How do we know they weren't good guys with guns? Nobody stopped them, after all. What if they saw someone doing something illegal? What if someone threw a grocery bag at them and they needed to defend themselves?

Honestly, this isn't a gun issue. It isn't a race issue. It's a raising normal humans issue. Parents make kids think they are the most important person on the planet, nowadays. Never is heard a discouraging word. Kids don't hear "no" or "you can't do this or that". Parents don't care what the child is doing as long as they are happy. They want to be the child's friend. Then there is screen time and internet use. These kids go back n forth online, argue and fight without actually being confronted face to face. When that happens, they don't know how to act. Having 3 teenagers, we are super vigilant with them. We check phones, social media accounts and talk with them regularly. We converse with other parents and make sure if something "crazy" is going on at school, that none of our kids are involved. We aren't parents of the year by any stretch, but seems we've done a decent job. My kids know if you do something stupid, you're in trouble. If you get caught Snappin or on Insta, being a bully or sticking your nose somewhere it doesn't belong, you're in trouble. Ofcourse my wife and I are Gen Xrs which has a lot to do with how we are with our girls. Just my opinion.

Porktown
Or Duncansville...

Don’t start by being a jerk.

You ask for civil conversation and when someone tries to start one, you immediately go to what you perceive as an insult so as to not have a conversation. Which indicates that a conversation isn’t the goal, a debate of ideas isn’t the goal, but starting an argument, like the ones which got the Off Topic thread deleted is the end game.

I won’t play the insult game. It’s beneath most on the boards to do that. I will have the conversation, if that is what it is.

I want to add to my previous post/assement. If parents are a total Dbags, then I guess the child has no choice but to follow in those footsteps.

pensfan1
Honestly, this isn't a gun issue. It isn't a race issue. It's a raising normal humans issue. Parents make kids think they are the most important person on the planet, nowadays. Never is heard a discouraging word. Kids don't hear "no" or "you can't do this or that". Parents don't care what the child is doing as long as they are happy. They want to be the child's friend. Then there is screen time and internet use. These kids go back n forth online, argue and fight without actually being confronted face to face. When that happens, they don't know how to act. Having 3 teenagers, we are super vigilant with them. We check phones, social media accounts and talk with them regularly. We converse with other parents and make sure if something "crazy" is going on at school, that none of our kids are involved. We aren't parents of the year by any stretch, but seems we've done a decent job. My kids know if you do something stupid, you're in trouble. If you get caught Snappin or on Insta, being a bully or sticking your nose somewhere it doesn't belong, you're in trouble. Ofcourse my wife and I are Gen Xrs which has a lot to do with how we are with our girls. Just my opinion.

It is a culture issue, not race.  Not all Italians are mafiosos.  Not all Mexicans are MS13/gang members.  Not all whites are white supremacist militants.  Not all blacks are part of this shoot first ask questions after incident seems to be.  All races have different cultures, like you said about being a decent human.  Most noted above are anything but.
 
You can't put 100% on the parents, they didn't pull the triggers or take guns to a house party, etc.  But I wouldn't doubt when all facts come to light, that percentage will likely point to how the killer/killers were raised.  I'd put money more on parents not there, than just about anything.  Yeah, they likely never heard "no" or "you can't do that" from their parents, because their parents likely didn't have much of a relationship with them.  My wife has been a city school teacher for the past 20 years.  She taught in this very neighborhood for a decade.  Same school that a parent chased down a teacher and threw a brick at her head on the West End Bridge a few years back.  Some are very well brought up kids, some that never met either parent and would get in trouble every day, just so an adult would pay attention to them.  Many come from a very sad culture that their own babies mean nothing to them.  It is way too early to know if this killer(s) were part of that culture or not, but many times when they end up arresting the suspect, they come from this background or close association with.
 
It depends what you mean by a gun issue.  With gun ownership comes responsibility, just like owning a car or other item that can easily kill others.  Most gun owners on this board seem to be taught about gun safety and responsibility.  These kids aren't taught most things by their parents and likely often taught the exact opposite.  Yet, can get a gun just as easily, if not more, than those that went through additional gun safety classes and taught about gun safety years prior to being allowed to touch an unloaded gun.  There is definitely a gun issue in this particular culture.  There is a gun issue in many of the cultures noted above.  There isn't one in most of the population, so it ends up being a contentious issue.

EMitch
Never thought the Pens were ever gonna beat the Rangers. They've been pretty tough on the Pens all season. Didn't get to see the end; I conked out halfway through the 2nd overtime! Go Pens!

Going into it - the pens lost 7 of 8 OT games in the Playoffs. I figured they were due. 

About 20 of the total shots vs Sorokin were right in the stomach. I swear almost every shot of OT was like that. Some of the camera shots where they showed his face, he looked like a zombie. 

Rangers couldn't score for 5 periods. If they don't win on Thursday, stick a fork in em man

Word on the street is that DeSmith tweaked his groin and is out week to week. 

Honestly, the bounces went to the Rangers tonight. 
Pretty hard to save deflections and when your team leaves an opposing forward in the slot for the 2nd game in a row.

Be interesting to see what happens Saturday. Pens lines outside of Sids need to wake up.

Maybe that gave them some incentive. Seems they're comin' back with a vengeance, at least in the first period of game 3. Go Pens!

Empty netter!!! Wake n Bake Jake💪💪💪💪

Time for some 🔥🐷🥦

DeadGator401


And as always, another Letang idiot play in the playoffs. It's a tradition! 

Ya, like the Masters. A traditon like no other. 😆. He turned it over, dropped his stick, as he got beat to the net, then grabbed the post with both hands and pushed the net off. Thas clearly the highest level of suck I've seen on the ice in a good while. Can't wait till he's gone.

When the seasons over and its time to try and resign the 3 big FAs Letang, Malkin, Rust, I hope it's Letang.  Even with his meltdowns and untimely giveaways the man eats minutes on the defensive side and is always on the score sheet.

🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🐧💪💯

Can't argue with any of that....

I remember the Ian Moran years. Those were lean times.

I haven’t been able to get into hockey since the last cup run but l’ll be watching game 7 tomorrow.