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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/26 17:10:09 (permalink)
I know what you mean on noting the primary and know you likely realized that you misspoke.  The primary is what just happened, only the far left and far right seem to show up for now days.  Why we end up with such horrible options.  Hopefully that process changes, our options seem to get worse every election.  
 
I have heard the same with the Red wave in the midterm.  I expect it to definitely happen in races where the candidates are not too far to the right and especially going against social dems.  Like said with Oz vs. Fetterman.  I'm rather confident that Oz will win if he is the candidate.  McCormick, possibly.  It really depends on how he would run the race.  I doubt most have the same distain for hedge fund managers, most that are set it and forget it in the market or don't have any piece of the pie, don't see how much of a scumbag hedge fund managers are.  I could care less if he were an Independent, talking every point of politics that I believed, I'd still never vote for any hedge fund manager.  Could be good at the political position.  I imagine in states like PA, where they expanded voting access, it will be up this November compared to most midterms.  Expanding voting so everyone can vote like our ex-president does, using an absentee ballot, is very popular now and has a lot more of the population voting.  Many say it is the best way to vote.  Maybe the greatest way to vote.  Others that don't want everyone voting, claim rigged...  
 
The far right toolbox running for governor would only have a chance if going against a far left nut job.  Shapiro isn't.  I would be surprised if it is within 10%.  Unless some major dirt is uncovered on Shapiro.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/26 17:14:18 (permalink)
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If Oz wins he will get the McCormick voters to vote for him what are they going to do vote for the socialist wack job Fetterman! And the opposite will happen if mcCormick wins he will get the OZ voters. There will be a red wave and it can't happen soon enough!!


There are more registered Dems than Reps in PA.  Both of them are going to need to carry the I's and some D's.  I can see Oz doing it.  Not very likely with McCormick.  Not a chance with the governor nutjob.


There are different theories on whether you win by pulling the independent swing voters, or you win by turning out the base.

In PA this fall, I would expect both parties to have pretty strong base turnout since it’s
a gubernatorial election too. I’m expecting close to presidential election turnout. So this one may come down to which candidates can win over more of those swing voters.

I’m skeptical about whether Oz can even run a proper campaign. Fetterman and Shapiro have both campaigned and won statewide elections. They know what goes into it. They know where to find capable, experienced people to work on their campaigns. Oz has absolutely no experience here. Even if he does have some legit appeal to voters, if he runs a shiit campaign and fails to get a coherent message out voters, he’s not going to connect with those swing voters he will need to win.

Mastriano has a little more experience in actual retail politics because he’s at least held elected office. but I think a general election campaign in a purple state is a lot different than anything he’s done before. If he could go the Glenn Youngkin route, he absolutely has a chance, but nothing I’ve seen from this guy indicates he’s capable of anything other than “rabid MAGA zombie”. And I don’t see that schtick picking up alot of PA swing voters either.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/26 17:23:50 (permalink)
You cherry picked fetterman's normal policy's googleagainst fracking,green new deal,no money for campaigns except form unions  Google  i them all then he doesn't smell right.Open borders,universal income, abortion on demand no matter when,medicare for all,single payer health system,easy on drug crime,he is a regular Bernie Sanders 2.0.more useless Gun control laws that won't be enforced like all the others,no school vouchers so a parent can get their kid out of a bad school,just money for the failing public school systems(TEACHERS UNIONS),CRT ect in schools.Yea he sure is an old time moderate democrat!! There are many more examples
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/26 17:55:36 (permalink)
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You cherry picked fetterman's normal policy's googleagainst fracking,green new deal,no money for campaigns except form unions  Google  i them all then he doesn't smell right.Open borders,universal income, abortion on demand no matter when,medicare for all,single payer health system,easy on drug crime,he is a regular Bernie Sanders 2.0.more useless Gun control laws that won't be enforced like all the others,no school vouchers so a parent can get their kid out of a bad school,just money for the failing public school systems(TEACHERS UNIONS),CRT ect in schools.Yea he sure is an old time moderate democrat!! There are many more examples


