I did not catch alot of it either.. had to go get my truck from the repair shop
did experience a first fro me though...

I watched as a guy nominated HIMSELF for vice-president.... and in the final vote he got ONE VOTE.. HIS ...


2F to split season.. stay tuned for that one.. I'll be able to give a first hand look at how that is working .... will not effect me much now that I have my trusty crossbow

I'll just shoot does in archery and hunt alot harder this coming year in the fall senior antlerless hunt.. maybe take all three days vacation .....and sit out rifle season...

ORIGINAL: S-10
The vote was 8-0 on 3 up.

 
 Wow.  I'd say its gonna pass.  Remains to be seen if folks in the current three point areas are gonna ask for "two up" with time once the word gets out. 

It seems the 2012 review of crossguns may already be a foregone conclusion. They had a bit of discussion on the drawloc as it pertained to the current wording of bows, etc, and during it 2 of the BOC commented they didn't expect to reverse the crossgun ruling.

The thing I found interesting was in spite of all the folks claiming they were going their own way and disregarding their biologists yada, yada, not only didn't that happen but in all but two votes they voted 8-0 for the changes. If they had any major problems they must have sorted them out in private.
There were really no major surprises either although I don't know what happens in their private Exectuive meeting which is going on now.

".....and sit out rifle season... "
 
Good strategy Doc.
 
Do you think that the 70% of PA hunters, those that hunt with a gun only, ought to go that route as well?

Do you think that the 70% of PA hunters, those that hunt with a gun only, ought to go that route as well?

To each his own ..

I was being a little sarcastic... BTW ...

I have already mentioned that I would NOT pass on does in archery and hunt harder in senior season if they split the season in 2F and I know others will do the same...as for percentages.. who cares.... splitting the season in 2F is NOT going to make the 12% - 20% saving it has in other units.... just too many females running around here... tags will be filled... and as a result the buck harvest may well go up too because of the war on that first Saturday...


from working that day I can tell you .. just about everyone who is "up here" for opening day is here for the first saturday also...


If I have my two deer before rifle season.. I'll just sit behind the house and see if a buck happens by... no big deal .. but I would still want to be in the woods with the other guys radio chatting etc... (tradition)

after that I'll stay home and relax and eat venison..


the BOC should have waited another year to see how the changes worked out this year for the ones they added .. but live and learn BOC .....

I missed all the deer stuff myself ...

what does this mean ??

""PGC doesn't lower the reporting rate for last year""

how can the PGC lower the reporting rate ?????

Was he talking about report cards and on-line reporting required to be done by the HUNTERS ????


what a joke.. the PGC can not lower that it's up to the hunters to report what they did...

but maybe I mis-understand what he was asking for ?????

what world does he live in... so glad he will be leaving soon !!!!!



no one gets any where near 100% reporting rate and many states say we are doing as good if not better than most ???

Doc-- did you hear what he said there at the end? The way I understood what he was saying (and I would like someone else to confirm) is he/they must already have the raw reported deer harvest numbers but not what the PGC has determined to be the percent reporting rate for the season. Unless the percent reporting rate was determined to be lower last year than in previous years the estimated buck harvest is pretty dismal. That is what I took from the statement.

Well doc, whatsa matter, cat got your tongue? I didnt get to hear what s10 is talking about and he doesnt seem 100% certain and has asked for input. Im eager to hear confirmation or refuting of what s-10 has said.

--Sorry, I was posting while you were Doc. Disregard. I see youd rather not comment anyway. lol.

"Clear Creek State Forest has plenty (they even have DMAPS for the entire area except the park itself), SGL#54, SGL#44 all have plenty of deer... and I know of several farms that are open to hunting that have deer that are being shot for crop damage every year still...."

And it took you how many trips and how many hours to secure doe, on the last day I believe?

And it took you how many trips and how many hours to secure doe, on the last day I believe?

Dars...
January 10th was not the last day around here ???


what does how many hours or days it took me to harvest a deer have to do with how many deer are in the area ????

I know hundreds of guys who do not kill a deer everytime they go into the woods and there's plenty on here that post they do not even see deer every trip out ????

what's you point.. what does my season have to do with the number of deer in the area.. ??

I even posted about passing on deer.. so still do not see you point? other than once again an attempt to attack my opinions...


Read the posts I have made about my seasons.. ====
I saw plenty of deer and that's all I am saying there are plenty of deer in most of 2F...

how many I killed or how many hours I hunted have NOTHING to do with how many deer live here .... there is still enough here that I got TWO and passed on some while archery hunting..just like every year since HR.. one with a crossbow one with a truck

you guys are really fixed on attacking me .. it's almost comical..




