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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 07:30:05
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Big Fathead- no sabres on Evilbay currently. I have not yet tried craigslist or the other listings. I am not yet quite sure that I want to commit to a big boat! Thanks for the additional guidance though, it is appreciated.
Brent
Look for a Crestliner Eagle. They came out just after the Sabre. Up until the final year or two of their production, they were a walkaround cuddy style. I looked at one once. It was an outboard powered 22 (or maybe it was a 23) ft boat. Very nice boat. The I/Os had a cool feature for accomodating a kicker. It was like a little pocket in the transom that was there specifically for a kicker.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 08:30:43
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 09:18:26
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I would not recommend an Eagle with a walk around. I looked at a 22 footer with a walk around and they have very little room in them compared to the Sabre model. It would be hard to fish 4 people in the Eagle sst walk around. That was the I/O model.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 09:57:07
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I'm with Fathead on this one. Walkarounds don't afford the room nor comfort of a closed bow. Have captained a buddy's 25' Proline walkaround on a couple of occassions and riding in can be wet and uncomfortable and the missing storage space up front would be nice that a closed bow provides.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 10:14:06
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CB I never thought I'd say this, but I love my Sport-Craft!
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 10:14:39
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I'm with Fathead on this one. Walkarounds don't afford the room nor comfort of a closed bow. Have captained a buddy's 25' Proline walkaround on a couple of occassions and riding in can be wet and uncomfortable and the missing storage space up front would be nice that a closed bow provides.
Storm Warning 2, Are you talking about a center console perhaps when you say walkaround? Reason I'm asking is that my walkaround has the same amount of cuddy storage area as a full cuddy. The only difference is that the area under the walk way is lower. Another reason I ask is that walkarounds do have a closed bow, not an open bow. They just provide a walkway around the helm area and cuddy to get to the bow more easily than on a full cuddy model. They are nice when you want to get to the forward part of the boat. You don't have to go through the cuddy and climb up through the hatch. Also, the kids love to go up front and sit when anchored for perch. Gets everyone's lines a little further apart. As an owner of a walkaround, the thing I dislike most about a walkaround is that the front two seats (driver and passenger) are forced closer together due to the narrower helm area. Every boat's a compromise. I'm still looking for that perfect one. Starting to think I'll never find it. Brad
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 11:01:59
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Ive found several Brad...lol
care to lend me 100K?
CB I never thought I'd say this, but I love my Sport-Craft!
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 12:02:41
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CB I have a 100k for ya at 12.5% interest plus all the free harnesses I want. lol
I better start saving more cash if I am entertaining buying a Great Lakes type boat.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 12:43:23
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I think that the 2700 Open I mentioned before or a 3000 Open is about as close to perfect as it gets boys. The gas bill is the only problem. Fish on either of the Vision Quest boats and you will see what I mean. They run great, troll even better, and TONS of cockpit room as well as well laid out state rooms, head, and kitchenette.
They are fishing MACHINES.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 13:19:18
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Couple Tiara's for sale here. They are proud of 'em too! http://www.glangler.com/boatsforsale.html By the way, after doing some research on a used Baha Cruiser, I found out some interesting tidbits. The manager/president of the company, Ken Null (sp?) called me back within 2 hrs after I left a msg with the secretary that answered the phone. He was happy to answer my questions re: the older models and helped be find out where the HIN plate was and how to decipher it for model year, year built and month built. Any models 1996 or newer are constructed with the Greenwood XL material in the transom and stringers (rot free warranty, I believe). 1995 models are a crap shoot as that is the year of the switch and some models had untreated wood and some had Greenwood. If it was built after June of 1995 you are probably safe but not a total guarantee. Prior to 1995, all models were constructed using untreated wood so, it comes down to the actual boat construction and quality that particular week on the line. Some boats pre 1995 were done very well, some, not so well. So the moral of the story would be, if you are looking at a pre-1996 model Baha, you better get a quality marine survey done. Looked into it and it is $375 within a 200 mile radius of Erie, PA for a particular company. The boat I was looking at was marketed as a 1995 250 Fisherman but, it is actually a 1990 Sportfisherman. Oh well. Deal was too good to be true as always but it pays to do your homework.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 14:02:32
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I think that the 2700 Open I mentioned before or a 3000 Open is about as close to perfect as it gets boys. The gas bill is the only problem. Fish on either of the Vision Quest boats and you will see what I mean. They run great, troll even better, and TONS of cockpit room as well as well laid out state rooms, head, and kitchenette.
They are fishing MACHINES.
