Lead

Just got a disturbing email from Cabelas which said that the courts may let the ban on lead apply to fishing. There's a form on the Cabelas web site to protest this matter.

Boy do we ever need to down size government by like 50%? There are just too many people with too much time on their hands and making tooooo much money!

http://capwiz.com/keepamericafishing/issues/alert/?alertid=16355526&cmCat=email&cm_cat=6089&cm_ven=email-nl&cm_pla=HA-0100&cm_ite=16355526&eid=11623180&cmp=I100902A&seg=FI1&cnt=6089&ctb=16355526

I am all for it, if it is good for the future of the environment.

Tons of lead being dropped to the bottom of our water cant be a good thing.

It doesn't hurt much of anything . What we should be watching is the folks that dump old car batteries out at the end of a pasture about the same amount of lead in a stream in a given year .

Seriously it came from the earth , fish do not eat it , and won't hurt you unless YOU eat it ......

The cost is 6-15 times greater for alternatives . If you wanna use alternatives do it ...

If you wanna support it do it but I see NO upsides to this except capital gains for inside traders and crippling sportsmen even further . Especially ones that quible over having to buy all these stamps and a license to fish .

The only way I would support it is if the extra 6-15% it generates goes back into OUR fisheries ; not into the pockets of one or all of our already too many representatives in government .

SSSHHHH big brother is watching

Dream Catcher: A lot of things come from the earth that don't belong in our waterways in the concentrations that WE cause them to be there in. So the fish in the great lakes are naturally unhealthy for human consumption? I mean mercury is from the earth, so its not a big deal right?

I already use tin split shot and brass and copper beads.

I already use tin split shot and brass and copper beads.

On August 23, 2010, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency was petitioned by the Center for Biological Diversity and others to ban lead from ammunition and fishing tackle, including sinkers, jigs, weighted fly lines and components containing lead, such as brass and ballast in lures, spinners, stick baits and other fishing products

"To enhance the machinability of brass, lead is often added in concentrations of around 2%. Since lead has a lower melting point than the other constituents of the brass, it tends to migrate towards the grain boundaries in the form of globules as it cools from casting. The pattern the globules form on the surface of the brass increases the available lead surface area which in turn affects the degree of leaching. In addition, cutting operations can smear the lead globules over the surface. These effects can lead to significant lead leaching from brasses of comparatively low lead content"

i don't believe the sinkers on the bottom of lakes and rivers pose anymore of a threat than the boats that are laying on the bottoms

ORIGINAL: psu_fish

ORIGINAL: SonofZ3

Dream Catcher: A lot of things come from the earth that don't belong in our waterways in the concentrations that WE cause them to be there in. So the fish in the great lakes are naturally unhealthy for human consumption? I mean mercury is from the earth, so its not a big deal right?

I already use tin split shot and brass and copper beads.

CFL lightbulbs are a big source of Mercury (Hg)

post edited by psu_fish - 2010/09/02 23:08:02

ORIGINAL: saltydog

"it doesn't hurt much of anything"

That's what they said about ddt when they were spraying it all over everything.

The cost argument is far fetched too. What's the cost increase? 50 percent, maybe a hundred percent? So a pack of shot goes from a dollar to two dollars ( I know that is not accurate, its just an example.)

I don't think the issue is about big government telling the consumer what they can and can't buy. It's more about a society finally taking responsibility for their actions. One small step a time.

You're comparing Apples to Oranges . Liquid seaps into ground water ; lead sinkers / shot developes a film of oxgenation over time around the heavy metal that insulates the toxicity to some extent.

You're ignoring the actual point I was making, which is that its the quantity that becomes the issue, not the natural origin of the substance. You even point out that lead is in paint in SMALLER QUANTITIES. Why do think that is? Maybe because the concentration of lead in paint was leading to too many people becoming sick? The same concept applies in other cases as well.

By your logic the quantity of something being put into the ecosystem doesn't matter as long as it occurs naturally. We all eat a certain ammount of salt in our food, and it occurs naturally. Since the quantity doesn't really matter, you shouldn't have a problem eating 5 or 6 pounds of table salt a day right? I mean it occurs naturally. Or would it make sense to limit that intake?

ORIGINAL: SonofZ3

You're ignoring the actual point I was making, which is that its the quantity that becomes the issue, not the natural origin of the substance. You even point out that lead is in paint in SMALLER QUANTITIES. Why do think that is? Maybe because the concentration of lead in paint was leading to too many people becoming sick? The same concept applies in other cases as well.

By your logic the quantity of something being put into the ecosystem doesn't matter as long as it occurs naturally. We all eat a certain ammount of salt in our food, and it occurs naturally. Since the quantity doesn't really matter, you shouldn't have a problem eating 5 or 6 pounds of table salt a day right? I mean it occurs naturally. Or would it make sense to limit that intake?

i'm going to go out on a rope here and say the answer you're looking for is "it would make sense to limit that intake."  But your keyword in that statement is limit... not completely eliminate.

paint could have 50% lead and if you dont ingest it or decided to take power sander to it  and breathe it in without a breathing appartaus you wont get sick

ORIGINAL: psu_fish

paint could have 50% lead and if you dont ingest it or decided to take power sander to it  and breathe it in without a breathing appartaus you wont get sick

So whats your point? That lead paint should be brought back? That lead paint isn't actually dangerous?

ORIGINAL: Dream Catcher

+ 351,000,000 I believe it's more like 90% and for example here's another stuipid sign taxes paid for and we have to look at .

Can I park my truck there? 21 mpg for a 1 ton is pretty efficient...

There are probably other things that could be done to have a higher impact on heavy metal polution than banning lead in fishing.

Someone mentioned DDT, at least it worked when used properly. We now have less effective chemicals that are used at higher concentrations and probably causing more problems (we just don't know it yet). There are some insect bourne diseases that were nearly eradicated during DDT usage that are now on the rise and killing people in other countries. Lead paints were much more durable than the paint on the market today, not a big deal with interior house paints but when it comes to bridges and industrial painting that's a big part of it. If you come up with a new paint that's only half as toxic as the lead based paint but you have to repaint 4 times as often what did you save? There is lead in brass and bronze, cobalt probably wouldn't do you any good if you eat it either. There's probably more toxins in one load of frac water that gets illegally dumped than the 100 years worth of split shot on the bottom of the creek. (Deep Breath) Having said all of that, I probably haven't contributed a half pound of lead by fishing in my life...

The key with anything hazardous is responsible use.