when using beads, is only 1 bead pegged to the line or are there multiple beads spaces on the line?

this is one case where I don't necessarily think that a hook on the outside of the mouth is in fact lining. If the bead is pegged above the hook, it is highly likely that the hook will be on the outside of the mouth if the fish has taken the fly. Personally, if I were fishing a pegged bead and saw that I was hooking most of my fish in the outside corner, I wouldn't be concerned.

That said, I don't see steelhead in PA hooked deep enough often enough to warrant fishing a pegged bead, which was the original intent. To that end, I never bothered with pegged beads. If I wanted to fish a beaded hook, then I'll use one of the melted ones from the other thread linked above. They do have an advantage over glo bugs and sucker spawn in that the density is a bit higher and they have about the identical density as a single egg. On light line and dead drift, they have the exact same drift with no weight which is the name of the game in low clear water. In higher or moving water just throw a SS and a split shot.

Thanks
Rick

ORIGINAL: HCsteel

... ALOT of fish caught on intruders are hooked on the outside of the mouth...

ahhhh... no

wheredyahearthat

ORIGINAL: RIZ

if they hooked on the outside of the mouth, even though the fish ment to eat it, it's considered a snagged fish and must be released. a technicality yes, but the law.

"Splitting hairs"...it would be called a foul hooked fish...snagging is intentional.

When it's low and clear I've found the best way to use beads is by pegging them 8" above a 2/0 treble, using the treble as weight instead of split shot.  I hook an incredible amount of fish this way, you all should try it.

the soft glow in the dark beed's you get at b.a.c work great for night drift fishing.
 
when you are using skien.

Truth hurts brother.

huh
i have never seen it...
i could see how it could happen when stripping them and presenting broad side
but on a swing... can't understand how it would happen


anyways... buy my rod

I recall reading an article about beads earlier this year. The gist was that the beads were used in Alaska to prevent the fish from swallowing the hook, probably sealing it's fate. This was in catch and release water. I have had days while using streamers on stocked trout where the hits were savage, yet the hookset was continuously on the outside of the mouth. Legally, these fish were foul hooked, and were released. I feel that if a trout bead is used, positioned above a bare hook, and the hookset is inside or outside, the result is a "lined", "snagged", illegally caught fish.

ORIGINAL: fishmonger

I recall reading an article about beads earlier this year. The gist was that the beads were used in Alaska to prevent the fish from swallowing the hook, probably sealing it's fate. This was in catch and release water. I have had days while using streamers on stocked trout where the hits were savage, yet the hookset was continuously on the outside of the mouth. Legally, these fish were foul hooked, and were released. I feel that if a trout bead is used, positioned above a bare hook, and the hookset is inside or outside, the result is a "lined", "snagged", illegally caught fish.

Get real dude...you and I both know exactly what the act of lining and snagging is. It is running the line across a fishes body in order to snag it. Or where the term originally came from - running lines across the inside of salmon's open mouths while they face upstream...This is far from that. How can you consider 2 inches or less (which I use) lined anywhere across a fishes body and snagging it in the mouth? In most cases, the fish take the bead and hook in one swipe at the offering anyway. You want to see lining at its best??? Go to Elk or Walnut when the water is extremely low in late winter and you can observe about 75% of fly fishermen who have no clue what they are doing lining those babies right mup!

And furthermore, I know when my float dunks, that a fish has taken every effort to swim up, over or across to my offering to bite it....nowhere close to lining or snagging buddy. I know this because my offering is always near verticle and 99.99% of the fish I catch; I connot see.

Then there is this thread and it is said it is legal.....??????????
 
 
http://www.paflyfish.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=54247
 
 

Again. WWKMPD?

Snag away. And $5 to the first person that can prove the scared WCO's will control the russians this season.

Does anyone have anything official? How 'bout a link to the complete volume of PFBC regulations other than the "incomplete" summary listed in the digest? If someone was fined by a WWCO, could it be argued in court that our current laws are inconclusive, esp if the fish in question were caught using this method but hooked inside the mouth?

If the law is that fish hooked outside the mouth with trout beads are just considered foul hooked and therefore must be released, then trout beads would be fine for straight C&R fishermen. Just don't keep a fish hooked that way. So far, trout beads themselves are not illegal in the way that snagging hooks are. People use a wide variety of beads in all kinds of baitfishing rigs, and trout beads are just a bead.

that's exactly right, and that's my problem with this method. The INTENT is to hook fish on the outside of the mouth. Not kosher, IMO.