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2009/01/07 15:50:15 (permalink)

Trout beeds

Any of you guys using trout beeds above the hook? Whats your take on them?

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    Hefalump
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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 16:40:21 (permalink)
    Trout beads are awesome....  orange seems best.
    Especially when tied above the hook.
    They are a pain in the butt to tie on... first the bead...  ooops, how many loops was that?...  then the hook... especialy this time of year.... but they  are deadly!
    They convinced me to tie my own egg patterns.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 17:16:55 (permalink)
    there's been a few guys on here known to use "trout" beads.........................
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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 17:56:27 (permalink)
    So.... what did those "few guys" have to say?
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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 18:00:37 (permalink)
    http://forums.fishusa.com/m_118832/mpage_1/key_trout%252Cbeads/tm.htm#118832

    Further down there's a good post by casts_by_fly
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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 19:03:19 (permalink)
    I fish trout beads once in a while. I just put the line through twice then just tie the hook on, just about 1/2" to 1" above the hook. It isn't hard at all. I have caught fish on them so I keep them in my pack.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 20:01:00 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Hefalump

    Trout beads are awesome....  orange seems best.
    Especially when tied above the hook.
    They are a pain in the butt to tie on... first the bead...  ooops, how many loops was that?...  then the hook... especialy this time of year.... but they  are deadly!
    They convinced me to tie my own egg patterns.
    Mike



    Try using a toothpick and pinning on the line wherever you want then break off the excess toothpick.  Works a lot better when its cold and takes the guesswork out of where exactly you want your bead...you can also adjust accordingly if you have to.  They wrok well in tandem with jigs or sacks as well  Good Luck!
    post edited by ShutUpNFish - 2009/01/07 20:02:49

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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 21:15:18 (permalink)
    Use them on the salmon river new york , work great.Use round toothpick 11/2" to 2' above your hook
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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 21:16:04 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: anadromous

    You have to put a cork in that bottle...
    Maybe one could try zap a gap gel....bet it would work.

     
    So what you're saying is that I should put a cork in it huh?  It is so much more fun for everybody when the bottle is un-corked isn't it?  Oh well, I guess I better get that **** gel out before I start getting perceived as a lush over here!

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    RE: Trout beeds 2009/01/07 21:36:03 (permalink)
    Tie some glo bugs or sucker spawn the same color as the trout beads you'd like to use.  You'll feel better.

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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 07:40:22 (permalink)
    I just ordered a bunch of these for the Great Lakes tribs Pa/Ny. I'll more than likely be drifting them under my fly rod since thats what I seem to use the most. Did a search on this topic, and was wondering what you guys/girls though about them? I have just about every type of fly in my arsenal, and was looking to add a new flavor. I've been lurkin around on this site for couple years and thought i'd finally chime in. Take it easy on me im sensitive.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 07:42:42 (permalink)
    I think some guys here would use rosary beads if it got them 20 hookups a day.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 08:03:02 (permalink)
    i got to remember to get more trout beads. i gave all mine away down on the clarion river to all the college girls willing to bare the hooters.

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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 08:04:20 (permalink)
    I heard the blue ones are real good!
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 08:07:41 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: chartist

    I think some guys here would use rosary beads if it got them 20 hookups a day.


    I would....and I think God would want me too.

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    I choose Little Cleos

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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 09:32:08 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: reesefisher33

    Any of you guys using trout beeds above the hook? Whats your take on them?

     
    My take, and alot will disagree.  It's been agrgued here before at great length, it's lining.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 11:19:33 (permalink)
    yes! certainly not fly fishing, might as well fish bags or jigs with a fly rod as use a pegged bead.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 11:22:17 (permalink)


    My take, and alot will disagree.  It's been agrgued here before at great length, it's lining.


