I'd like to post a portion of that link that supports what I said about most non-hunters accepting the PGC and hunting... but notice what the priority is when it comes to making those more important that their own thoughts on other subjects (and I am sure Sunday hunting would be one of them).

There is a broad consensus that deer densities in Pennsylvania are too high from the forest
ecosystem perspective, a position accepted by some members of the Pennsylvania Game
Commission (P.G.C.) staff,1 at times by P.G.C. commissioners themselves,2 and by much of the
public at large.3 A statewide survey of randomly selected Pennsylvania households conducted in
December 20034 indicates that 74% of respondents are at least somewhat familiar with P.G.C.
and 64% are aware of Pennsylvania’s deer program. Approximately 19% of respondents
indicated that they hunt and 81% supported or did not disapprove of hunting. This level of
support for hunting agrees with a 19965 survey conducted by Responsive Management
(Harrisonburg, Virginia) on behalf of P.G.C. in which 84% of Pennsylvania respondents
supported or did not disapprove of hunting activities. When asked to rate their level of agreement with potential goals on a 10-point scale (with 10 signifying complete agreement with the goal),6 respondents’ top-ranked goals were “manage deer herd numbers to promote healthy and
sustainable forests” (average score 7.5) followed by “manage deer herd numbers making
minimum conflicts with humans” (6.4).

In the same survey, “manage deer herd numbers making
hunting activities the priority” was ranked as lowest in priority (5.9).

http://www.pollwizard.com/980
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1058920&page=1
http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2138016&fpart=1
http://forum.deeranddeerhunting.com/tm.aspx?m=86257

A 2005 study showed that allowing Sunday hunting in Pennsylvania would generate $629 million in economic impact, $18 million in state sales tax and support 5,300 new full- and part-time jobs.

"This goes beyond just hunter opportunity," Gergely said. "Those were big figures in 2005, when we were flush with money. They're even bigger now I'm sure, and we're in a recession, too. We need that money and we need those jobs."

Exactly ! OH,NY,and WV are more than happy NOT to see Sunday hunting in Pa. Many have chose other states to hunt rather PA. The numbers will only continue to grow. These states are more than happy to take the money from Pa residents.

ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

http://www.pollwizard.com/980
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1058920&page=1
http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2138016&fpart=1
http://forum.deeranddeerhunting.com/tm.aspx?m=86257

A 2005 study showed that allowing Sunday hunting in Pennsylvania would generate $629 million in economic impact, $18 million in state sales tax and support 5,300 new full- and part-time jobs.

"This goes beyond just hunter opportunity," Gergely said. "Those were big figures in 2005, when we were flush with money. They're even bigger now I'm sure, and we're in a recession, too. We need that money and we need those jobs."

Sunday Hunting A New Push for Sunday Hunting Likely

The prospect of another battle over Sunday hunting is beginning to take shape.
Pennsylvania Farm Bureau worked to derail legislation in the General Assembly in 2005 which would have transferred authority to make Sunday hunting legal from the General Assembly to the Game Commission.

That bill never made it out of the House Game and Fisheries Committee.
Now with a shift in political control of the House of Representatives, the leading champion of Sunday hunting, Rep. Ed Staback (D- Lackawanna/Wayne) has become chairman of the Game and Fisheries committee. In news interviews he has vowed to renew his push for Sunday hunting now that he has new leverage as the committee chairman. Another attempt to enact some form of Sunday hunting appears certain.
PFB Voting Delegates have affirmed and reaffirmed the organization’s strong opposition to expansion of Sunday hunting. Delegates last acted on the issue in 2004, adopting new policy “that there be no further expansion of Sunday hunting.”

At the time, PFB President Carl Shaffer said, “Most farmers work every day of the week, but they try to spend extra time with their families on Sundays. Farmers aren’t interested in hearing gunshots ringing across their property or having hunters knocking on their doors asking for permission to hunt on their land.”

The state Game Code currently prohibits Sunday hunting with the exception of hunting for coyotes, foxes and crows.