Quite a fever dream you got going there.  You call it cherry picking....well, It's not that, and it's definitely not regurgitation of unhinged right wing media memes and myths.  I'm simply going on what the candidate himself says.  Is that acceptable?  You know, the right-wingers are getting too far into the weeds in their attacks...being much too specific.  Just about every "policy" position you stated is easily refuted, but, you know, that isn't on Fetterman.  Perhaps you can show us evidence that he supports open borders, universal income, abortion on demand "whenever" or medicare for all... Hint:  you're not going to be able to as the candidate has carefully avoided dealing in such specifics.  
 
He'll beat OZ 60-40; the other guy 53-47.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/26 18:25:33 (permalink)
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In response to BorgCollective:
 
I am assuming this is a joke.  The "chased jogger with shotgun" story has been beat to death in nearly every profile and significant news release on Fetterman.  Also, if the point is that this episode is going to hurt his chances,  beg to differ.  This is supposed to reduce his appeal to the former Trump voters that he's courting?  I would think the exact opposite.  Couple things about Fetterman.  In spite of the Fox-news and right wing attempts to paint him as being some sort of ultra liberal, he is not.  Yeah, but that's the story that the GOP is going with, I understand.  What he is is what a typical Democrat used to be.  Pro-union, pro worker, pro expansion of affordable health care, etc.  What he will do is LEAN INTO those designations, not run from them, and that is his appeal...he comes off as authentic and wanting to help his constituents, especially those that may be having a tough go of it....you know....Trump voters.  I believe that this campaign will turn on the rather emotional issue of authenticity.  Fetterman's got it.  The carpet baggers not so much.  Which of the following two images is more disturbing to anyone reading this:  John Fetterman going on about raising wages, expanding health care or instituting more rational gun laws....or Mehmet Oz tweeting his affinity for shotguns.  One of them doesn't smell right to me.
 
To the MAGA-ites I ask this:  Which candidate seems more "drain the swampy?"  Fetterman or Oz?


This is a solid take.

In a political climate where “authenticity” is more important than actual policy positions, Fetterman has a distinct advantage over the reality TV snake oil guy.

Plus… All of the weed casualties, like the dudes I used to smoke up with back in the 90s, who have all taken the “being stoned as a lifestyle” path in life, are gonna be falling all over themselves to vote for him. I can’t imagine the pothead vote is going to be the difference in this election, but I’m a little bit curious as to how much of a factor it will be.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/26 18:35:43 (permalink)
I do believe he has publicly supported midicare for all/single payer/universal system. That isn’t really far left anymore. Considering that we spend more tax dollars per person in the USA on healthcare than most, if not all single payer countries. We aren’t getting nearly the same in return. I’m not calling for a universal system, but I’d really like to know where all of those tax dollars are going?

I think the answer is lining the pockets of politicians on both sides???
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/26 18:42:07 (permalink)
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You cherry picked fetterman's normal policy's googleagainst fracking,green new deal,no money for campaigns except form unions  Google  i them all then he doesn't smell right.Open borders,universal income, abortion on demand no matter when,medicare for all,single payer health system,easy on drug crime,he is a regular Bernie Sanders 2.0.more useless Gun control laws that won't be enforced like all the others,no school vouchers so a parent can get their kid out of a bad school,just money for the failing public school systems(TEACHERS UNIONS),CRT ect in schools.Yea he sure is an old time moderate democrat!! There are many more examples


This is THE most impressive display of right wing nutter, nonsensical, word salad gibberish that you have brewed up yet my friend. Bravo.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/27 06:39:47 (permalink)
Who cares what you think I surely don't.Everything I mentioned about Fetterman can easily be looked up if you really want to know his position on the subjects.If you don't want to know you just sputter off its rights wing nutter MAGA talk.right myidiot.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/28 08:44:52 (permalink)
There is a thread on Reddit where somebody asked for reactions and opinions from people that work in law enforcement, in regards to police response to the Uvalde shooting. Some very interesting responses.


https://www.reddit.com/r/...pp&utm_name=iossmf
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/28 20:44:59 (permalink)
What an actual nightmare this has been.

