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    mikeg
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 16:27:31 (permalink)
    $3.38 per trout.....Dam, I need to get into the trout raising bizz!!!!
     

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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 17:06:15 (permalink)
    All i got to say is what the heck does the trout stamp pay for because if that isn't going toward the trout than i think we are all getting riped off
     

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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 17:12:59 (permalink)
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    All i got to say is what the heck does the trout stamp pay for because if that isn't going toward the trout than i think we are all getting riped off



    what part of the article made you believe that money is no longer going toward trout stamps?
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 17:35:48 (permalink)
    Like everything else,price keeps going up.The bad thing is Tellico put's in some nice fish.Hopefully this will all lead to getting rid of the opening day madhouse and have an open season.No matter what is done,everyone will not be happy.PA is largely a put-take fishery,in my opinion due to the revenue it creates,they seem to have no problum spitting numbers on how much it costs to stock fish,never seem to see how much money is brought in,not only from license,trout stamps,state &federal funds,how much the fisherman spends on tackle,which get's taxed and ends up right back in Harrisburg to be blown on something else.We do have a great fishery in this state,just expect it to get cut like everything else.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 17:46:52 (permalink)
    either way, they're cutting back 150,000 fish out of 3 million? 
    that's a fairly minimal cutback.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 19:56:39 (permalink)
    my question is how they pfbc can dump 150000 to 200000 trout in keystone power dam and not spread them out to trout approved waters? sure there are short one but some of them are over the seven in limit basically this is just feed for the bigger fish in there who raised these fish to this size?
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 20:01:59 (permalink)
    its a 5 percent cut back not a real big drop at all.Now if the Fish commision would be more fair and let the western countys acualy get more bigger fish. insted of most of the mid state streams getting all the best fish.Am real sick of hearing and seeinmg the biggest come out of the same streams year after year while we get the runts..just not fair..

    SO MANY FISH SO LITTLE TIME.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 20:56:14 (permalink)
    How many years in a row will they stick it to us?  First they introduced the trout stamp, then they reduced the limit from 8 to 5, then they went on the "fewer but bigger fish" marketing campaign which materialized into fewer trout but not bigger, and now it is just a cut in the number of stocked fish.  It really ****es you off.

    I wish they'd stock the better streams in the state with more fish and cut out the fall stockings.  People are into hunting, football, and steelhead in the fall.  When I go to recently stocked streams in the fall they are often empty and stinking with fish, most of which wont survive the winter in the bodies of water they put them in. I also am not a big fan of stocking trout in lakes as many become food or die because of stagnant water and poor water quality.
    post edited by SteelPerch - 2009/03/03 20:57:29
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 21:24:09 (permalink)
    mx, Go to the PFC home page, click on annual report, you should find most of the figures you are looking for. Since both the fish comm. & the Game comm. are independently audited I would guess that the figures are legit.   sam
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 21:46:16 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: SteelPerch

    How many years in a row will they stick it to us?  First they introduced the trout stamp, then they reduced the limit from 8 to 5, then they went on the "fewer but bigger fish" marketing campaign which materialized into fewer trout but not bigger, and now it is just a cut in the number of stocked fish.  It really ****es you off.

    I wish they'd stock the better streams in the state with more fish and cut out the fall stockings.  People are into hunting, football, and steelhead in the fall.  When I go to recently stocked streams in the fall they are often empty and stinking with fish, most of which wont survive the winter in the bodies of water they put them in. I also am not a big fan of stocking trout in lakes as many become food or die because of stagnant water and poor water quality.

    First off I fish year round so a fall stocking is nice for some. Also the best thing they could have done was reduced the limit from 8 to 5. I am also a fan of the less fish but bigger fish idea(last couple of years really didn't see that big of a difference). They had a pretty good reason for the cut back so what do you do, and its not really that big of a cut back. Last I think all people have different views on what streams are better, depends on what you like to fish.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 22:21:43 (permalink)
    I think they stock smaller ones than what they used to and definatly less.  I still fish for stockies on opening day and maybe a day or two the following week since my pap loves trout (I pefer carp, pike, and catfish instead) and someone needs to make sure he doesn't fall in! But I think hes going to give up fishing altogether pushing 90 and he can't walk the streams like he used to unless I take him to the mad house Yough Outflow or Laurel Hill Dam.  I didn't care for lowering the limit per day they should have just keep it at eight.  I'm a fan of stocking lakes with trout especially when there's big pike in them !