A proposal is already being talked about that would allow Sunday hunting only on the two weekends during rifle deer hunting.

“We see that as their way of getting a foot in the door,” said Joel Rotz, PFB’s State Governmental Relations Director. Rotz testified against Sunday hunting two years ago when Rep. Staback introduced legislation. He spoke of farmers’ need for “one day a week when they can enjoy some privacy, whether for religious reasons, quality family time, or recreational use of their property.”

Farmers’ reasons for opposition were further amplified by Franklin County Farm Bureau member Wilmer Lehman who told the Game and Fisheries Committee, “Please remember, our farm is not just a piece of property, it’s also our home.”

Two years ago farmers’ opposition to Sunday hunting carried the day and helped prevent it from being adopted. Now there is a different political landscape in the General Assembly and the outcome is uncertain.

“We have a lot of new faces in Harrisburg, more than 50 new lawmakers, and a lot of our past supporters are no longer there,” said Rotz. “The former chairman of the Game and Fisheries Committee who opposed Sunday hunting has retired. New leadership is in control of the House and legislative committees have new agendas and priorities. An all out effort and a lot of contact with legislators will be needed to stop Sunday hunting if it becomes an issue this time.”

PFB is already making its position known in the new session. At the PA Game Commission meeting last month, PFB’s Local Affairs Director Jeff Grove reminded the Board of Commissioners that PFB’s policy, “unequivocally opposing Sunday hunting has not changed.”

Proponents point to a study commissioned by the Legislative Budget and Finance Committee in 2005 that stated the addition of Sunday hunting could boost the state’s economy and produce new and part time jobs. At the time it was released some legislators believed the economic impact was overstated, pointing out for example, that it assumed hunters would all buy new pickups and rifles if Sunday hunting was allowed.
Regardless of how big the economic impact would be, the fact that it’s being advanced presents a troubling scenario for Pennsylvania farmers.

“They’re using the same arguments – that we’re losing economic development if we don’t have Sunday hunting and that other states are doing it – that were used to bring slot machines to Pennsylvania,” noted Gary Swan, Director of PFB’s Governmental Affairs and Communications Division.

What’s being overlooked is the negative impact that Sunday hunting would have on other outdoor activities that share public and private lands on Sunday and also generate travel and tourism dollars. Some of these include mountain biking, horseback riding, ATV riding, birdwatching, hiking and camping. “Many of our hunting and non-hunting residents reject Sunday hunting because of conflicts over shared use of the same resources. There is a great fear by many non-hunters about being in the same area where bullets may be flying through the air,” said Grove.

Also documented in the study on Sunday hunting was landowner opposition to it: 80% of farmers and landowners surveyed indicated they oppose or strongly oppose such a move.

During the last conflict over Sunday hunting, George “Jerry” Barnett, a member of PFB’s Wildlife Committee from northcentral PA, asked farmers at the Tioga/Potter County Farm Bureau summer picnic how they would respond if Sunday hunting was allowed. The farmers indicated they would post several thousand acres of land off limits to hunting. While only about 25 farms were represented in Barnett’s survey, he believes it provides an accurate “snapshot” of the depth of farmers’ opposition to Sunday hunting in his area of the state.

If another battle is coming over Sunday hunting, PFB plans to once again robustly defend farmers’ property rights and quality of life. “Our members’ policy on Sunday hunting is pretty clear,” said Shaffer. “We are anticipating a stronger push for it this time, and when it comes we will need our members’ involvement in telling their legislators why Sunday hunting is unwelcome in Pennsylvania. It will be needed for another victory.”


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Exactly ! OH,NY,and WV are more than happy NOT to see Sunday hunting in Pa. Many have chose other states to hunt rather PA. The numbers will only continue to grow. These states are more than happy to take the money from Pa residents.

And theres a good chance they be getting even more as our deer herd goes further down the chitter.

ORIGINAL: wayne c

Dpms, thats pure bull-. Every time someone doesnt agree with you, whether its sunday hunting, deer management, or anything else..

