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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 18:44:05 (permalink)
I did buy my 20 in PA.  It was less than the OH dealer?
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 18:52:18 (permalink)
good deal. the only dealer ive found to be realistic/compareable in pa to ohio $$$ is Boat-Fish-Fun Shop in New Stanton/Mt. Pleasant area but they deal in bass boats rather than multi-species boats...and i wasnt buying a honda so i didnt compare pa and ohio $$$.
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 19:07:36 (permalink)
Back to psu post.

I have been in your position, before you make your mind up you need to ask is it worth buying new (or used) motor for your boat? Let me say if you plan on droping (guess) 1000$ on a good motor, maybe buying a better boat (not saying your is bad, i have never seen it, probably never will) But you could take that money and get a real nice boat for 2000$ or less.

Remember buying a motor, just a motor is costly. But getting a boat, trailer, and good motor is just a little more than the motor, sometime less.

Some might not like what i have to say (heaven forbid anyone says honda have issues), but i know a fella how has a Honda motor, small motor. He has had problems with it, not major, but the pain in the butt problems. Carb keeps packing up and those little guys are tricky, somthing that the average guy in the drive way should not try to tackle. What it boils down to is crappy fuel. I could go into more detail but not necessary. Point of story it does not matter brand, they all break (or have issues) at one time or another.

IMO the best small motors are the late 80's earlie 90's merc 9.9s. Have have had two of them, still own the one. I have not found a more easiely starting, simple layout bare bones work motor out there. At idle you can not hear them run, sip the fuel, great motors. I have a 9.9 four stroke rude on my erie boat and if i did not have to change out controls i would put that merc on it in a heart beat.

With all the motors there are trade offs. You can buy what you want, i just was filling you in on what i have seen and lived. but remember you have other options other than just buying a new outboard
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 19:27:57 (permalink)

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I like my nissan marine 8 HP longshaft / electric start / w alternator / tiller .... Bought it online for $1875 out the door included shipping and ( no tax) from tennessee had the motor 4 days after I ordered ....... Same motor as the Tohatsu ( same manufacturer ) Do online search there are multiple companies that ship to your door free ..... DC

good advice. when its time for a new kicker it will most likely be bought online.

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 20:16:16 (permalink)
Read this over and see if this might be your problem:
 
Things are Getting Wierd - 1976 15 Hp Evinrude

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 21:14:01 (permalink)

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Back to psu post.

I have been in your position, before you make your mind up you need to ask is it worth buying new (or used) motor for your boat? Let me say if you plan on droping (guess) 1000$ on a good motor, maybe buying a better boat (not saying your is bad, i have never seen it, probably never will) But you could take that money and get a real nice boat for 2000$ or less.

Remember buying a motor, just a motor is costly. But getting a boat, trailer, and good motor is just a little more than the motor, sometime less.

Some might not like what i have to say (heaven forbid anyone says honda have issues), but i know a fella how has a Honda motor, small motor. He has had problems with it, not major, but the pain in the butt problems. Carb keeps packing up and those little guys are tricky, somthing that the average guy in the drive way should not try to tackle. What it boils down to is crappy fuel. I could go into more detail but not necessary. Point of story it does not matter brand, they all break (or have issues) at one time or another.

IMO the best small motors are the late 80's earlie 90's merc 9.9s. Have have had two of them, still own the one. I have not found a more easiely starting, simple layout bare bones work motor out there. At idle you can not hear them run, sip the fuel, great motors. I have a 9.9 four stroke rude on my erie boat and if i did not have to change out controls i would put that merc on it in a heart beat.

