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2018/01/01 07:54:03 (permalink)

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Just saw on the news that the PA. GC has had another Brain fart. This one is allowing hunters to take a second buck each year. My opinion is they're bound and determined to get rid of the deer herd once and for all! To top it off they want the hunters to pay between a $100 to $150 to enter a lottery. Got to love Pennsylvania! They're going to get your money one way or the other! If they can't get it through Taxes they'll allow Gambling everywhere and now a Lottery to get rid of the deer herd! Should have seen this coming after a stamp to harvest ditch chickens! Opinions?
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/01 09:06:24 (permalink)
I dont see it as anything more than a money grab. I figured this was coming after they allowed a 2nd spring Turkey tag. In my opinion it wont make much of a difference. To me the chance to harvest a 2nd buck isnt worth $100
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/01 12:12:19 (permalink)
If this is how it goes down I will post all properties. Putting any hunting opportunity beyond the ability of the poorest residents ability to pay is where I part from Pa Game Com. policies. Even the Elk tags are within reach of the average or any Joe. I dislike the auctioned high money Elk tag. I already post a couple properties due to behavior of hunters, although I give permission to many that can follow my few rules.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/01 12:49:31 (permalink)
They raise the number of antlerless licenses by the hundreds or thousands in some units for extra cash, then act like are trying to protect the herd numbers by off setting the doe season on a Saturday start instead of a buck and doe opener Monday like it was for a few years. They like the idea of people hunting and paying more money out ,but prefer that they really don't shoot too much of anything. That way there is always a resource to sell next year in their eyes. Hence the antler restrictions, and the later antlerless season start now days. 
 
I laugh when hunters complain there are no deer in their hunting area , and want other hunters to agree and pass on shooting doe, but the Game Commission increases the antlerless license numbers in that same area ! 
 
It's all about the money first ....controlled hunting at it's finest.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/01 13:03:27 (permalink)
If I have a product to sell that likely will not draw interest or may even create controversy I first issue the product at a high price. Later on I will reduce the cost to the actual price I really wanted and maybe throw in free shipping as a deal. People will see the reduced price along with the deal and buy my product, even though they have no real use for it.

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Re: Again?? 2018/01/01 13:53:08 (permalink)
https://adventures.everybodyshops.com/pa-buck-hunters-two-deer-year/

So far it's just an idea being explored. I hope it doesn't get past that point.

At least the commissioner who floated the idea basically said it's all about more $ for the PGC.

In true big buck states like in the Midwest where opportunities for out of state hunters to hunt big bucks are coveted, I could see it raising a lot of money. I might be wrong, but I don't know any hunters personally that would shell out $100 or more for the opportunity to shoot another buck in PA.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/02 09:02:44 (permalink)
You never know now days what people will spend. To some people a hundred bucks is nothing to spend . I thought the bonus turkey tags would not be a big sale, but many hunters have bought them. The bad thing is with bonus tags the person feels the added pressure to fill that tag regardless of the size. Many hunters will bag a boss gobbler then squeeze the trigger on a jake just to fill that second tag or do the opposite ! That along with added extra hunting pressure screws up other hunters trying for their first bird.
 
Funny how "extra money" can make the Game Commission flip flop on things they were against or would have never considered years ago. Just like the all day spring turkey hunting , cross bows ,and  bonus tags. What's next..... a separate big game tag for bucks only ? Remember the bear tag use to be included with your yearly license years ago.   
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/02 16:54:22 (permalink)
Kinda neutral on it. If done as they said, limited permits, it won't have any impact on the resource. A few thousand more bucks taken, which is not significant. 
 
The PGC says they need money. When the bill was l floated to merge PGC with PFBC, one of the reasons the PGC opposed it was the cost of rebadging uniforms, vehicles, and stationary. Well, all of a sudden they came up with the money to change the name of WCOs, to State Game Wardens. Something they said previously they did not have the money for. 

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Re: Again?? 2018/01/02 18:14:42 (permalink)
Wait..... What?   They're "Game Wardens" again?  Really??

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Re: Again?? 2018/01/02 19:17:38 (permalink)
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Wait..... What?   They're "Game Wardens" again?  Really??




Yep. 
www.media.pa.gov/Pages/Game-Commission-Details.aspx?newsid=182

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Re: Again?? 2018/01/02 19:32:06 (permalink)
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Wait..... What?   They're "Game Wardens" again?  Really??




Yep. 
www.media.pa.gov/Pages/Game-Commission-Details.aspx?newsid=182




 
OMG it's official and to think, I been callin em that ever since when and all this time, I been WRONG.  If I only knowd then, what I knowd now...... I'll be darned!!
 
Well congratulation to all the "Pennsylvania State Game Wardens".