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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 22:31:21 (permalink)
    not a big cut back from last year but when u look at the numbers from 5 or so years ago it is a big drop off.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/03 22:39:36 (permalink)
    C&R and you'll have fish to fish for through the late spring/early summer.
    Limit your creel not your catch.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/04 00:12:05 (permalink)
    130,000 fish isn't that significant. According to the fish commision there is 868 total waterways stocked with adult trout. Thats only 150 fish per place stocked!  Not a big deal.  Like chris said limit your creel not your catch.  It's one thing to keep a few trout for dinner or throw em on the smoker but we really don't need to keep every single trout we catch every single time we are lucky to get out and wet a line! There are many solutions and opinions that can be made to attempt to make this situation better. For example how about putting less fish in places that have proven natural reproduction in them.  It might solve two problems.  Give more fish to put and take waters and also possibly create a viable wild trout fishery. More properly managed wild trout streams, alot more fish put into a few less places? Everybody wins!
     
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/04 10:03:03 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: SteelPerch

    How many years in a row will they stick it to us?  First they introduced the trout stamp, then they reduced the limit from 8 to 5, then they went on the "fewer but bigger fish" marketing campaign which materialized into fewer trout but not bigger, and now it is just a cut in the number of stocked fish.  It really ****es you off.



     
    It doesn't "**** me off" in the least.
     
    What the PFBC needs to start doing is spending trout satamp monies on upgrading the waste water treatment facilities at their hatcheries.  As it is now, the hatcheries are horrible polluters.  Probably they should double or triple the cost of the stamps to do this.  And it must be done, that is if the PFBC plans to continus stocking ANY trout raised in PA.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/04 10:19:28 (permalink)
    i'm in favor in decreasing the amount of trout they stock in warmer water lakes where the trout become fish bait. also, their fall stockings the last few years have been sad seeing the low water conditions and puddles they were 'dropping' trout in.
    if they increase the trout stamp any more they'll see less sales of it. i was a road tech. in pa when the trout stamp first came out and if fishermen didn't buy the stamp they said they wouldn't it should have led to less lisc./stamp sales to supply stockings.
    there are wild trout areas already established in certain areas such as the wild brook trout habitat.
    i believe the pfbc is leaning more to getting trout affiliated groups/clubs to raise trout and help out in the stockings to save money.

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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/04 12:17:48 (permalink)
    Poaching of trout and other species due to the current state of the economy will be a bigger problem than this relatively minor cut in the trout numbers.  
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/04 12:36:39 (permalink)
    you will not see any decrease in amount of trout caught this year compared to past years. these are minimal numbers and if you think you pay too much for a trout stamp, then don't buy one WE won't miss ya.
     
    sorry gonefishin, don't know why it said in reply to you. it was not directed to you.
    post edited by mugz - 2009/03/04 18:00:44
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/04 15:18:57 (permalink)
    This won't affect me one whit. I love to fish for trout but the last two I kept were in 2002. One was a brown that had been in the lake for a long, long time (flesh was orange from eating crayfish) and the other was a stocked brookie. Both were equally terrible eating.
     
    As far as fewer trout, 95% of all anglers can't catch 5 trout for a limit, much less 8. And hopefully this will reduce some of the "Wild West" crap that we have to put up with in the more rural counties. The weekend of the first day of trout season gives us nothing but problems with people camping and getting drunk, starting brush fires, fighting, and falling over hills. The first day of trout season results in more and more posted lands every year, not to mention straining our law enforcement and EMS systems. "Trout Camp" is a greatly over-rated and out-moded thing that needs eliminated up here.
     
    As far as bigger trout, I've seen better trout the last couple years. More big palominos, which are a double-edged sword, but nicer rainbows, especially on in-season stockings. And we are seeing more and more "breeder" trout stocked.
     
    The major drain on the trout stockings here in PA are pollution problems from hatcheries. I envision the Federal EPA stepping in soon and shutting down or forcing pollution control updates on some hatcheries.
     
