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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 10:44:26 (permalink)
Dardys, you are putting a compelling argument forward on how great Joe Biden has handled the economy, no?
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 11:36:01 (permalink)
"No one's frightened of saying it, everyone's playing it, coming on strong all the time. All through your life, I me mine."[1]
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 11:44:56 (permalink)
DarDys
Yep, I teach and advise and a major university and I have no idea what I’m talking about with regard to the situation in higher education. So I guess you know better than what I work with everyday. That is evidenced by zero persuasive argument on your side and, again, attempting to be insulting.

When one’s ideology clouds being able to accept first-hand reality, then their is little hope the idealist.


Look dude. Arguing with stuffy, holier than thou, wealthy, know it alls on the Internet is not really my bag. There's plenty of holes to poke in all of your arguments, and you know it. Just because you choose to keep the blinders on behind your desk, in your office, doesn't mean I need to hold your hand and spell it out for you. The fact that you think that, because you're a professor, you have any knowledge of the current real world situations that people out there are actually in, is laughable at best. Malicious at worst. I know I'm not changing your yuge yuge mind. You can drop it whenever you wish. I was merely trying to point out to woodnickle, that Ol Joe may not be the one actually making everything cost too much. I think I made my point. And I think you completely glossed over it.

https://www.reuters.com/w...ion-report-2023-05-01/
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 11:59:30 (permalink)
 More Pa colleges added to the list for low income.                                                                                                                                                   https://www.bestcolleges....r-low-income-students/
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 12:23:35 (permalink)
DarDys

My division is comprised of business (where I teach and advise), engineering, and IT (to include cyber security). None of the graduates from those programs have any trouble graduating in to employment situations where they cannot pay off their student debt, unless they aren’t willing to put in the necessary work, and that’s on them.

There is a nearby college (unfortunately, not us) that has partnered with a hospital to put forth a program that will pay the full tuition of graduating nurses and give them a guaranteed job. In other words, for a short commitment, I believe it is 2-4 years, they have no student debt and a job that pays in the high $80’s to low $100’s, depending on specialty, in an area where the cost of living index is below 100.



It’s not just about finding a job. It’s about the debt they are saddled with.

And I think you are overstating the ease at which some of these graduates are able to pay these loans, even the business/engineering/IT grads that have better job opportunities.

Are you really trying to say that the economics of higher education aren't completely misaligned? As somebody who is working in that system I would think you would see this first hand.

Or perhaps you are biased because you benefit from this broken system?
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 12:24:20 (permalink)
Porktown is correct when he stated the real problem is the high cost of a college education.  It is just a microcosm of unchecked runaway capitalism/corporate greed that is destroying our nation. 
 
The inflation surge may have been primed by covid 19 shutdowns, but since then price gouging has taken over.  I view the student debt relief plan not as reimbursing bad decisions, but as providing help to recent grads struggling with costs unrelated to their decisions.  Have you seen the cost of rent recently?
 
Going back to the college costs, anyone who had their kid go thru college recently knows how much of a scam it is.  My son graduated from Penn State in 2021.  Here are just some examples of greed that irked me.
  • He entered Penn State as an honors student, which came with a $2500 scholarship per year, which he was told would continue every year if he maintained his honors status.  Even though he maintained his honor status no more scholarships occurred because "there were more honor students than anticipated and the limited funds earmarked went to higher grade point average students".
  • Two semesters were virtual classes only because of covid.  Tuition pricing unchanged.
  • Senior year "job fair" was cancelled due to covid 
  • He never met his academic advisor, since the professor cancelled the appointment on (4) different occasions.
  • Book store had a sign behind the counter stating "We price match Amazon prices".  Every semester they gave him a hard time matching prices, stating they "are trying to make money here" 
  • He was the first to move out of his dorm room for his sophomore summer break.  Since there was food left in the fridge after all students left, Penn State charged every student $50 to clean out fridge.
  • There was a community kitchen in his dorm.  At the end of one semester, there were dishes left in the sink so they charged every student in the building $20 to clean the sink.
  • One professor missed (5) classes over the semester.  To make it up to the students, he stated he made the final exam very easy so everyone would pass.
Since the total cost of this scam was $130K, I have no qualms about him getting $10K debt relief.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 12:24:57 (permalink)
Almost like he's completely out of touch or, something.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 12:48:23 (permalink)
Student loan forgiveness was ANOTHER example of the Left buying votes with taxpayer monies. Another example is the open border. Another example is Black Lives Matter and Antifa. Did I type that out loud? Pay your debts like the rest of us. Adulting is hard.

