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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/22 22:42:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby old dog 2018/03/22 22:46:20

Cap'n, this one's for you, lol  Circa 40s walleye fishermen at the spillway, 

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/22 22:47:16 (permalink)
https://www.facebook.com/VisitPymatuningLakePa/
If you're ever bored on a rainy day, check out this site on facebook.  This fellow has TONS of info, history and pics.  I learn something new every time I visit.  There's one old pic where they used to test the electronic timers on the torpedoes in Pymatuning.  For a minute I though I saw my dad.  He worked at Westinghouse during that period and spent a lot of time up there for the testing

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 08:54:08 (permalink)
Great old pictures Ops! I just read that flashback article about Pymy in a local magazine about a week ago. I never knew they grew all those onions there till I read that story. That's why Pymy Walleyes taste so good it's that onion flavor mix added in !....lol
 
Old Dog , I caught my biggest Bass as a 13 year old younger fisherman over near Andover beach that back swampy area behind the beach. I'm sure it's part of some Pymy over flow or something.
I landed with help from my friend a huge 20" Largemouth Bass that inhaled a zero size copper Mepps spinner lure ! I 'll bet 20 people came over to look at that 5lb. hog with that tiny spinner in his mouth! I was amazed myself that day . I still have a few black & white photos of it somewhere.
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 09:07:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BeenThereDoneThat. 2018/03/23 10:12:07
Opsman said: "https://www.facebook.com/VisitPymatuningLakePa/
If you're ever bored on a rainy day, check out this site on facebook.  This fellow has TONS of info, history and pics.  I learn something new every time I visit.  There's one old pic where they used to test the electronic timers on the torpedoes in Pymatuning.  For a minute I though I saw my dad.  He worked at Westinghouse during that period and spent a lot of time up there for the testing."
 
The guy that posts those pictures also owns Eagles Nest Pizza in Linesville. The food there is excellent. Tell him I sent you... and he will probably charge 10 percent more. :)
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 18:10:27 (permalink)
That's cool something I did not know!

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 18:44:35 (permalink)
Would also like to shout out to fishusa ordered a knew reel Wednesday at 2 shipped at 3 was in my mailbox yesterday I love everything comes so fast! Watch out walleye I got new tricks up my sleeve this year!

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 18:46:57 (permalink)
OD the legend follows..
That’s when Jamestown, Pa., residents Abe Palmanteer, John Blair and Lee Mason made a visit to this legend, to get one last look at the rotting hull even as the waters began to rise behind the Pymatuning Dam. The men confirmed its existence, as others had done in prior decades, and reported its wood as being foreign to this area. They also noted it was constructed with copper rivets.
A short time later, the relic disappeared from sight and inquiry, although its romantic tale surfaces whenever yarns of local history are spun around the campfires that glow on the lake’s edge on summer evenings.
 
Pymatuning is a man-made reservoir, and prior to its construction, the area was a huge marsh of some 23,000 acres. Pymatuning Creek fed this wetlands, which was in turn the headwaters of the Shenango and Beaver rivers, which flow through Pennsylvania.
The Beaver terminates in the Ohio River between Wheeling, W.Va., and Pittsburgh. Prior to construction of the dam, spring flooding in the valleys between Pymatuning and the Ohio were common. During times of drought, communities along these rivers saw their source of industrial and domestic water reduced to a trickle.
Years of debate preceded the decision to build a dam at Linesville, Pa., and create a lake that would prevent downstream flooding, while ensuring a steady supply of water for industry, commerce and households in the valleys.
Nature lit a fire behind this plan on March 24, 1913, when flooding brought unprecedented death and destruction to the Shenango and Beaver valleys. The flooding did $3 million in damage, making the $1.5 million price tag of a dam seem like a bargain.
This digression from our story about the mystery ship is necessary to point out that the landscape and waterscape of this region were greatly altered by the dam construction, which was completed in 1934. There existed hitherto an inland waterway stretching from the Gulf of Mexico to within a few miles of Lake Erie, which evidently stirred the ambitions of mariners in search of the secret passage north.
As to why the ship was not recovered by settlers and thereby better documented, we must also keep in mind the remoteness of its location. It’s possible that more than one settler died challenging the muck of what had been an ancient lake created by the last glacier that landscaped our county.
“The nature of the swamp prevented freezing except during unusual winter seasons, and it was seldom dry enough for convenient travel,” notes the “History of the Pymatuning Reservoir, 1909-34.” “Poison ivy and sumac thrived over the entire area, making it dangerous for people to enter the swamp at any time.”
Two explanations
While we know that the Shenango stops short of Lake Erie, the first and most romantic explanation for this mystery ship suggests otherwise.  In this pre-Revolutionary War scenario, a Castilian princess who lived in New Orleans is to be wed to a French nobleman in Canada. The concept of this union was more about politics than romance, for it sought to create an alliance between Spain and France against the English in North America.
There is the obvious question of why the princess would take the difficult route of the Mississippi River to the Ohio to Lake Erie long before canalization of the major rivers. Nevertheless, this tradition states that a 100-foot-long ship carrying the princess and her dowry of 100,000 doubloons was seen passing Marietta, and later, through the junction of the Ohio and Beaver rivers, along with three other boats.
End of story. They were never heard from or seen again, presumably victims of the swamp, the Native Indians or wild animals.
A second, and more likely, version of the story attributes the relic to Pittsburgh traders who sailed up the rivers during high water and ditched the boat when they ran out of navigable stream. The traders continued their journey on foot and never bothered to reclaim their craft.
Those who explain the story in those terms said the boat was 60 feet long, 12 feet wide.
 