    Yep, I'll pay more for a trout stamp. It will get the idiots out of the way and provide better trout fishing opportunities for me. If the cost of a trout stamp bothers you, re-evaluate your fishing. Bluegills on a basic license are within the reach of everyone, they taste better, and the average angler can get some year-round. I get my money's worth out of my license the first time I fish. My trout stamp money is just money out of my pocket as I don't keep any, but since it's something I enjoy I'll gladly pay it. The new line I put on my reel costs more than the trout stamp does!
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/04 17:58:03 (permalink)
    well said my friend, well said !!!!! excellent post
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 00:17:43 (permalink)
    "sorry gonefishin, don't know why it said in reply to you. it was not directed to you."
     
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 02:18:24 (permalink)
    easy there Spoon, it wasn't directed towards anyone. just replying to the original post.
    i'll see ya around soon, like Steelhead said in another post "trout are dum duud and will hit anything."
     
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 02:29:07 (permalink)
    Easy about what mugz? I was just explaining why the "(in reply to gonefishin)"  appeared on your post, even though you did not intend to reply directly to him.  

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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 06:36:44 (permalink)
    The hell with the trout lets stock something edible(waleyes,panfish)..

    You put all that money into walleyes, bass, and Muskys, Then we would have a fishery..

    Hate the first day bucket brigade,,,,GIVE ME MY LIMIT,,,Seems to be their montra for a day...SAD
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 07:15:27 (permalink)
    who eats bass and muskys i had bass before and it wasn't any good never had musky but also never heard it was good.
    Walleye is another story i would love to see more walleye in the local lakes and rivers
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 08:25:22 (permalink)
    For the money these guys pay to fish for trout one or two times, they could go to a pay lake, catch and keep all the trout they want, probably save some money, and stop the marketing of the fishing season by the F&BC.  It costs me as much for a nonresident OH or NY license as it does to fish in my own state, where I pay my taxes every year and suport the local economy.  Every year they need to make changes in their trout management plans because it's getting too expensive to raise and stock these fish!  The number of anglers decreases, license costs increase, and they manage the waterways that bring them the most money with the highest importance.  Cost based resource management can't help the fishing.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 08:40:30 (permalink)
    If we want more and bigger fish, I say raise the trout stamp to $20-30.  This is for a whole year of fishing.  I don't have a problem what so ever in spending a little more but, I would like to see some results.  I think most people have a problem with the stamp (or raising the price of the stamp) because once the fish commission started getting all that money years ago I don't think anybody saw any of the results (more, bigger fish), nothing seemed to change.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 09:47:14 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

    The hell with the trout lets stock something edible(waleyes,panfish)..

    You put all that money into walleyes, bass, and Muskys, Then we would have a fishery..

    Hate the first day bucket brigade,,,,GIVE ME MY LIMIT,,,Seems to be their montra for a day...SAD


    Why do people in this thread say trout aren't edible?  Perhaps you just arent preparing them right.  The fresh stocked trout and smaller ones can be a little bland and boney, but overall trout are some of the better eating fish out there.   Anyone who eats walleye on a regular basis is nuts IMO.  Those things are so chalked full of mercury and chemicals, I can't imagine anyone willingly eating them once they read up on all of the pollutants that are in them.
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    RE: Less Trout for Pa. in 2009 2009/03/05 10:29:55 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: SteelPerch

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    The hell with the trout lets stock something edible(waleyes,panfish)..

    You put all that money into walleyes, bass, and Muskys, Then we would have a fishery..

    Hate the first day bucket brigade,,,,GIVE ME MY LIMIT,,,Seems to be their montra for a day...SAD


    Why do people in this thread say trout aren't edible?  Perhaps you just arent preparing them right.  The fresh stocked trout and smaller ones can be a little bland and boney, but overall trout are some of the better eating fish out there.   Anyone who eats walleye on a regular basis is nuts IMO.  Those things are so chalked full of mercury and chemicals, I can't imagine anyone willingly eating them once they read up on all of the pollutants that are in them.



    And thats why i prefer to eat the smaller eyes that are 15 to 19"s. I cooked some rainbows last week and they were very good. Never tried steelies.
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