    I have to agree, if the fish is grabbing the bead in its mouth and you react to the take and set the hook. Arent you pulling the trailing line with the hook into or most likely onto the outside of the fishes mouth ?

    linning a fish involes running the line through the fishes mouth, allowing the water flow to pull the line downstream until the hook,fly is stuck into mouth (usually the outside)resultlng in a hook up. Now with the attached trout bead, the fish has a target to home in on. It seems this technique just makes linning fish easier. The fish is reacting to the bead, which is not the case in "traditional" linning, where an angler just trys to float the line into the mouth, but the end result is the same, a foul hooked fish.
    If I'm wrong, please say so, but that's my take.
    I'm not saying I never lined a fish before, but it wasn't intentional, if the hook was anywhere on the outside of the mouth or head I and the law would consider it foul hooked. You see it all the time on tv shows, guys using beads for Bows in Alaska, it just seems like linning to me.

    Does a Moe egg catch that many less fish because the hook is visable ? Not really, and 99% of your catches will be hooked IN the mouth.
    As always just me $.02
    post edited by JEB - 2010/08/19 11:25:45
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 12:38:03 (permalink)
    I have caught 100s of Steelies on beads hooked in the corner of the mouth. The feesh hits the bead you react hook in mouth legal and very effective. But the Fly fishing purists will always argue anything that is different.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 12:51:23 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: kingnuke32

    But the Fly fishing purists will always argue anything that is different.


    Not arguing.  Just giving my opinion which is what the original poster asked.

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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 13:15:24 (permalink)
    In my opinion it's lining. the bead pegged above the hook is essentially an "indicator".
    post edited by bird dog - 2010/08/19 13:16:06
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 13:43:04 (permalink)
    I'm no purist, beleive me. I spin, fly ,CP, live bait etc... I just like to catch fish, but legally.
     
    King Boom, you stated in the corner of the mouth, which corner, inside or out ? if the line is being pulled through the mouth, I find it hard to imagine that it would hook inside the mouth. Just my thinking , not trying to start a war. Just trying to comprehend the physics of it, thats all.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 14:29:11 (permalink)
    Inside in the corner of the mouth 95% of the time. Those feesh suck that bead in when the hit it and most of the tiime the suck the hook in as well before they have a chance to react, feesh on.
     
     
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 14:56:47 (permalink)

     


     
    Hooked in Mouth.
     
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 14:56:57 (permalink)
    Personally I feel that the bead should be tied or pegged right above the hook, basically touching the eye of the hook.  That way there is very little chance that you could line a fish.   When I see a person with a hook, then a bead 10-12" above the bead, then a large split shot about 12" above the bead; he may not admit it, and maybe not know it, but he is lining the fish he hooks.  Some places have laws that prohibit any beads over 3" from the hook, so that should give you a pretty good indication of what constitutes a lining rig.   Thunk abut it!

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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 14:57:17 (permalink)
    sounds like the moffit system, with beads instead of flies, which was deemed illegal by the PAFC.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 15:03:23 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: indsguiz

    Personally I feel that the bead should be tied or pegged right above the hook, basically touching the eye of the hook.  That way there is very little chance that you could line a fish.  

     
    This is the only way I could find them acceptable, for my fishing preferences.  That said, with the bead right on the hook, why even fish one?  I'll just stick to a nuke egg or glo bug.
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 15:08:43 (permalink)
    I usually fish the bead about 2" over the hook sometimes closer and never any shot within a foot. I have no issue snagging feesh nor do I care what anyone thinks as they waterslap beside me as I pull feesh after feesh on the bank. To each there own and as long as it is legal which it all is then its all good in my book.
     
     
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    RE: Trout beeds 2010/08/19 16:09:21 (permalink)
    Yes it could be lining if the bead is more than 3 or 4" away from the hook but the problem that arises while fishing beads was first seen in Alaska.  Fish inhale the eggs when they are naturally feeding on them, that is why the bead needs to be a little away from the hook. If the fish goes for the bead you are essentially tricking/imitating the bait and who cares if it is on the outside of the mouth as long as the rig is not designed for lining. ALOT of fish caught on intruders are hooked on the outside of the mouth. Want to argue that the fish did not intend to take an intruder? I beg to differ, swinging intruders or any swung fly will give you savage strikes. My two cents.
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