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Re: Again?? 2018/01/02 19:50:02 (permalink)
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Just saw on the news that the PA. GC has had another Brain fart. This one is allowing hunters to take a second buck each year. My opinion is they're bound and determined to get rid of the deer herd once and for all! To top it off they want the hunters to pay between a $100 to $150 to enter a lottery. Got to love Pennsylvania! They're going to get your money one way or the other! If they can't get it through Taxes they'll allow Gambling everywhere and now a Lottery to get rid of the deer herd! Should have seen this coming after a stamp to harvest ditch chickens! Opinions?


Jigs, if it's a lottery did they say how many of these "bonus" buck tags would be up for bid?  Obviously a money grab and a herd reduction technique.  I mean they could allow the inline hunters to take a buck during that inline doe season, same goes for the late season archery hunters being able to convert their buck tag to an anterless tag during the late archery season as flintlockers are able to do (I've taken several buck this way).  But if they did it this way, there's no extra money going into the coffers.  If you think about it, who exactly is this proposal appealing to?  Successful buck taggers.  I've taken buck in '98, '99, 2000, '01, and '02, then BAM! the gods shut me off when it's come to bucks here in PA (plenty in NY state tho, and "anterless" buck during flintlock).  Have had plenty in my sites, just not legal.  I for one wouldn't even think of paying that kind of money for a bonus buck tag, and I'll drop $100 on a few bottles of wine or trolling equipment I know I don't need.  I just don't think this is the problem everyone thinks it's going to be. I'm retired and out a lot during the gun season, and unless it's the first Monday or Saturday, I'm just not seeing the people out pursuing.  And I don't think an extra buck tag is going to change that.   
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/03 07:05:18 (permalink)
No they didn't go into the fine details, just enough to confirm my dislike and distrust for the GC! Everybody wants to succeed on the back of the working stiff. Instead of managing the herd they're destroying it. They act as though the deer belong to them to do as they please. Try sueing the sobs when one of their deer slams into your car.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/03 08:36:58 (permalink)
pikepredator2  I've taken buck in '98, '99, 2000, '01, and '02, then BAM! the gods shut me off when it's come to bucks here in PA (plenty in NY state tho, and "anterless" buck during flintlock).  Have had plenty in my sites, just not legal.    




Welcome to hunting in Pa. where micro GC management stops many a hunter from shooting bucks !
They try to raise trophy deer now days in our woods, but still want people to hunt and not shoot. No wonder everybody slowly gives up on hunting....boring ! Maybe they should start tagging deer with instant lottery tags in their ears so you can win a prize if you get one. Bet that would pick up sales !
 
All these bonus tags are a joke , just a money squeeze to make up for all their miss management that has caused hunting sales to drop in Pa.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/03 12:21:52 (permalink)
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Just saw on the news that the PA. GC has had another Brain fart. This one is allowing hunters to take a second buck each year. My opinion is they're bound and determined to get rid of the deer herd once and for all! To top it off they want the hunters to pay between a $100 to $150 to enter a lottery. Got to love Pennsylvania! They're going to get your money one way or the other! If they can't get it through Taxes they'll allow Gambling everywhere and now a Lottery to get rid of the deer herd! Should have seen this coming after a stamp to harvest ditch chickens! Opinions?


Jigs, if it's a lottery did they say how many of these "bonus" buck tags would be up for bid?  Obviously a money grab and a herd reduction technique.  I mean they could allow the inline hunters to take a buck during that inline doe season, same goes for the late season archery hunters being able to convert their buck tag to an anterless tag during the late archery season as flintlockers are able to do (I've taken several buck this way).  But if they did it this way, there's no extra money going into the coffers.  If you think about it, who exactly is this proposal appealing to?  Successful buck taggers.  I've taken buck in '98, '99, 2000, '01, and '02, then BAM! the gods shut me off when it's come to bucks here in PA (plenty in NY state tho, and "anterless" buck during flintlock).  Have had plenty in my sites, just not legal.  I for one wouldn't even think of paying that kind of money for a bonus buck tag, and I'll drop $100 on a few bottles of wine or trolling equipment I know I don't need.  I just don't think this is the problem everyone thinks it's going to be. I'm retired and out a lot during the gun season, and unless it's the first Monday or Saturday, I'm just not seeing the people out pursuing.  And I don't think an extra buck tag is going to change that.   