Some of the responses from Politicians too, my god. Someone needs to tell them, look, if you support gun rights, and want every baby to have a Browning 50 cal machine gun in the Womb, whatever, but don't talk just to talk. Say you feel awful and sad and something about the lord and yada yada, and let it be. Don't make this worse by just making things up. Have some kind of self respect. 
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/28 20:47:05 (permalink)
Also to be clear - everyone else should all be outraged at what transpired there. Questions need answers, and this thing gets worse by the minute it seems. 



 
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/05/29 12:37:47 (permalink)
Some crazy stories are coming out of there. I heard a report about a woman that got handcuffed by the cops, who then broke out of the handcuffs, jumped a fence, ran in and got her kid out of the school. Don’t know if it’s true or not.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/09 21:17:30 (permalink)
Holy smokes these Jan 6 hearings. Some of the capital security cameras are showing some insane things. 

This feels like one of those really important days in American History.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/09 22:54:29 (permalink)
You would think so... unless your one to think it's a kangaroo sham court, like Sean called it tonight.
The most disturbing footage so far was how rioters pushed that female officer over and onto the concrete steps. That's a woman and they beat the crap outta her!!
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/10 08:10:13 (permalink)
It was all planned to make Trump look bad, because he had mean tweets.  By the same party that has Joe Biden leading it.  The guy is a walking blunder, but yet has the power to have half of the former Trump administration, including his #2 in charge turn on him.  Makes complete sense.  
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/10 09:26:13 (permalink)
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It was all planned to make Trump look bad, because he had mean tweets.  By the same party that has Joe Biden leading it.  The guy is a walking blunder, but yet has the power to have half of the former Trump administration, including his #2 in charge turn on him.  Makes complete sense.  


As he said with sarcasm so thick you have to cut it with a chainsaw😁
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/10 10:25:43 (permalink)
I don’t think this is going to change anybody’s mind about trump or Jan 6 at this point. Maybe they are trying to persuade the handful of people that have yet to make their minds, or more likely they are trying to keep it in the public eye going into the midterms. Making republicans go on record might help motivate democrat voters to show up and vote in November.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/11 00:22:11 (permalink)
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Holy smokes these Jan 6 hearings. Some of the capital security cameras are showing some insane things. 

This feels like one of those really important days in American History.


These are not hearings. At a hearing, the opposition has a right to be represented. This is a dog and pony show created to hopefully bolster the 'Crats for the shellacking they know they're gonna get in the mid-terms. They hope to keep the peoples minds off all the other failings we're goin' through right now.

If you agree with the Progressive Democrats, that's freedom of speech. If you disagree, it's hate speech and racism.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/11 17:51:07 (permalink)
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Holy smokes these Jan 6 hearings. Some of the capital security cameras are showing some insane things. 

This feels like one of those really important days in American History.


These are not hearings. At a hearing, the opposition has a right to be represented.


A congressional hearing is just a session or a meeting where the general purpose is to gather information. Nobody is on trial here. There is no “opposition”, except the people who are lying or covering up what actually happened.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/11 19:07:46 (permalink)
Prices will come down eventually. Economies go up and down, thas just how it is. Maybe consider we just came out of a global pandemic? THE Fed gave money away for 2 years straight, for better or worse. Its time to pay that bill. Unless you wanna keep printing and giving it away? How long do you think we can keep that up? Democracy, on the other hand.... Once it's shattered, thas it. ALL the agencies told this toddler that widespread voter fraud was non-existent. No voting machines changing votes. No ballots magically appearing. No shredding of ballots. Like Barr said, it was total BS. He still insisted the opposite. He wanted the military to seize machines. He wanted to "run the whole election back". He even floated imposing martial law. That either makes him crazy or stupid. These hearings are going to lay out the path to possible criminal indictment. Why support a man that tried to stage a coup in the USA just because he lost the election? He kinda dug the idea of hanging his VP infront of the Capital Building, as his mob suggested. They built a gallows and noose for cripes sake. Like I said either crazy or stupid. I think he is a little of both. IMO.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/12 08:38:47 (permalink)
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Like Barr said, it was total BS.