Its not always due to "lack of education" on the topic. There are people here that are just as educated as you on these topics and probably even moreso in the case of some, that are gonna disagree with you on issues. Lets not be completely ridiculous and condescending here.

Come on, Wayne. No need to go personal.   I don't, and I was not referring to most of the members of this board who happen to be up on these things.

The fact is that many hunters falsely assume that the PGC having regulatory of Sunday hunting equates to the addition of Sundays to all existing seasons.  The percent of non-hunters that hold the same false assumptions would be even higher.  I see it every day.

Take it personal if you want, I won't partake...

yada yada yada, But our neighboring states (which are mostly farmers) support Sunday hunting ! What wrong with this picture. Wake up PA !!!

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

Asked about support for Sunday hunting.. here's what obne said on the fisheries committee...

No, says state Rep. Gordon Denlinger of Narvon, Lancaster County's lone legislator on the crucial Game and Fisheries Committee.

An occasional hunter, Denlinger says he won't support any Sunday hunting bill as long as his farming constituency opposes it.

"I think farmers feel they don't want their Sundays taken over by hunters who are all over their farms," he says.

Denlinger also worries that the Game Commission would be spread thin if Sunday hunting is added. Other services provided by the agency would be slowed, he thinks.

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

I have posted that I feel the PGC itself knows this Sunday hunting is suicide..

here's what a spokeman states ===

Jerry Feaser ==

"we have said that Sunday hunting is a societal issue that needs to be decided by the Legislature and the public in general,"

That sure does not sound like === okay bring it -- on we want that under regulatory control too....

Yep.  That was said and there continues to be some within the PGC that feel that way. 

Now, there are also some whose views differ.   As I said before, this is a uphill climb with a good chance not reaching the summitt in the near future.  That is okay of at least the issue is being discussed presently within the agency.

"The fact is that many hunters falsely assume that the PGC having regulatory of Sunday hunting equates to the addition of Sundays to all existing seasons."

No. I think most are right on the nose given the "probability" of it, or at the very, very least, higher likelihood than currently. And that included people from the support and nonsupport camps. I see you havent even tried to refute that fact, but instead dance around the issue avoiding it throwing out nonsense about people being "uneducated". lol

"The percent of non-hunters that hold the same false assumptions would be even higher."

Even though you have strong emotional ties to this issue, lets still try to keep the truth the truth here. There is no reason to believe anyone "less educated" would support sunday hunting or not support it....any more or less.

But you may as well just come right out and say you want and support sunday hunting. Youre entitled to, and i have no problem with even though i disagree. The woodpile gang isnt supporting it for any other reason than to counter the recent "changes" and the notion that the herd may have actually increased in a few areas (gasp). And i dont think all 6 members of the Pa crossbow federation are supporting it because they want to be told "no sunday hunting" by pgc instead of legislators. lol. And im so sure its not about deer..they want to shoot tree weasels and waterfowl with their xguns.


"Take it personal if you want, I won't partake..."

Its not a matter of how i want to take it. Its a matter of how it was intended, and you already did "partake" by initiating it... And thats fine... Im not trying to bash you, but im sure as heck gonna refute the nonsense... Argue your point on its merits.

OA,
On a serious note...

If you continue to stalk some members on these message boards your account will be terminated. 
I'm not telling you again.


Ironhed

I would like to know who thinks I'm a stalker besides Ironhed ?

Look O.A. lets' get this over with.. you are really slimsky or so close to him that you too cannot stand me.. This started a few years ago at huntingpa and he got smashed there and he blamed me... and IMHO you are carrying his "torch"...


I don't know how you found this site but you're here at least for now... and 99% of everything you post is directed at me, RSB, or the PGC ...

RSB and I take our shots and receive them... but at least we present a defense.. you on the other hand are ALWAYS in the attck mode, and a search of all your posts would prove that to anyone caring to look.. and when questiond you hide behind .. you don't want to say who it was that said that, or it's no ones business, etc...

I really enjoy the back and forths and occasionnaly get P.O. but just like the others we are stead-fast in our postions and do our best at presenting them and quote, links etc to back them up.. it's called "heated debate" ..