With all the motors there are trade offs. You can buy what you want, i just was filling you in on what i have seen and lived. but remember you have other options other than just buying a new outboard





I know the feeling, I ve been thinking of making the jump for a while now and seeing the $2499 price tag on a 9.9 4- stroke Merc at Gander Mt. makes me think some more lol
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 21:21:58 (permalink)
too much. thats 15-20hp $$$. just sayin'
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 21:24:20 (permalink)
The money you spend is your own, try not to spend good money after bad. Thats why i always try to show people they have options when it comes to buying items, look at all your options before spending. Good luck kid
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/12 21:30:09 (permalink)

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too much. thats 15-20hp $$$. just sayin'





for sure, Gander Mt likes to get suckers. I'll never buy an outboard from big box mart
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 07:19:04 (permalink)
Last year, the Washington Gander had 20hp Yammie 4 strokes for $2450.  If I was in the market, I would have jumped all over that, I have a friend that did.  That was $1000 less than any Yammie dealer around, PA or OH.
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 08:26:42 (permalink)

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Ok so I'm getting fed up with my old Johnson 9.9 2-stroke and I wanna switch over to a 4 stroke. This would be for a Alumacraft 14 foot semi V. Basically looking to find something more reliable as I have had my fair share of headaches with this old 2 stroke. I want an outboard that will just fire up and go

I really like Honda small engines but never owned a outbaord from them. Tohatsu seemed to be cheaper in price but are they too low in price? Yahama and Merc are quailty names as well.

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 09:13:26 (permalink)
LMAO!

That's great....
I'm gonna have to sing that jingle to the Mrs....
next time we take my old Johnson out.

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 09:45:21 (permalink)
I have a honda 7.5 1974 that I use , it runs great all day on about a gallon of gas. The onlly problem I've had is it needed a valve adjustment was very easy to do. Very quiet, starts easy,no smoke or smell.They make a great 4-stroke
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 09:50:58 (permalink)
 Gotta love your Johnson.

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 11:23:38 (permalink)
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Four strokes are great motors. The thing you must consider is weight. They are much heavier than two strokes and will push your boat slower than a 2 stroke. If trolling is what you do most a small 4 stroke could be you. A properly tuned 2 stroke would be my choice for a primary motor on a 14ft. When setup right and maintained they perform well. Once warmed up and the proper mix, fumes dont seem to be a issue and they will run at idle for hours. As far a brands well its like everything else, Ford are better than Chevys. This debate could go on forever. As far as a used 2 stroke Johnson/Evinrude would be my choice. Different STROKES for different folks!!

curious as to what motor/s you own/run?

back in the day, weight/speed was a factor. now its a 15-35 lb difference on the smaller outboards.

jmo but i wouldnt consider ever buying a used johnson/evinrude 2-stroke. while its true they were/are great motors, and ive owned many, and its all ive ever owned until i bought my merc. johnson/evinrude going bankrupt, being taken over by bomabardier/can-am, and back to johnson/eveinrude again, has caused a huge issue in the lack of parts and service for older 2-stroke "johnsonrudes".

 
I guess I have just been lucky.  I have been able to find everything I needed for my 15 hp Johnson and my dads 9.9 Rude online on Ebay, mostly.  I have been able to get OEM parts but there are plenty of options listed for Sierra parts, too.
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 13:07:12 (permalink)
my ultimate dream would be that Pymy and Wilhelm would be raised to 25 HP limit so I could go buy a 2010 Alumacraft 160 CS with 25 HP Yamaha and trailer for $8595
 
 
 
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 15:34:12 (permalink)
They sell 20 hp stickers
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 15:50:09 (permalink)
Does the PBFC check motor numbers to determine hp rating ??
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They sell 20 hp stickers

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 17:26:00 (permalink)
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my ultimate dream would be that Pymy and Wilhelm would be raised to 25 HP limit so I could go buy a 2010 Alumacraft 160 CS with 25 HP Yamaha and trailer for $8595