Some of the answers can be found here: https://adventures.everybodyshops.com/pa-buck-hunters-two-deer-year/
 
 
 
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/03 14:38:01 (permalink)
Hold on to your tags!! I hear their discussing mini casinos at the entrance to all SGLs!
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/03 16:26:35 (permalink)
Pa. Game Commission quote ....... “I think biologically, under that scenario of 10,000, if they’re used at the same rate as every other tag, you’re talking about 2,000 bucks (killed) across the whole state,” he said. “Antler restrictions are already in place to sort of put a top on how many bucks can be harvested anyhow, so I don’t think it would necessarily be that big of an issue.”
 
 Now they want more money for bonus buck tags, since they controlled the buck kill for years to be lower ! Then they wonder why hunters young and old have given up or lost interest in the sport of deer hunting or hunting period, it's all because of their extra controlled hunting rules. Like I said they want you to hunt but not shoot, or barely shoot, they just admitted to that in their statements. Nothing like having the odds stacked against you before you even step into the woods. 
 
Gotta laugh when 10 camps up north, full of hunters, only harvest one legal buck! Nice job Pa. Game Commish ! Wonder how many will be back next year ?
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/04 12:42:55 (permalink)
Now I know you are lying!  10 camps up north, ALL full of hunters....come on.....
I came home along Route 62 from Buckaloons to Tionesta on the first day, 3pm, and there were HARDLY any camps occupied....much less filled! 
I know, a small sample..but still....
 
I think it will not have much, if any impact on the herd and yes, of course it is a $ grab.  If the PGC can't get a license increase through the legislature, they need to make up lost revenue somehow.  
I would most likely not buy an extra permit, especially if the deadline is well before the season starts.  I am happy if I can get one buck and don't "need" a second.  But, if there are guys out there that will shell out a chunk a coin for a second buck AND it won't have a negative effect on the resource (which I don't think it will), then go for it.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/04 12:42:55 (permalink)
Now I know you are lying!  10 camps up north, ALL full of hunters....come on.....
I came home along Route 62 from Buckaloons to Tionesta on the first day, 3pm, and there were HARDLY any camps occupied....much less filled! 
I know, a small sample..but still....
 
I think it will not have much, if any impact on the herd and yes, of course it is a $ grab.  If the PGC can't get a license increase through the legislature, they need to make up lost revenue somehow.  
I would most likely not buy an extra permit, especially if the deadline is well before the season starts.  I am happy if I can get one buck and don't "need" a second.  But, if there are guys out there that will shell out a chunk a coin for a second buck AND it won't have a negative effect on the resource (which I don't think it will), then go for it.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/04 17:14:35 (permalink)
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/05 10:40:27 (permalink)
Ever hunt German Hill ? Apparently not .....loaded with hunters and camps....just not many bucks killed...during rifle season anymore. Yes hunting numbers are down there too ! Good size bucks (racks) if you happen to see or get one, but the odds are way against you to harvest a legal buck or see many deer now days. We would average about 2-3 bucks at camp years ago on opening day for years, and some were beauties, now your lucky if one buck is killed in 2-3 seasons ! We hunt 6-8 guys out of one camp, next three or so are about the same....every year! A lot more camps nearby also loaded with good hunters. I'm talking an opening day or two hunt only....nothing more.... also this is Alleghany National Forest land open to all public hunting! 
 
Maybe that's why all those camps are empty along your route home.....disgusted with controlled buck hunting regulations and have just given up after years of Game Commission medaling. Facts are Pa. hunting has steady dropped..... wonder why ? 
 
I love that GC idea ....restrict shooting on smaller bucks (antler restrictions) for years, but now thinking about added "extra tags" to kill more mature bucks....lol....I just don't get it ?   
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/05 11:08:36 (permalink)
Our neighbors at camp get 2 or 3 bucks out of 6 guys every year. They said the main problem around youngsville rd is the guys dont venture far enough in or sit in a stand all day. They did say that the guy posting half the mountain did cut pressure down by more than half. Theyd usually see 30 to 50 other guys the first week now maybe 20.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/05 11:32:43 (permalink)
Never hunted that area Captain.  My co-worker did get a beautiful 9 point in Cherry Grove area on the first day, though.  
Another co-worker showed me a pic of his son't buck that he shot a little south of there near east hickory and it is one that the TV hunters would be proud of.  Both public land bucks too.  Again, just a small sample.  
I had a crappy year this year but it was EHD that did me in on my go to spots.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/05 12:03:57 (permalink)
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/05 12:07:01 (permalink)
Theres far less pressure than there used to be. Were all getting older and the young guns that did all the walking and chasing would rather stay home and play video games. Its just the way of the world now. Kids dont want to kill because its been engrained in them that killings bad no matter what. The young guys at work look at me like im crazy for hunting coons at night, ice fishing and archery hunting. I evwn had one tell me i shouldnt hunt the firat day of gun because its likely ill get shot because everyone drinks and hunts the first day.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/05 12:14:48 (permalink)
I say the extra buck tag(s) is all about enticing the big TV hunters.  The big boys ain't comin to do stories about hunting Penn's Woods when they can only shoot one buck and while I haven't watched any of the "hero hunts" in years, when I did, I don't recall watching programs about killllll.... errrr, harvesting Pope & Young or Boone & Crockett doe.  But that's just me being me.
 