Whatever its origin, around 1835 some planking from the craft was removed and taken to Conneaut, where it was cut into souvenir canes. An 1891 account of the boat, on file with the Jamestown, Pa., Area Historical Society, states that John  Hadlock of Ashtabula and John McMurty of Harmonsburg, Pa., in 1850 braved the Pymatuning Swamp in Crawford County, Pa., and found the relic at the point the Pymatuning Creek joined another stream. They removed a piece of plank from the deck, and McMurty made two canes from it.
Its location was given as 20 feet from the channel of Pymatuning Creek. When visited in 1850, the artifact was found to be covered with moss and trees. The trees, birch and tamarack, ranged in size from 4 to 18 inches in diameter. The bow stern rose about 2 feet above the muck.
On the opposite bank of the creek rose an old fort, embankments thrown up in semi-circle form. Spanish coins were discovered within the protection of the embankment. The trees there grew to a size of 2 feet in diameter.
Joel Blakeslee, a pioneer settler, visited an ancient fort in the Pymatuning area on June 14, 1822. Blakeslee’s recollections were submitted to the Historical and Philosophical Society of Ashtabula County in 1846. His description of “an ancient fortification” on the Pymatuning Creek’s west side suggests the same fort is in view here: “This striking monument of antiquity is situated about one-half mile from the south line and near the east line of the township, surrounded on the west, north and east by flat land; on the south by woodland. On a handsome elevation overgrown by a grove of timber stand these works,” Blakeslee wrote.
“On the height of the outer breastworks stands a lofty sugar maple of well-formed body, measuring at least three feet through. Near it lies the decayed trunk of another large maple, fallen into the fort, which Esquire Brown informed me fell over 20 years ago.” Of the ship, Blakeslee made no reference, however.
A visitor to the boat in 1892 described it as “so badly decayed and overgrown with vegetation, it would have to be excavated.”
There’s no record that the 7,000 men who cleared the swamp  uncovered the lost ship. The slogan for the project was “pick up and burn everything that might float later on.” Curiously, the workers did find a long-abandoned log road buried in the muck. Estimated to be circa 1800, the road was made from pine and hemlock logs originally 8 inches in diameter.
Given the evidence of European visitation, perhaps even settlement, long before Moses Cleaveland and his party arrived in 1796, we can only speculate that perhaps the Spanish were among those who wandered into the region centuries ago and left behind artifacts to confound future settlers.
Perhaps  there was no dowry and no princess, just the lovely Princess Pymatuning herself, who forever will conceal the truth of this mystery in her ancient palms of muck and quicksand.
 

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 18:49:10 (permalink)
A little lengthy but a good read...BTW the answer to your question is yes.  More than a few years ago, not quite ten pounds, 30"   Of course, on the north end ;)
 

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 19:54:43 (permalink)
Thank you Op for taking the time to print the story. Some reading my post of fishing Pymie may remember me telling tales of snagging my leadcore on a sunken ship. But the location I never revealed shall forever remain my secrete. No "spotburning"......
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2018/03/23 21:05:37

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 21:09:47 (permalink)
Nice read....my guess is it came up river on Shenango and got ditched when meeting the narrow Pymatuning Creek. Doesn't take wood long to deteriorate..... seen in 1835 already being stripped apart to again seen very badly decayed in 1892....57 years later !
Nothing but soiled toothpicks now a 183 years later !
 
I like the Pymy torpedo stories....all good reads
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/03/23 21:24:38 (permalink)
I have maps of days gone by from anywhere in the U.S.   Here is a map from the Linesville area dating back to 1906 showing the original swamp area and contours.   Hopefully those interested can use your zoom features to explore the map.
 
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 18:13:51 (permalink)
Can anyone tell me where Stewart Bay is located on Pymi.
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 18:44:54 (permalink)
 NE end ov lake, why u lookin' for slabs & perch?
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 18:54:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby old dog 2018/04/04 21:34:22
Robinson's been name dropping lol
"Good morning and Happy Easter from the north end of Pymatuning Lake. We start the day chilly at 31F, on our way to a high of around 40F, starting with cloudy skies and ending the day with mostly sunny. The winds should be out of the north west at 5-10 mph.
Reports put the walleye bite pretty strong at the Spillway. Crappie, perch, and blue gill in the shallows of the bays along the north end with Stewart's Bay and Bridge 20, the shallow side being the most active for crappie..."
 