Just change that to a 20.......the price should come down some too.
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 17:27:31 (permalink)
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Four strokes are great motors. The thing you must consider is weight. They are much heavier than two strokes and will push your boat slower than a 2 stroke. If trolling is what you do most a small 4 stroke could be you. A properly tuned 2 stroke would be my choice for a primary motor on a 14ft. When setup right and maintained they perform well. Once warmed up and the proper mix, fumes dont seem to be a issue and they will run at idle for hours. As far a brands well its like everything else, Ford are better than Chevys. This debate could go on forever. As far as a used 2 stroke Johnson/Evinrude would be my choice. Different STROKES for different folks!!

curious as to what motor/s you own/run?

back in the day, weight/speed was a factor. now its a 15-35 lb difference on the smaller outboards.

jmo but i wouldnt consider ever buying a used johnson/evinrude 2-stroke. while its true they were/are great motors, and ive owned many, and its all ive ever owned until i bought my merc. johnson/evinrude going bankrupt, being taken over by bomabardier/can-am, and back to johnson/eveinrude again, has caused a huge issue in the lack of parts and service for older 2-stroke "johnsonrudes".


I guess I have just been lucky.  I have been able to find everything I needed for my 15 hp Johnson and my dads 9.9 Rude online on Ebay, mostly.  I have been able to get OEM parts but there are plenty of options listed for Sierra parts, too.

what is Sierra parts?

what ive needed done that i couldnt do myself i had done at a recently closed marine dealership. place sold out. i only know of 1 place thats willing to work on them anymore. theyre great motors, just a dying breed.
post edited by **commander** - 2010/07/13 17:28:46

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 19:18:10 (permalink)
What type of work did you have done?
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 19:29:06 (permalink)

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my ultimate dream would be that Pymy and Wilhelm would be raised to 25 HP limit so I could go buy a 2010 Alumacraft 160 CS with 25 HP Yamaha and trailer for $8595


Just change that to a 20.......the price should come down some too.





Yup that was first thought too, no need to pay for extra 5hp when its illegal..though those lakes can handle 25
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/13 20:22:51 (permalink)
I have an 07 Tohastsu tiller 18HP 4stroke and have put aloooooot of hours on it and have no problems to report to you at the moment. Starts the 2nd pull and sips fuel. I also run a 9.9 4 stroke honda that i believe is a 1989 and still running strong. For a smaller motor i personally wouldnt go with a 2 stroke these days, if it was a bigger motor thats a little different story. If your running a tiller your head will thank you when not having to deal with all the fumes of the 2 strokes and your ears wont ring after a day of fishing...

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/14 00:25:17 (permalink)

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What type of work did you have done?

the last thing i had replaced was a shift/shaft seal. took the lower unit off myself and had the seal replaced.

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/14 08:36:10 (permalink)
commander,
Sierra is the after market line of parts for a lot of outboards, Johnson and Evinrude included.
 
 
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/14 13:56:49 (permalink)
Sounds like time for plugs, points and a carb kit.
New internal fuel lines would be a good recommendation also...ethanol has done it's nasty deed to your outboard!

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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/14 14:46:27 (permalink)
I could be out of bounds here and correct me if I am. What is your repair dealer of choice and how would you rate them as far as the repair being done right, price, and time to accomplish repair?
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/15 16:09:42 (permalink)

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Does the PBFC check motor numbers to determine hp rating ??
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They sell 20 hp stickers





There is a chance that you could be busted. I would guess that before Pymie was changed to 20hp, there were more motors over 10 hp on it than there were under 10. There were guys running 25 hp Merc 2 strokes with 9.9 stickers on them, they were VERY obviously large but with the advent of 4 strokes even 9.9s look alot bigger than they used to. To my knowledge no one has been busted for a re-stickered motor on there...
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RE: kicking the 2 stroke 2010/07/15 16:24:20 (permalink)
I could be out of bounds here and correct me if I am. What is your repair dealer of choice and how would you rate them as far as the repair being done right, price, and time to accomplish repair?

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They meant Fri -they needed to order a carb kit
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Picked up boat 16 days later and it runs great
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