"btw, i am picking up the c.c. manifesto this weekend.  now i am really interested.  thanks."
 
Rapala, If you live anywhere near Greensburg, they had a single copy of the Manifesto at Gander Mountain when I was there yesterday. 

ned,i am over by youngstown ohio.  there are a couple copies at our book store here.  the flat land yuppies would not touch a book in the hunting and fishing section.  would not look good while they sit with their blackberries at starbucks

I think cold described it perfectly in his last message beginning with "Even I get frustrated by it at times....."
 
My problem in tying flies to tippet would be finding the hole.   If there's a tool that does that I'm all ears.   I do have a tool that cleans debris or epoxy out of the eyehole.   But getting it thru the hole is my problem.   Maybe if they put some pubic hair around it.

My problem in tying flies to tippet would be finding the hole.   If there's a tool that does that I'm all ears.   I do have a tool that cleans debris or epoxy out of the eyehole.   But getting it thru the hole is my problem.   Maybe if they put some pubic hair around it.

I was gonna deliver a well-deserved "thats what she said!" but you headed that one off.  All I can say to that is: they DO...its short and fuzzy and looks like hackle.  Why havent you tried a threader yet?

I have trouble tying the small stuff myself. I always forget my reading glasses. I was fishing manchester hole once, and complaining to the guy next to me while trying to tie on a size 20. He pulled out a tool that looked like a needle with a handle on it. He pushed the handle and it twisted the line and he just pulled the tag end through. Maybe someone will know what that is. I should have bought it off of him.

And you'll tie the tippet to the leader?  As much as strand can get on my nerves, he's got a point here.  Tie things together like everyone else, if that causes you so much grief that you cant fly fish, take up bass fishing with braided line.  I've tried to help you out here, but if you arent gonna do things the right way, its tough to help.

Well, good luck then, you're not the beginner that I thought you were.  You can form your own answers from here on out, professor.

I'm still searching for a reliable brand of tippet, but I have no problems tying on a #22 griffith's gnat, so once I find a good tippet, I'll be pulling an improved clinch and changing flies in about 90 seconds tops.  Not much fly-on-the-water time lost there.  IMO, if you cant tie on anything smaller than a 16, for whatever reason, then dont fish with anything smaller than a 16.

Esox,
I have examined 2 or 3 different threading tools for sale at Gander Mtn.   The wires were just too thick to do the job on some of the eyelets I have in mind.  The nearest Cabelas to me is over by Wheeling.   Perhaps on my next trip over that way I will take some of my micro flies over there and examine this fly box. 

There are a number of manufacturers that make "leader stretchers" that accomodate flies that are pre-attached to the leaders.  A company named Millstream makes one such leader box that accomodates up to 24 flies and advertises its advantage over not having to spend excessive time changing flies.   There are also "chest packs" that can be seen hanging around the necks of many Cental Pennsylvania fly fishermen where one can store up to 6 spooled leaders with flies attached in a 1" thick x 5" x 5" plastic box.    I'd prefer the chest packs as they are easier to carry on the water.  The concept of storing small flies on pre-tied leaders is not new, just because you legends in your own minds hadn't yet heard of it.     

I don't claim to have all the answers and as I said, I'd prefer the chest packs.  They don't cost $130.   Are you that close to Line 45 that you'd do that for $130?

Here's another guy....."the professor"...... 1100 posts in 10 months.

RIZ,
I've probably worn bifocals for 14 years.   My latest prescription is no more than 8 months old.     In doing any close-up work (I mean real close-up work) I find myself lately peeking over top of my glasses to do the really fine stuff.     I can tie some very fine tippet onto a #20 fly using foreceps to hold the fly provided the room or desk area I am working in is well lit.  It's not so much my eyesight as it is the amount of available light. I'm simply going to spool about 5 or 6 leaders/flies on a few old 4" empty trilene spools that I have available.   I have looked at reading glasses at the local drug store and am not sure if they would help me, but they weren't the clip on kind.    It's no big inconvenience to me and it only applies to maybe 30 % of my flies (size 16 or smaller) but it has been interesting to see how Cold, Anal Anad, KJH807 and others have reacted like big babies to my rejection of some of their suggestions.  Go see the post that Anal Anad made about me on the NE Pennsylvania Forum.   Some of these guys average over 100 posts per month which tells me that they need to get a life.

What did Ned say near the tail end of Deliverance when Jon Voight and Burt told him that they had to change their stories to keep the authorities in Aintree from looking upstream......"There's no end to it! "  .....battle of wits with an unarmed man........who'd you get that off of?......Gordon Liddy or Tom Barrasso?

ned, you mentioned that you fish the Yough...  if you're fishing from confluence down to the falls i think all this fine tippet and tiny midge talk is null and void.  those are big fish, they'll crack your tippet.  it's mostly fast water, so heavier tippet wont spook the fish.  in between fast water it's deep water, where again they wont be overly spooked by heavier tippet.  leave the little #20's at home, toss on a big ugly bugger or a leech with 3x and you'll be made in the shade.   how often has the yough been low and clear? 

my 2 cents.

ORIGINAL: NedBeatty

.   Some of these guys average over 100 posts per month which tells me that they need to get a life.

You've made 8 posts today..
Your on pace to make 100 posts by atleast +130 by the 21st of next month.
You better reprieve from posting... For A WHILE. As not to show others you have no life..

ORIGINAL: NedBeatty

I've already tied the fly to the tippet.....30 of them.... and have 30 leaders all prepared

LMAO! Ever put two cell phone chargers together in a bag? They seem to tangle pretty easy. Now think about 30 super thin leaders with razor sharp hooks attached trying to untangle. Best way to avoid: carry a huge box of leaders with you while fishing.