If some think I'm an arse so be it.. I'll still post my opinions.... some of the opposing side (I'm sure) know at times I think they are an arse too.. but in the end we all respect each other and each others opinion...



Here's a perfect example of heated debate and some insults and the results that CAN come from them...

Bings and others put me thru the coals about some of my fishing pics.. but REST ASSURED after the debate and some time thinking about it .. at the eand of last season and this year you'll not see pics of fish laying on rocks or on the ground..

debate is not always bad as long as it has input from both side..... and does not fall into nothing but insults..

so see how long you can IGNORE ME without the insults.. probaly not more than 4 hours , will be my quess....

have a good day =========

I would like to know who thinks I'm a stalker besides Ironhed ?

It doesn't really matter, he is the one packin the gun.

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

I'd like to post a portion of that link that supports what I said about most non-hunters accepting the PGC and hunting... but notice what the priority is when it comes to making those more important that their own thoughts on other subjects (and I am sure Sunday hunting would be one of them).

There is a broad consensus that deer densities in Pennsylvania are too high from the forest
ecosystem perspective, a position accepted by some members of the Pennsylvania Game
Commission (P.G.C.) staff,1 at times by P.G.C. commissioners themselves,2 and by much of the
public at large.3 A statewide survey of randomly selected Pennsylvania households conducted in
December 20034 indicates that 74% of respondents are at least somewhat familiar with P.G.C.
and 64% are aware of Pennsylvania’s deer program. Approximately 19% of respondents
indicated that they hunt and 81% supported or did not disapprove of hunting. This level of
support for hunting agrees with a 19965 survey conducted by Responsive Management
(Harrisonburg, Virginia) on behalf of P.G.C. in which 84% of Pennsylvania respondents
supported or did not disapprove of hunting activities. When asked to rate their level of agreement with potential goals on a 10-point scale (with 10 signifying complete agreement with the goal),6 respondents’ top-ranked goals were “manage deer herd numbers to promote healthy and
sustainable forests” (average score 7.5) followed by “manage deer herd numbers making
minimum conflicts with humans” (6.4).

In the same survey, “manage deer herd numbers making
hunting activities the priority” was ranked as lowest in priority (5.9).

 
Doc,
 
I hope you don't take this as stalking,  I'm just trying to follow your logic.
 
I did not know the information that you have in this post, thanks for posting it.  I did not realize that the non-hunting public was so against Sunday hunting.  I would tend to think that if they don't participate, they don't care what hunters do.  Apparently I was incorrect.
 
That being written, let me ask a few questions.
 
Of the 80% of non-hunters that do not approve of Sunday hunting, are 100% of them land owners?  Doubtful.
 
However, even if 100% of the nonhunters that oppose Sunday hunting were land owners, are 100% of them owners of huntable land?  Again, because most nonhunters tend not to be rural folks, doubtful.
 
However, just for fun, let's say that 100% of nonhunters that are opposed to Sunday hunting are land owners AND 100% of them own huntable land, do 100% of them currently permit hunting on their ground?  Doubtful.
 
However, again just for giggles, let's say that 100% of nonhunters that oppose Sunday hunting are landowners AND 100% of them own huntable land AND 100% of them currently permit hunting on their ground AND they permit hunting on their ground SOLEY because Sunday hunting is currently not permitted, will 100% of them close their ground if Sunday hunting were permitted?  Doubtful.
 
I agree with you that some percentage of the non-hunting public that currently supported or did not disapprove of hunting would close their land if Sunday hunting were permitted, as would a percentage of the hunting land owners, but after putting the logic through the little question and answer test, that percentage would be rather small, not the apocolyptic number you are thinking of.
 
What has to be weighed then, is this -- Is the cost of the loss of a certain percentage of huntable land due to the inclusion of Sunday hunting greater to, equal to, or less than the benefit for average PA hunters as a whole if they were to be able to add an extra nonwork days to their hunting opportunities?
 
 

No problem gene... you're input is always welcome there