The average Joe ain't gonna cough-up a C-note just for chyts & giggles of killing another elusive white tailed deer with horns, when he can buy several antler-less tags at a fraction of the cost.  Likewise, out-of-stater's ain't comin to town, least not the big spenders, just to shoot antler-less whitetails.  Them big spenders got no problem dropping a couple hundred for the right to bag horns.. umm, antlers.
 
Maybe** there's hope, now that we can legally call the PGC "Game Wardens",  we will see hunting returning as it once was.  Even if we have to start at the bottom and work our way back.
 
 
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** I did say maybe...
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/06 09:30:04 (permalink)
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Theres far less pressure than there used to be. Were all getting older and the young guns that did all the walking and chasing would rather stay home and play video games. Its just the way of the world now. Kids dont want to kill because its been engrained in them that killings bad no matter what. The young guys at work look at me like im crazy for hunting coons at night, ice fishing and archery hunting. I evwn had one tell me i shouldnt hunt the firat day of gun because its likely ill get shot because everyone drinks and hunts the first day.


I’m 17 years old and I go out for rifle every year. It really is a shame what has happened. I can personally say I like fishing a lot more then hunting, but you can’t beat going up to hunting camp. We saw several doe this year but nobody even spot a buck. Not a spike , or a legal. I go hunting mostly to learn very valuable pointers from my father. I would archery hunt, but that’s during steelhead season!
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/06 20:34:40 (permalink)
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I’m 17 years old and I go out for rifle every year. It really is a shame what has happened. I can personally say I like fishing a lot more then hunting, but you can’t beat going up to hunting camp. We saw several doe this year but nobody even spot a buck. Not a spike , or a legal. I go hunting mostly to learn very valuable pointers from my father. I would archery hunt, but that’s during steelhead season!


I agree on much of what said. Love fishing way more , and buck hunting is on a downward trend in most areas but is still worth time outdoors with family and friends. Too bad it is what it is , I too never archery hunted due to Trout and Salmon Fall fishing. Just can't do it all !
  
Funny thing about deer hunting in gun season is you can hunt near the road or way back in and still end up with a nice buck. I hunted Elk county (Owl's Nest area ) on a opener one year, seemed we walked miles back in, even got lost for a few hours heading back out. Got to the vehicle and this young hunter had a beautiful 8 point lying near his truck. I asked where he was when he shot it ?  He pointed to a tree not far away, said he stood there most of the day!...lol 
 
BTDT those big shot TV hunters ain't coming to Pa, too much competition and public land. They like hunting totally private mid west farms posted up like Fort Knox to hunt on. I personally can't watch those shows, it's all about big money on those private staged hunts. What goes on behind the scenes would shame most good hunters .
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/06 21:08:24 (permalink)
Captain I agree with the staged hunts and being embarrassing to know what goes on behind the scenes. But the PGC sounds desperate to get more money in their coffers and if they can't take it from our pockets, than they need more pockets to take it from.

Also, once us babyboomers is history there ain't gonna be the numbers of resident hunters paying the way.

So the PGC gonna need to bring in hunters and what better way to advertise?

Not many hunt for free, release & shoot, farms in PA for them TV boys to kill for thrill, so they will need multiple tags to produce vids of their hero hunts, in the Great Pennsylvania Wilds.

So I'm thinkin.
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Re: Again?? 2018/01/07 08:44:49 (permalink)
Some of these responses are hilarious! Keep them coming.

Ok now everyone give a response on if the GC would say in 2018 no deer hunting at all. (To address the replies of to low of deer numbers)

Then I want to hear a response if they say we r going back to the rules of 2001. (To help people kill bucks with out needin to count to three, another topic brought up)

Here’s a good one let’s hear the response to if hunting license were free ( help hunter recruitment and increase hunting pressure, both issues brought up)

Let’s hear it if the GC were to open up longer bear seasons, or offer anyone license holder the option to purchase an extra spring turkey tag. (Surely those other big game animals would struggle to survive, also it would be meet with huge resistance)

What I see year in and year out is when ever the GC has an idea there are the same guys who immediately against it regardless of what it is. It will always be a struggle between “what’s good for the deer vs what’s good for the one day a year hunter”

Let it be known I am on the fence with this one. I am under the impression from what I read it was an idea, not being Enacted yet or may never be enacted, just an idea.
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