documented infection, at least in regards to the data you mention. In wthe data you mention 0 human cases and I believe this means there were 0 cases of a human exhibiting the symptoms, which will result in death, of a rabies infection. If a person doesnt believe they were exposed and is advised medically that they have no reason for concern, or doesnt seek medical advise, and they go onto to develop symptoms and die then and only then do you have a documented human case of rabies. If they do the same and dont exhibit symptoms and continue to live a healthy life well obviously this is not a documented case of rabies either. Then there could be the person who may have been exposed to and animal that may have been carrying the rabies virus. You see there are a lot of maybes here. In this case if the the person seeks medical advise and is vaccinated as a precaution thhis person will also not develop symptoms or die and once again we obviously dont have a documented human case of rabies. In the editorial that I pasted above the CDC's position and raionale for such is explained.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now recommends postexposure rabies prophylaxis (PEP) when humans come into contact with bats, even when a bat bite or scratch is not acknowledged. These recommendations followed 2 cases of rabies in 1995.

Although I caution against reading to far into the data and only time will show the true effectiveness of these new procedures and recomendations, it can be argued that because of these recomendations and the resulting institution of new procedures, specifically the liberal use postexposure prophylaxis (PEP), the number of human cases and deaths in 2001 was 0. So if there was even a slight chance of exposure to and animal that may have been infected doctors are now treating patients with PEP thus severley reducing the possibility that those patients could go on to develop rabies and die.
Bclev is absolutely right! Im glad that if nothing else at least one person gets it. It even states in the above editorial:

We recently reported a case of a cryptic bat bite.[4] A 37-year-old female went into her bathroom in the dark and felt something brush against her upper buttocks. She turned on the bathroom lights and observed a bat escaping through the open bathroom window. She scrutinized her skin and found no mark. She then called her physician for reassurance. Her physician was not reassuring. He requested she come to his office first thing in the morning to be examined. The next day, her physician examined the area of possible contact and initially saw nothing unusual. He then examined the same area with his otoscope (6× magnification) and found 2 pinpoint punctures about 2cm apart. The patient was given PEP, (which would have been indicated even if he had not found the marks).

So if I was fishing and a bat flew into me and flew off with no testing possible on the bat to determine whether it was carrying the virus or not I sure as hell would get a vaccination (or a booster). Like Bclev said better to be safe than sorry.
As far as the plane thing goes it is not a simple question to answer, although many people in this example and in many many other unrelated examples do try and simplify the statistics to make a point. If you fly frequently and never spend time outdoors and there are no bats around your house etc. yeah a plane crash could be more likely. I would argue that if your outdoors alot fishing hunting etc. especially night fishing, and in an area with a high bat density (just bats not considering any other vectors) for many many hours repeatedly your chances of rabies exposure a greater. But hey the only way to know is to be exposed to a bat that may potentially be carrying the virus and not seek PEP, then just wait and see if you live or die. Its up to you either way is completely fine although with the vaccine being readily available I dont know why any one would choose not to get vaccinated after potential exposure. To each his own. So I hope I've clarified my point and I hope you can see why I'm right.
In regards to my comments toward kyler I have absolutely no oppologies. If he must embrace his own ignorance and let it guide him through life so be it, hopefully it is only he who shall bear the consequences. But when he feels the need to preach his ignorance to others and suggest that they discard sound advice in exchange for his assanine mumblings he needs to be put in his place. If he wants to risk his life, fine thats his decision but if he trys to persuade others to follow him like a blind goat of off a cliff then everyone who knows better and doesnt speak up is just as dumb and blind as he. If because of his ignorance he chooses to step into the ring with me by challenging my statements and discrediting the facts he will lose. His comments were clearly the ones that were inappropriate. Like it or not I have no patience nor tolerance for such ignorance especially when it promotes false-truths that can have a negative impact on the lives of others.
Dr. Fotios

Who wants to be Itchy and who wants to be Scratchy?

oh in that case I should be dead by now from what your quote unquote facts say. only thing I can come up with now is YOUR PARANOID! saw thousands of bats last weekend at Dawson where Id say hazelbakers drops off 1000+ customers daily. and where he drops them off there are 15-20 bat houses. guessing since your afraid of a little guano you'd never been there. but many have. many have been fishing and hit with bats, removed bats from peoples houses and yet haven't even worried about Rabies.   but Im sure every science class you taught you made all your pupils gets shots for rabies.

Rats are effected by the plague there chief but its the fleas that give it to us.... oh no guess that means your dog is carrying the plague or is that another Lecture for another day


" In regards to my comments toward kyler I have absolutely no oppologies."

no need to oppologize its the apology that matters

I ate the worms in Mezcal and Dos Guiomos Tequilla but only had a few problems from it.

BLACK WALNUT EXTRACT LIQUID is an herbal remedy.

Crappy,
Are you serious about the worms?? If so that sucks. Im sorry to hear it. Alot of people have them and arent even aware of it. As far as the dog pills go, it would really depend on the pill or more specifically what the active chemical in the pill was. Theoretically speaking it may be possible but without knowing what the dog pill was it would be a really bad idea. Could make you deathly ill or worse. What pghmarty says is interesting, very interesting. Black walnut may very well be an herbal remedy. Im curious now and I want to look into it. Herbal based drugs are somewhat a specialty for me. Most of my work has been in regards to a specific herbal drug for malaria. Not so much the herbal drug itself but derivatives of it and chemicals structurally similiar and their activity against malaria and cancer.

http://www.naturesalternatives.com/herbs/blackwalnut.html

Try the capsules or liquid that also contains wormwood.
If I remember wormwood is he main ingredient in absenth and might make you hallucinate.
Or hallucinate more if you allready do.

http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&_trksid=m37&satitle=BLACK+WALNUT+EXTRACT+worms&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&fts=2&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=15210&sacqyop=ge&sacqy=&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1&fsoo=1

Not a witch doctor but try almost any herbal remedie before seeing a real doc.

Garlic is great for cleasing the blood.
My arm was swollen,hot and turning black after cuting it on my boat then going in the mon.
Garlick capsules and lots of raw garlic and other vitamins took care of the infection.

An ex of mine was a witch or practiced wicca or something.
Every time we had a disagreement she would turn a ring on her finger and mumble somthing while pointing at me.
She started crying when she saw me with a witchcraft spell book.

She knew I found out how to break the spell she had on me.
Tossed her useless azz out about a week later.

"You lould out to play yet?"
Nope see the judge in 2 weeks but probably still considered a threat to society till Oct or Nov.
Got 12 weeks of socialization classes coming up.
Great idea they have there.
Put a bunch of guys with attitude problems that like to fight or cause other chaos in one room.
Hope I get elected class president.

Pinky:"What are we going to do today Brain."
Brain: "Try to take over the world, same as every day.

LMFAO
 
Please don't lock this thread, this is good stuff!