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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/12 10:28:33 (permalink)
That's why I posted a USED Tiara...
 
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/12 10:44:28 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Carpet Bagger

the 300 Verado you can hear the stream of water coming out of the engine at idle...thats impressive...

These new outboards you can start have a conversation at idle throttle out then continue to troll with for half a gallon an hour...thats pretty impressive for a 250hp motor.

 
LOL, when I first took my F225 powered boat out, I came back to the dock, tied up, stepped off the boat, walked up to land and proceeded to have a conversation with the owner of the dealership. After about 15 minutes, he pointed out that my engine was still idling. It was so quiet, I forgot to shut it off! There were times that I'd have to verify there was a stream coming out of the powerhead to know whether or not the engine was still running. It is almost too quiet.
 
 
ORIGINAL: Carpet Bagger
Very honestly i have an I/O on my boat and I would rather have 1 big 250 on bracket on the transom than having a motor box on the floor, a swim deck with a cooler, and a 4 stroke in the corner.  I dont see how you could say outboards are hard to fish around and get in the way.... 

 
CB is right. I went from an I/O with the motor cover box and fish box on the swim platform, to an OB  powered boat. I can tell you first hand that the OB takes up way less space than the I/O box and fish box on the swim platform combo. The only downside is that when you get back to the dock, you have to transfer your fish from the onboard fishbox, to a separate cooler (unless your taking your boat home with you). But that only takes a couple minutes. If you don't keep your boat wet slipped, you have to find an out of the way spot to do that. That's not a problem at Lampe.
 
Fuel consumption wise, I don't have a fuel scan monitor on my boat so I don't know exactly what my burn rate is, but I can tell you this, I ran from Lampe to the Ohio border, trolled a full day, ran back to Lampe, all on 30 gallons. I know that sounds crazy to run that far, but I did. Seat of the pants judgement on fuel consumption, I use about 10 gallons less per full day of Walleye fishing than I did with my MerCruiser 5.0 LX. But to be fair, my MerCruiser LX was a carburated V-8.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/12 11:32:43 (permalink)
Once again, the Tiara.  No outboard in the way, no motor box in the way.  Twin 270 Crusaders in the 2700.  454s in the 3000s and twin diesels in the 3600s.  Fish boxes are built in, no need for a "box".
 
 
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/12 12:39:44 (permalink)
twin 454....hmm id hate to see that gas bill at the end of 8hrs...lol probaly 100 gallon easy...Even if i was a charter i couldnt see spending $400 bucks a day in fuel...
 
Thats why ill be in OHIO, "where you just drive north"...lol

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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/13 17:16:10 (permalink)

 
Big Boat.....
 

 
Little.... (cough)... smaller boat

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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 00:36:54 (permalink)
Thats why ill be in OHIO, "where you just drive north"...lol


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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 05:25:32 (permalink)
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Big Boat.....



Little.... (cough)... smaller boat

 
Tritons are beautiful, but there's two things I don't like about that boat. First and foremost, the euro transom. While I do like the safety factor of a euro transom, what I don't like about them is how much interior space is lost due to that design. Another thing I don't like about that Triton is the bow pulpit. They can be a PITA when launching / loading the boat from / onto the trailer. Especially if you store your anchor on the anchor roller on the pulpit. The pulpit and anchor can hit or get snagged on the winch stand on the trailer. I know that from experience and I've heard others mention the same thing.  
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 07:21:33 (permalink)
Just my little bit of research leads me to believe that I would like an outboard powered craft with an external bracket or space saver transom.  A Doghouse sure eats deck space quickly.  When you are looking for a deck that two couples could dance on, it would be best to get all of the unecessary stuff out of the way.  Do they build fiberglass boats with external brackets, I have seen many aluminum ones.
 
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 10:34:03 (permalink)
Brent,
 
Just keep your corners open thats where the nets will have to fly!