This has come up again again, but one of the most striking things about Trump and the Trump era is the number of people that Trump has either thrown under the bus and/or the number of people that turned on him after working for him. I really believe the only way to interpret this is that it’s a characteristic of poor leadership.

The number of people who asked for pardons is also striking. They all knew it was a complete fabrication, that it probably wouldn’t work, and obviously they were afraid they would get caught. But they went along with it anyway, and a lot of them are still pushing these lies even now.

Somebody may not necessarily agree with all of the points of the current Democratic platform. But there is no doubt that democrats like John Fetterman or Josh Shapiro or Raphael Warnock or Sherrod Brown or Tim Ryan actually believe in ideas like the power of organized labor, or that problems like climate change desperately need our attention. And even if you disagree with some of their positions, I think it must at least be acknowledged that they have some integrity. I do not think the same thing could be said for almost any politician that would associate themselves with the current Republican Party. I would much rather have a person of integrity in a position of power, even if I don’t agree with them 100%, especially when the alternatives are disingenuous con men.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/14 12:58:51 (permalink)
Genuine question for everyone - how does the recently release information that Trump never had an "Election Defense Fund" and the money he fundraised for it, wasn't used for any defense?
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Members of the committee and an investigative counsel detailed how Trump and his allies raised hundreds of millions off of Trump’s false claims after the election. An “election defense fund” to contest the outcome actually ended up retiring debt, replenishing the RNC and starting the massive campaign war chest that Trump now has.
Much of that money went to the newly-created Save America PAC, not election-related litigation, an investigative counsel said in a video produced by the committee and aired at the hearing. The panel detailed how some of the dollars went to entities that directly benefitted Trump’s family and friends.
Trump campaign aide Gary Coby told the panel in a clip of a video interview that emails to small-dollar donors asking them to donate to the “official election defense fund” was a “marketing tactic.” The panel did not air his full interview.
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Source: https://apnews.com/article/jan-6-hearings-day-2-takeaways-5194979c436b3ee567e0dd20c7cc2f2d

So a "marketing tactic" was deployed to get supporters to donate to a fund that didn't exist. 
I have some friends and family who are Trump supporters, and asked them the same question. I received replies from "Yeah that is shady" to "Watch 2000 mules!". Most don't care in any capacity. Seemingly, there is not much that can have any impact on his supporters.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/14 13:10:25 (permalink)
I wanted to ask the same question. He raised money by blatantly lying to his supports, then kept all the money. I saw where Don Jr's girlfriend got $60,000 for a 2 1/2 minute speech. How does that fall under a " defense" fund?
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/14 13:13:01 (permalink)
I can't wait to see what Seantors/Congress went to the administration for pardons after Jan 6th. Anyone like to start a pool on who's on the list??😆
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/14 16:53:11 (permalink)
Throughout trumps entire time in office, the press exposed one grifting scam after another. Nothing moved the needle for the die hards. Why would this time be any different?
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/14 20:44:35 (permalink)
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Throughout trumps entire time in office, the press exposed one grifting scam after another. Nothing moved the needle for the die hards. Why would this time be any different?


Because Trump isn't in office. It's been 2 years. Times change and so do people. 

His appeal and followers are interesting to me. I wanted to gauge the feeling of some, as I know there are some on here. 
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/15 09:07:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby crappiefisher 2022/06/15 19:35:50
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Throughout trumps entire time in office, the press exposed one grifting scam after another. Nothing moved the needle for the die hards. Why would this time be any different?