I'm a Boat U.S. member. In the Boat U.S. magazine, they do a feature called "2nd Time Around" in which they talk about some of the more well known used boat models. Each magazine, they do a power boat, and a sail boat. In the most recent issue they talked about one of the Tiarra models. They did mention in that article that Tiarra's have a reputation for superb quality. As a matter of fact they said something to the effect that the construction quality of Tiarra's boats are so good, there's no need to even discuss it in that article.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 14:54:18
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There are a couple really nice walk around models out there. The model that I'm sure don't have much room is the Crestliner Sabre SST Walk Around I/O model. Walk arounds definately have there advantages and kids do like them and they have great access to the front seating area as well as a nice rail for safety. I owned a walk around and loved the ride, never had any issues with staying dry, I just out grew the boat. I have a 250 Sportcraft for sale right now that is a great boat for Lake Erie I just want something larger and wider (seems I've outgrown this boat also). After fishing on bigger boats I just get the feeling mine is too small, This is not due to the way it handles but for how comfortable the boat is for 6 passengers, a mate and a Captain. If anyone designs "THE PERFECT BOAT", I will be glad to be your Captain on whichever vessel you purchase! You would surely become a multi millionare!
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 15:01:18
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Its called the VQ V Capt. Wayne.
Jump on board sometime when Pete has her tied up at Bay Harbor. WOW! 36' of sheer beauty. I think it SLEEPS 6 comfortably.
Same lay out as the 2700 Open, its just that much bigger (3600). If you look at some of the Big Boyz on Lake M. A lot of the sponsored, bigger name charter Capt.s fish 3600s (Best Chance Too, Thunderduck, My Tiara III, Dreamweaver, and Mark Chmura)
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 16:16:48
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I think tiara made hulls for other boat manufactures.. not really sure but top self has one
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 16:23:11
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Tiara also makes Pursuit boats.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 16:39:42
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Its called the VQ V Capt. Wayne.
Jump on board sometime when Pete has her tied up at Bay Harbor. WOW! 36' of sheer beauty. I think it SLEEPS 6 comfortably.
Same lay out as the 2700 Open, its just that much bigger (3600). If you look at some of the Big Boyz on Lake M. A lot of the sponsored, bigger name charter Capt.s fish 3600s (Best Chance Too, Thunderduck, My Tiara III, Dreamweaver, and Mark Chmura)
As nice as the Tiarras are...i dont think i would buy one...I actually almost did buy one about 8 months ago. It was 1995 I believe a 32 flybridge with new 350 Inboards completly repainted...Guy wanted around $30k for it...it was a very good but I didnt really want to bite the bullet on that big gas hog....They are out there though for a good buy if you want to push that kinda petro through them V8s....I want outboards on the next boat... I still have some pictures of it saved:
CB I never thought I'd say this, but I love my Sport-Craft!
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 16:57:01
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CB,
Wanting OBs is one of the main reasons I sold my last boat (my Proline). I like not having to worry about a freezing engine block. I can more confidently extend my season. No cooling passages to worry about having to winterize on an outboard. Just lower an OB so it's vertical and all the water drains out. I have a Yamaha F225 on my boat. It trolls smoother and quieter than the MerCruiser 5.0 LX I had on my Proline. Outboards weigh less too. The F225 weighs about 310 lbs less than the MerCruiser 5.0 LX did.
The ETECS looks like nice motors though. I wonder how well they work for extended low RPM trolling on Lake Erie.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 17:22:37
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OBs are nice for fuel efficiency and ease of repair/replacement, but you are moving a lot of weight to the aft of the boat. The 4 strokes ARE HEAVY! I have run 2 strokes next to 4 strokes in the same horsepower and the 2 strokes definitely perform better, hands down. I have run several brands against each other, trust me. My small water boat is a 16 1/2' Alumacraft rigged with a Honda 40 hp 4 stroke and a Honda 9.9 kicker. The boat is rated to a 90 horse, but the 40 and 9.9 in combo definitely drops her butt in the water.
I have always fished with outboards and they can definitely be a hinderance to operations in the back of the boat. Netting is more difficult and you are limited in downrigger options with that thing sticking out of the back of the boat. Downrigger options may not seem as important to strictly 'eye anglers, but when you multi-species fish like we do, it can be a detriment. Many times I would love to have the option of a center rigger when the salmon are locked in on rigger presentations and the divers are quiet.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 17:29:55
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Yes I understand that a 2 stroke is going to weigh less and run a higher RPM curve than the 4 strokes, but you also need to buy 2stroke oil and they stink...Even the new ones smoke and stink.
New 4 strokes are quiet, but heavy, Im probaly going to be in the 250hp range so a couple hundred lbs isnt going to matter...I could lose weight and it would probaly compensate...lol but im not gonna stop eating... I really dont think you are going to see a huge difference on a 26ft boat that is weighing 6000lbs+. On a bass boat you will get the better performance, but im looking at quiet, clean, effiecient, and smoke free. Ill take that over running 45mph and cruise at 25...lol
New suzuki motors are extremly powerful on the low end due to how they run their transmissions off the fly wheel...Lots of torque which you need to run a large boat....