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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 11:44:09 (permalink)
The thing nobody has mentioned is all boats are a compromise, deep v , better head sea ride, rocks like a **** in a beam sea,moderate v pounds a bit, but stable in a beam sea, myself I wouldnt have an outboard or IO stuck up my**** nothing beats the stability of an IB boat due to the engine weight being centered and low in the boat, buts thats just my opinion, my point is find what you like and what fits your style of fishing and buy the best you can afford, as for me, the next boat I hope to get is a 30 foot Island Hopper, single deisel IB, bare bones hardtop fish killing machine, just like the one below, but without the cockpit railing
They are built like tanks, for commercial service, the hull approaches 2 inches thick in critical places, solid glass, no core, and you never see them advertised, they have an almost cult following, so when shopping, remember those who advertise the most, probably have to, as they build a product for easily impressed buyers, who think the need to look like the guy they just saw on TV
 
 



post edited by bluntman - 2008/09/14 11:54:18
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 12:21:30 (permalink)
Never heard of that boat  clean and simple..  Who makes it .. Island hopper ?   could not google it 
 
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 12:23:16 (permalink)
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 14:40:00 (permalink)
side note cause I think he will read it here. . .
 
CB clean out your mailbox
 
I owe you a PM
 
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What is the price on a commercial duty boat like the one bluntmant put up. . .that looks really commercial!
 
 
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 16:18:59 (permalink)
"nothing beats the stability of an IB boat due to the engine weight being centered and low in the boat"
 
Agree 100%.  The lower the COG the better.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 19:12:17 (permalink)
Single Yanmar 260 hp starting at: $102,085
Twin Yanmar 260 hp   starting at: $136,825
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 19:51:19 (permalink)
Island Hopper is a nice boat.  I have heard of them, not very sold on the honey comb composites which is why im kinda skeptical to buy a judge...If its fishing room you want blunt look at this Judge 36 its similar with the single yanmar...BUT LOOK AT THAT BOW FLARE!!





post edited by Carpet Bagger - 2008/09/14 19:52:24

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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/14 19:54:31 (permalink)
The hull on an Island Hopper is solid glass. only cores are in floors and decks
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/15 22:40:56 (permalink)
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Nice!! a classic25' The PERFECT trailerable fishing machine.  Is it a wet boat? I know it has that awesome flare but saw some youtube videos and guys were getting soaked?  BTW did you buy new?

I'm going to have to look at the Youtube videos. I have the hard top and enclosure, so I haven't been wet yet. The boat does generate some spray plowing through waves, so the blow back is always there with the right wind. I'll have to figure out how to post pictures here and show how much flair the boat really has.

I smiled when I saw the title of this thread, as it took me back about five years when I was making the same decisions on a boat. Back then, the outboard industry was kinda screwed up. OMC was having fits with the "Ficht" motors, the Verado's were just a concept, the HPDI's were new and unproven, and nobody had a big four stroke that was worth a crap. (-Thank you E.P.A.. And I mean that, thanks!) If I didn't have the boat I have now, I'd be more educated on the latest and greatest in the world of outboards.

Yea, they're heavy. 7500 lbs. dry. If you top off with fuel that adds another 1k, because it holds 165 gallons. I usually run with tanks about 1/3 full, which with 2 or 3 guys on the boat and at 3200-3300 rpm's it'll run 25-27 mph. . The boat does not pound, you'll get a firm landing if you're running into or with quartering seas, but its not too bad at all.

As someone said, there are trade offs- for example, in beam seas, you better hold on. That steep dead rise really gets the boat rocking!

As far as efficiency, as best as I can tell, I do slightly better than 2 mpg. I don't have a floscan or anything that would give me precise numbers. So, for the way I use the boat, and the way I fish, I'll burn about 15 gallons a trip average. A couple of years ago, I topped off my starboard tank to where I could see gas in the flller neck. I kept track on the gps the distance covered at cruise. I also figured 1.5 gallons/hour trolling. When I topped off back at the dock, the math showed right at 2 mpg. I've swapped out the B2 wheels for some B3's and run the boat on average a couple of hundred pounds lighter, and a hundred or so rpm's less to get the same speeds. I'm comfortable with the "just north of 2 mpg" guess.