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 19:04:56 (permalink)
  Seems some things never change...
 
https://www.myfishfinder....dex.php?topic=57486.15
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 19:30:03 (permalink)
Robinson is always name dropping

I'd rather be lucky then good,but im to good to be lucky
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 21:18:07 (permalink)
I got em good last year I told people on there page they count minnows lol they messaged me freaking out 😂😂😂 I don't even know where that place is haha ....lets turn pyme into walleye ally world class fishing put of signs on 79

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 21:36:56 (permalink)
Dammit Dog, I just punched all that info into my gps and it looks like I'm fishing by my shed tomorrow!
 

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 21:42:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby old dog 2018/04/04 21:49:11
 Those r in the post myfishfinder a couple up. Like I said somethings never change.
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 22:21:29 (permalink)
 I sortta get a kick (enjoy) when some spots are reported fishing good. I don't care fishing in crowds so it makes other places more enjoyable.
 
Our house is not far from Robinson's & have stoped in a couple times. Seem like nice folks & if u run out of bait they will deliver for u at the launch which could be nice. I've been on both ends where skunked/on fire same spot in a day. Hardly ever stop at a tackle shop but nice to have a few around just in case.
 
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 22:27:31 (permalink)
Lol ... well guys my GPS is in my gun case , boat is covered up still under carport , it’s 25 and snowing still ... I’m going to a NASCAR Race in 2 weeks ... so maybe by the time I get back you will have all the info I need to put in MY gps so I will know were to go and not waist time finding lunch ..... ok thanks guys 😜👍😜

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/04 22:37:09 (permalink)
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Dammit Dog, I just punched all that info into my gps and it looks like I'm fishing by my shed tomorrow!
 





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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/05 08:25:28 (permalink)
I like Robinson's shop, but when I leave the place I smell like I just smoked a pack of cigarettes. :)
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/05 08:43:16 (permalink)
Some fishing guides are worse than bait shops when it comes to pitching out fake fishing reports. The guides say we killed them last week hurry on up, then when you get skunked they say "right after you left".... the next day .......fishing was great again ! $$$$ cha....ching !
 
My favorite all time fishing lie is the one about the diver working below the local dam. He seen Catfish as big as him swimming underwater there ! He was actually scared !.....lol 
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/05 09:06:25 (permalink)
Well I'm 6'6'' so maybe it wasn't quite as big as me!!  But it was BIG!  

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/05 09:14:16 (permalink)
old dog
 
i've heard this same story about pymy, milton, berlin, mosquito, hamilton and other nearby lakes.  i always laughed too because the story teller swears that his buddy talked to someone who actually saw the fish.
 



Don't forget every one of Pittsburgh's 3 Rivers too.  Except there the catfish are even bigger than the divers!  
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/05 09:54:37 (permalink)
Ixnay on the ghost at Pymie.... they don't take kindly to spotburning.

They hear and see everything....on Youtube💀👻

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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/05 10:36:42 (permalink)
One night wade fishing at Pymy another fisherman was there also fishing. He had asked me if I night fished a lot and I said yes I do every spring. Then he asked me if I'd ever seen those strange green lights skipping above the water and then disappear ? No I haven't ....he said he's seen them several times over the years really weird looking lights. ???????
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/05 11:54:00 (permalink)
Speaking of Bigfoot , a guy I worked with use to sneak into Meander Reservoir to fish once in awhile. Seems all that nice looking water is a major temptation to all who live around the lake that's posted to fishing or entering. He would wear a camo gilly suit to blend into the surroundings. Now the best part is he's 6' 8" tall .....so on his way in one trip a woman spots him and calls police and claims that she's just seen Bigfoot near the lake !...lol  We'll police never checked very well and he got away with fishing that day , but a friend of his heard the call over a scanner and told him! LMAO !
 
Poor woman probably thought she was going crazy !
 
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Re: Pymatuning Lake 2018 2018/04/05 12:09:59 (permalink)
    Even if someone said they limited out quick on nightcrawlers in a certian area, There are many, many ways to use/rig one. Some times you just have to find out which works. Have gone from zero bites to one every cast in the past (helps having a fishing partner) that is killing them his way .
 
 Don't even get me started on ghosts at Arthur. Fished that place many a moon myself until dawn  Our place at Pymy has a right away through the property for the cemetary. Found some old head stones on ours as well. My old lady always asks if I herd or saw anything in the house when I return home. Neighbors have told me the place was used for underground railroad long ago.
 
 Looked at a place for sale not far from Robinson's last month with 14 acres, newer double wide & new large pole building. The pole building could not ov been any closer to a abanded grave yard. Shame no one has taken care of it for decades.
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