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Well doc, whatsa matter, cat got your tongue? I didnt get to hear what s10 is talking about and he doesnt seem 100% certain and has asked for input. Im eager to hear confirmation or refuting of what s-10 has said.

--Sorry, I was posting while you were Doc. Disregard. I see youd rather not comment anyway. lol.

Well Wayne, whatsa matter, can't read ??


As any intelligent person can see (or should have read ) I did answer S-10 ==
by saying - I did not see it all, missed the deer stuff. or I missed that part ....


GHEZZZZ....







I just love it when you guys don't read the posts just jump in and attack...

S-10 asked a question of someone who could answer or me if I knew....

Here's my posts about the meeting today and answer to his his question = ..

I did not catch alot of it either.. had to go get my truck from the repair shop

I missed all the deer stuff

I did not hear that part

S-10..

not sure about my prediction .. I know it was not too bad around here weather wise.. so that will not play into the results..

I talked to lots of guys that were successful.. so not sure..

but I could easily be wrong.. but at least I went out on the limb long before the seasons started..

I was counting on alot of the ones not shot in 2009 getting whacked in 2010, but not sure if it's going to be the needed 17,000...

at least I went out on the limb and made a prediction before any seasons started...
even if it turns out wrong...


BTW.. what was your prediction ????? oh wait === you never made one, so you knew you were "safe" no matter what it was

I have actually previously predicted a slight increase in buck harvest compared to last coupleof years. Though that isnt saying much. I did because of the PERFECT weather conditions.

If the harvest is lower than those rock bottom totals, then its gonna be completely ridiculous. On the other hand, Id actually like to see a buck harvest hit another modern day low, especially if under 100k. Maybe that slap in the face will finally be enough for the powers that be to take actually meaningful actions.

Care to comment on why he stated the number the buck harvest would be under if the reporting rate didn't change. Did he just pull that number out of his hat? My take was he had raw data but didn't have the reporting rate. Why else would he make that statement.That is why I asked for confirmation from someone else and said it was my take on it. They should have some Idea of raw data, after all the PGC has a new computer system and the reporting deadline has passed.

BTY- a one percent drop in the reporting rate is about 2400 animals added to the estimated harvest at the current reporting rate and harvest numbers

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

And it took you how many trips and how many hours to secure doe, on the last day I believe?

Dars...
January 10th was not the last day around here ???


what does how many hours or days it took me to harvest a deer have to do with how many deer are in the area ????

I know hundreds of guys who do not kill a deer everytime they go into the woods and there's plenty on here that post they do not even see deer every trip out ????

what's you point.. what does my season have to do with the number of deer in the area.. ??

I even posted about passing on deer.. so still do not see you point? other than once again an attempt to attack my opinions...


Read the posts I have made about my seasons.. ====
I saw plenty of deer and that's all I am saying there are plenty of deer in most of 2F...

how many I killed or how many hours I hunted have NOTHING to do with how many deer live here .... there is still enough here that I got TWO and passed on some while archery hunting..just like every year since HR.. one with a crossbow one with a truck

you guys are really fixed on attacking me .. it's almost comical..




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Well doc, whatsa matter, cat got your tongue? I didnt get to hear what s10 is talking about and he doesnt seem 100% certain and has asked for input. Im eager to hear confirmation or refuting of what s-10 has said.

--Sorry, I was posting while you were Doc. Disregard. I see youd rather not comment anyway. lol.

Well Wayne, whatsa matter, can't read ??


As any intelligent person can see (or should have read ) I did answer S-10 ==
by saying - I did not see it all, missed the deer stuff. or I missed that part ....


GHEZZZZ....







I just love it when you guys don't read the posts just jump in and attack...

S-10 asked a question of someone who could answer or me if I knew....

Here's my posts about the meeting today and answer to his his question = ..

I did not catch alot of it either.. had to go get my truck from the repair shop

I missed all the deer stuff

I did not hear that part

 
I guess what is comical to me is that you state that there are "lots of deer" yet it took you 130 hours of hunting I believe to harvest a single doe.  Back when there WERE lots of deer, I am pretty sure that it didn't take me 130 hours to harvest 28 BUCKS.
 
Maybe its just that we have a different definition of "lots."
 
Who knows, you might be a fan of the mathematical system of the Yamamama tribe which goes like this -- 1, 2, many.  The "many" changed to "lots" when it was lost in translation.