I'm surprised nobody brought up the cats..
Check out the Glacier Bay 26. You want a smooth efficient ride? Try and beat that!

http://www.glacierbaycats.com/records_midway.html

post edited by Blowchowski - 2008/09/15 23:48:33
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/16 12:39:55 (permalink)
Just wanted to second the bow pulpit warning, DO NOT REST YOUR HAND ON TOP OF THE WINCH WHILE LAUNCHING. But they are nice while anchoring.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/16 20:34:26 (permalink)


You get the idea.  A clean cockpit, no motor box, no outboard, and lots of flare.

There are a couple of pictures in this link:
http://www.thehulltruth.com/photos/photo-thumbnails.asp?albumid=1247

I don't know how to re-size the pictures yet........
post edited by Blowchowski - 2008/09/17 09:34:26
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/16 21:19:44 (permalink)
My boat has a similar flare, but it is 9'5" at the flare.  Similar to a step-lift v20.  I like the flush deck, BUT, if your floor was lower and you had the dog house, it wouldnt be as bad in a beam sea like you say.  Your COG would be lower and you would notice.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/17 07:36:01 (permalink)

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My boat has a similar flare, but it is 9'5" at the flare.  Similar to a step-lift v20.  I like the flush deck, BUT, if your floor was lower and you had the dog house, it wouldnt be as bad in a beam sea like you say.  Your COG would be lower and you would notice.

I don't think the C.O.G. could be any lower in the Carolina Classics. The engine is under the helm seats and tackle centers. If I had a dog house it would be higher.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/17 10:47:48 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: dublvision

My boat has a similar flare, but it is 9'5" at the flare.  Similar to a step-lift v20.  I like the flush deck, BUT, if your floor was lower and you had the dog house, it wouldnt be as bad in a beam sea like you say.  Your COG would be lower and you would notice.

 
You can only lower the floor by so much with a self bailing liner. The floor must be higher than water level, otherwise water will not drain out.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/17 11:05:13 (permalink)
If you sat at the level where engine is mounted, slightly above 6 inches maybe. You then would be sitting lower in the boat and your COG would be lower.  I understand about the self bailing, it only has to be an inch or two above water line. Just my 2 cents, would definitely purchase one at right price.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/17 12:17:03 (permalink)
Im with Blowchowski and Brad on this one.  An I/O isnt exactly ideal in any boat.  Even with the fuel tanks placed forward you still need a very significant amount of power to push a boat up and continue to push a boat on plane.  Adding all the weight of V8 I/O, along with an outdrive, cooler, kicker, batteries, not to mention people all on the rear of a boat really makes it back heavy and hard to plane unless you have a significant power plant.
 
A jackshafted I/O places the engine forward along with the fuel tanks making the boat alot easier to plane and stay on plane.  Carolina Classic and Albemarle both do this and have an incredible track record inthe boating industry providing some of the softest rides through rough water in the industry.
 
As far as sitting level where the engine is mounted, you would then be sitting on the stringers of your boat, you would sacrifice floor storage, fuel capacity, deadrise, interior floor room not to mention your freeboard would be very very shallow to allow you to fish effectively....
 
Im trying to find a Parker 2510 DV with blown engines and repower with ETech, Suzuki or Yamaha power...

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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/17 13:29:00 (permalink)
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/17 23:16:54 (permalink)
I think that the higher you go up, (tuna tower) ,the more you will rock.  That being said, the higher you are above the waterline, the more you will rock.
 
When I stand in the center of my boat next to steering wheel I am approximately dead even with where engine is mounted to stringer.  This causes me to step UP to fishing deck instead of stepping down from a higher,rockier elevation.
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/18 06:45:20 (permalink)
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RE: Lets build 2 perfect lake erie boats 2008/09/18 07:44:20 (permalink)
Bought my perfect river boat last night!

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