Because Trump isn't in office. It's been 2 years. Times change and so do people. 

His appeal and followers are interesting to me. I wanted to gauge the feeling of some, as I know there are some on here. 


None of this will change the Trumpers.  They are bought in and will support him through anything.
 
This will have the other 2/3 that voted for him to consider an alternate candidate and likely support them in the primary process.  It isn't about policy.  Cheney and other Republicans voted something like 95%+ in support of policy, which most of it was their policy before Trump.  They will continue to support Republican policy, no matter who the next Republican President is. 
 
Like most Presidential elections, the economy is going to be the top factor or pretty close, depending if Putin/Jong-un/Jinping/other starts lobbing nukes...  The average bear market typically peaks at 13 months and hits break even in 27 months.  Even though not technically in recession, with how high inflation is and the Fed's response by raising rates and the market's bear response, has just about every economist pointing in that direction.  The average recession is 11 months.  That would have this current economic mess, most likely well on "the road to recovery" by the 2024 election time, unless it lasts longer of course.  The current situation will have a major impact on the midterm, which already would have been shaping up for a Republican wave, even if not in an economic mess. 
 
Let's face it, NOONE can give a straight, clear answer of why there is this skyrocket inflation without some sort of political BS intertwined (especially on this site).  It is multifaceted and any sane person knows it isn't all on Biden.  No doubt pushing green initiatives plays a factor in the energy portion and doing the second "recovery" payments for votes (Trump 2.0), definitely are in the equation.  But, it is pretty clear there are as many if not more, global factors tied to it.  Covid may not be real to many Trumpers, but what it did to the global economy is.  There aren't many, global economies that are doing better now than prior to Covid, having nothing to do with any American politician.  Somehow the economies of the world didn't collapse during covid (free money handed out to keep many afloat), now is time we all are paying it back and then some.  This will completely reshape the world economy.  Gas prices are sky rocketing at the same time there is a major push for e-vehicles.  I imagine the amount on the road will likely double in the next 2-3 years.  To a point where, it likely won't matter to many that gas ever goes below $4/gal again.
 
I have read that some Central American economies may benefit, ramping up manufacturing to offset some of our reliance on China/South Pacific.  Just think if someone on these boards mentioned that being an excellent solution to our immigration issue, years ago???  Wouldn't that be a great investment by American companies and our government, to have us less reliant on China, jobs in countries that have their citizens looking to move here for work???  Never mind, just build a wall, that will solve everything.  Because they are only coming here for our free healthcare and Obamaphones...  Lock her up!!!
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/16 16:04:50 (permalink)
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I'm thinking why bother.
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/17 08:54:17 (permalink)
I've watched 2 of 3 hearings so far.  While many on the right see this as just partisan politics, there is one major focal point of the hearings that counters this view.  The hearings are clearly portraying Mike Pence as a great hero that saved American democracy.  He will be a major force in 2024 if he decides to run for president.  
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Re: So what is OFF TOPIC allowed? 2022/06/17 09:22:09 (permalink)
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I've watched 2 of 3 hearings so far.  While many on the right see this as just partisan politics, there is one major focal point of the hearings that counters this view.  The hearings are clearly portraying Mike Pence as a great hero that saved American democracy.  He will be a major force in 2024 if he decides to run for president.  


I have been thinking the same thing.  For how bad of a light this puts Trump in, it makes Pence look great.  He must be a Rino, never Trumper like Cheney for the media to be saying something nice?  Cheney too, happened to be one of Trump's biggest supporters in the re-election, running the re-election campaign in the states in her area that Trump mostly won...  What a Rino!!!  The name for lifelong conservatives, that don't change to far right snake oil salesman in the past decade.  
 
Pence did stand by many of Trump's other shady dealings for 4 years.  He'd have to answer to much of that to gain the support of independent voters.  I imagine if he is the candidate, he will be asked these questions, that every Trumper that turns to Pence supporter, will say is unfair questions.  It is so hard to predict the easily predictable...
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