CB I never thought I'd say this, but I love my Sport-Craft!
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 17:35:26
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Yes, you have to buy 2 stroke oil. I have the misfortune of visiting Wal Mart for Evinrude oil on a regular basis. But our power plant is oil injected and really only smokes when first fired at the dock, cleaning out the carbs.
They are loud, no question, but never really seemed to bother the fish, even steelies in 5 fow.
You're right, its not very often that we run on a flat Lake Erie at full tilt; especially this year! You know its a bad weather year when you look forward to 2 to 4s!
What's the price tag on that 'zuki? I can only imagine, but I am sure it ain't pretty!
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 20:24:31
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I think a 250 is like $15k new with a 6 year warrenty...
CB I never thought I'd say this, but I love my Sport-Craft!
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 20:34:17
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$15K!!!! That's like buying a slightly used Chevy 1500 extended cab these days!
That's more than I paid for the Storm and trailer!
That's about what we've got into tackle, riggers, rod holders, probes, wire rigs, flashers/flies, spoons, etc. though!!!!
Its an awful habit big water fishing, isn't it?
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 21:33:01
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Outboards do get in the way a little. I would like one the new JACKSHAFT boats, sportcraft makes one, albemarle, carolina classic 23-25' with the weight of the motor forward it REALLY smooths out that lake erie chop. I have an inboard/tunnel drive on a 22.5-23' boat and it really digs in when i want it to. Anyone have a jackshaft boat? ORIGINAL: Storm Warning 2
OBs are nice for fuel efficiency and ease of repair/replacement, but you are moving a lot of weight to the aft of the boat. The 4 strokes ARE HEAVY! I have run 2 strokes next to 4 strokes in the same horsepower and the 2 strokes definitely perform better, hands down. I have run several brands against each other, trust me. My small water boat is a 16 1/2' Alumacraft rigged with a Honda 40 hp 4 stroke and a Honda 9.9 kicker. The boat is rated to a 90 horse, but the 40 and 9.9 in combo definitely drops her butt in the water.
I have always fished with outboards and they can definitely be a hinderance to operations in the back of the boat. Netting is more difficult and you are limited in downrigger options with that thing sticking out of the back of the boat. Downrigger options may not seem as important to strictly 'eye anglers, but when you multi-species fish like we do, it can be a detriment. Many times I would love to have the option of a center rigger when the salmon are locked in on rigger presentations and the divers are quiet.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 21:46:21
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yep! 
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 21:51:09
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2002 Carver Boats
356 Aft Cabin/M $159,900.00 Kimberling City, MO
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 21:52:58
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Nice!! a classic25' The PERFECT trailerable fishing machine. Is it a wet boat? I know it has that awesome flare but saw some youtube videos and guys were getting soaked? BTW did you buy new?
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 22:41:40
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Carolinas are beautiful boats. Love the lines.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/11 23:11:24
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Gentlemen,
Just wanted to add that my family has had an antique lake boat for 30 years (it ws new when we bought it), and we enjoyed the heck out of the thing. It's a 1973 Aristocraft and it did everything we wanted in a medium/small boat. High sides, closed bow and a hard top that could be moved foreward or to the rear or removed entirely. I was going to restore the old lady but my poor health has made that an impossibility. It rode nice and caried up to 6 of us anywhere we wanted to go, has a 4cyl chevy and stern drive. There have been bigger boats that I have been on but this boat was just plain likeable. Would love to find something just like it now.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/12 08:21:36
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New 4 strokes are quiet, but heavy, Not as heavy as you might think. A 225 hp E-Tec weighs 524 lbs. My 225 hp Yamaha four stroke weighs 583 lbs. Heavier, yes, but only by 59 lbs. I think the Verados may be a good bit heavier though. But not the Yamahas.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats
2008/09/12 08:30:00
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the 300 Verado you can hear the stream of water coming out of the engine at idle...thats impressive...
$15k Thats BRAND New. A tiara brand new goes for abouit $350k I can buy alot of outboards for that...lol
Yea a jackshaft is nice...Carolina Classics are HEAVY boats. Do you have a 7.4 or 8.1 in your 25...Whats the fuel consumption like? Im kinda against getting another car motor in my next boat...
These new outboards you can start have a conversation at idle throttle out then continue to troll with for half a gallon an hour...thats pretty impressive for a 250hp motor.
Very honestly i have an I/O on my boat and I would rather have 1 big 250 on bracket on the transom than having a motor box on the floor, a swim deck with a cooler, and a 4 stroke in the corner. I dont see how you could say outboards are hard to fish around and get in the way....
CB I never thought I'd say this, but I love my Sport-Craft!
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