A moderator where? your surely not acting like one from FishUsa Forums
And when did we keep SCORE as like you seem it was a game or something on our servicemens lives!!!
Just sickening to just think about that statement

ORIGINAL: T.T.

ORIGINAL: mikeg

After 911 happend people were complaining about the security issue not being strong enough. Now that they are making new laws to protect us, people will complain about it being too much...

The real shame of that thinking is that there are already enough laws on the books to keep most of us safe, but they don't get enforced.  New laws aren't always the answer. 

This is stupid, but just wait...  Next thing will be mandatory ****s for ALL passengers on ALL boats coming back from the lake, no matter how far out they went.  After that, the little chips in the neck.  1984 in the 21st century.

T.T you are right on on the Orwell 1984 thing I think most people should read this book. The similarities of today are frightening. What ever happened to if we lose our freedoms the terrorists win? I am more afraid of being in a orange jump suit at Guitanamo than being nabbed by a fellow with a laptop in a cave. On the first day of Pa buck season we have 1 million armed marksmen walking Pens woods. Red dawn should not happen here. The new world order globalists are turning everything into a prison planet. "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Ben Franklin.

I think most people should read this book.

It's sad that most people haven't the faintest clue what I referenced there.  You, sir, get a point for that one. 

The ideas are out there.  The idiocy is out there, too. 

Democracy only works if the government is kept in check by the people, not the other way around.  We failed 3 years ago, and we are going to fail again.  The best candidate in the running is backed by a political party out of control.  The Dems can't put up a moral person, and McCain owes his soul to the Republicans.  It's bad.  Real bad. 

A bit further away from fishing, eh?!?!?!?

 
dont tell me about history I fought for this country over in vietnam so guys like you can sit behind a computer desk and pretend to know the score!! you were dead wrong on this one.

 
If it wasnt for this guy we would all be speaking vietnamese right now.

"Hey, do we want our borders tightened up or not?  Its not about Canadians or Mexicans attacking us, its about terrorists who do their homework and know what the easiest ways to get into our country are.  Many of us complain that we need to secure ourselves first before we go to other countries and do things there.  Well, here's a perfect example of the govt trying to do that.  But we are so far removed from 9/11, that we have become desensitized to the horror of what happened.   
So we complain at the inconveniences of airport security checks, **** requirements, etc.  But if something did happen and terror struck again, we would be up in arms about the lack of security.  We can't have security without some sacrifice.  It's either American lives or minor inconveniences, you choose."
 
Worst thing I've read in this forum.
 
"Wait one second, so by your reasoning we give up our freedoms to have "security" . I think you better rethink that statment, enforce existing laws , dont create a nazi style "security acts" that let  a government trample your rights!!, but as long as you feel safe, until they need another disaster to justify a war !!!WAKE UP !!!! " 
 
Best thing I've read!
 
Giving up freedoms for so called "national security", NEVER.  Sadly they have most of you brainwashed/scared enough to do just that, give up freedom. 
 
MikeG,

Maybe you should read up on YOUR history.  We are heading down a VERY familiar path, a very scary one.
 
-Tim
 
 

It would be a different story if you fished out of Port Clinton , Michigan , Olcott , Niagra .... We're just fishermen surely they could just check you're state ID & fishing license ?????? I believe there may be some politics behind this to the name of $$$$$$ in one's pocket...... Our security is in the second amendment for now .... Unless big brother succeeds in removing that ; let em in we can solve the problem rather quickly 

I agree fisher.  I also think to myself and say the damage is already done. Not a single terrorist has to enter the country ever again. The people who lived thru and expearenced the terrorist attacks will always have a little fear and terror in their hearts and minds for the rest of their lives. In a way the terrorist have already won and continue to win every day because "we will never forget". 
 
I just hope and pray that our government does it right from now on so that the new generation of man kind will not have their hearts and minds tattooed with expearences of fear and terror. For these children are the new hope for a true freedom.
 
God bless our govt and help it make the right decissions. I have never ever met a perfect human being yet. I wasnt around when he was hung on the cross.

Good point! I never have from my own boat or a charter. I dont think the practice of these laws will effect a whole lot of people that fish from the U.S. soil. Like someone said when was the last time a charter captian from U.S. went to canadian waters to fish. The way the fuel prices are im lucky if i even get to the lake let alone take my boat to Canada.

The same people complaining about this are the same people that were complaining after 911 about security from our goverment.
 
 

Actually Mike, we have allowed freedoms to be taken from us by this administration through both the Patriot Act, and the NSA. This just isn't a case in point.

its a shame that it  you got people paying 500-900 for a charter to have a realxed fun time out on the water to begin with. now with all the pass port stuff cuz suspision of being terrorist its crazy. with fuel prices an the economy, i hope u guys(charters) out there can find a way to actualy make a buck.  the truth is its pro only gona get worst my kids, an there kids, will have to have pass ports just to get on lake erie!  an who know in this world ur neighbor might even be a terriorist. wat a world.

"The same people complaining about this are the same people that were complaining after 911 about security from our goverment"
 
Wouldn't have been me, I for one don't (and never did) believe "terrorists" had anything to do with 9/11 (but lets not even go there, for now)...  So homeland security is the last of my worries...

(que comments about me being a wack-job/nuts/paranoid/hippy/if I don't like it then I should get out... ect, lol)

-Tim

Mike, I understand about racial profiling.  However, the guys blowing up planes are not middle or upper class clean cut, Christian white males.  We would probably do a lot better at catching some of these undesirables if we did a little more racial profiling.  If nothing else, a few bad apples would show up and could be of valuable interest with information leading to the capture of other terrorist cells within the country.  I would have to think that somewhere exists a secret agency which has already thought about this and are tracking most "known" Muslims within the country.  These are just my opinions but I do believe them to be true and plausible.
 
I may get ripped a little for that, but before you do here is a little something to think about.  Let's say you have to fly from one destination to another.  A person of Middle Eastern heritige (total stranger to you) gets on the same plane.  What is the first thought that goes through your mind?  If you tell me that it does not have something to do with hijacking, I would bet you are either lying, Muslim, or of the same heritige.  And yes, I know Richard Reid was not of Middle Eastern persuasion, but he was Muslim in his affiliation

Gentlemen,
     For those of you who have never travelled abroad (or travelled with a broad) the showing of a **** is taken for granted almost everywhere.   If you have one it's no big deal.  Just get one and quit complaining.  As for following your boat.  They have radar, and other devices that let them know exactly where you are without actually seeing you, and most times they leave you alone.   BUT just take your boat out into the St. Lawrence and get close to a bigger boat (suspicious activity) and see who meets you at the dock.
     Personally I think I'd be more worried about the walk-across access presented by most of the border. That access is mostly used by orientals (in the west) and Pakastani's (in the east).  Just check how much boarder we have along New York to Maine.

LOL...No I don't think he looks like a terrorist, but the selection has nothing to do with appearances.