You should have been here yesterday.............. Streams are made for the wise man to contemplate and fools to pass by [Sir Izaak Walton]
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 15:00:27 (permalink)
State of PA completely abandoned higher education in 2008. PSU is a very good university, but any list of top universities have MANY others like UNC, Cal, Florida and others that they’re in state tuitions are 1/2 or 3/4 of PSU, well ahead of PSU. It is ridiculous. I don’t blame PSU or Pitt (about the same tuition and similar rankings), they need to keep up with their competition. To do so, without the state aid, they have to push it on the tuition cost. PA’s actual state universities are higher than UNC…. Seriously, IUP in state tuition has no business being the cost of UNC, which rivals Ivy League in some majors.

It is about the upper class (mostly legacy wealth) doing whatever possible to keep the middle class from advancing. Note how the SCOTUS said nothing about legacy being unconstitutional, but using race is? If one is, the other has to be. The top 1%-2% completely owns this country. And will unfortunately never change. Especially when they can have morons like us focusing on Johnny wanting to live life as Jenny and not focusing on the real issues.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 21:34:14 (permalink)
You guys do realize the loan forgiveness was 10k and up to 20k for borrowers who received pell grants, with an income limit right?
There wasn't any smartie pants college school boys gettin' 150k forgived by Dark Brandon. 

It was slated to be a one time forgiveness plan. Hopefully, it would have, or still can further the conversation of how expensive secondary education is for a person. It's an absolute joke. 

I'm pretty annoyed with Dark Brandon's crew on this one. I haven't had time lately, but why wasn't this pushed through congress/senate in 20-22? When control was had? I assume the Manchin/Sinema factor would have shut it down or been a huge obstacle but like, c'mon. Get the party in order ffs, Dems aren't the GOP. It's frustrating now to see "Oh the GOP controlled Supreme court yada yada" stuff. 
Wow - fire burned you when you touched it, what did they think was gonna happen? 
 
It's clearly a ploy to buy votes for Dems. And good for them - they should look to buy votes. The NRA's been buying votes for how long now?
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/02 23:57:05 (permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6viZ7x3iD4g
 
 LOL!!
 
 Was going to post these a few posts back but held off. Figured there was enough drama on here already but oh well. Hey it works for the Republicans so might as well take a free ride as long as possible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2...ans-campaign-guns.html
 
https://www.thetrace.org/...-gop-senate-campaigns/
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 05:57:17 (permalink)
To quote Old Joe - "come on. The hypocrisy is stunning."
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 12:36:26 (permalink)
You're comparing NRA donated funds with funds "donated" by Taxpayers?
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 13:04:28 (permalink)
 The relief plan didn't pass. The Dems will still benefit from it, maybe even more now that it got shut down? Pretty smart move on the Dems part to get young educated people to vote for them. 
 
   The wealthy took advantage of this payout greatly 
         https://readsludge.com/20...inesses-were-shut-out/
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 13:43:03 (permalink)
Gen Z > Boomers, jus say'IN.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 14:06:57 (permalink)
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Gen Z > Boomers, jus say'IN.

Laughable at best 
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 15:17:20 (permalink)
I think we can all agree that late Gen Xers are tops right now.

How about SCOTUS rulings based on imaginary plaintiffs in hypothetical cases?

https://www.newsweek.com/...eme-court-case-1810419

Wild times.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 15:19:41 (permalink)
Prior to this current legislation working its way through (PSU and Pitt portion just denied but still working on a solution), PA was 49th in the country in funding per in state student in the country. I am not sure with this legislation, likely 45-46. Forcing Pitt (ranked around 62 best in country and Penn State ranked around 75) to charge as much or more than most of the top 50 schools in the country. The only two schools in PA actually worth their tuition are Penn and CMU that aren’t PA funded. Unless you are a certifiable genius or your dad buys your way in, you are forced to completely overpay in PA. To a point where it is financially a better move to pay out of state tuition for a top 50 school and ends up costing less for most. PSU and Pitt would both be in the top 50 with how much they charge, if PA were just to invest in the median of the country, yet in the top 15, like PA is in population and income. Strong education brings in high paying jobs to the state. The investment has been one of the most proven strategies of return on taxpayer invested funds of anything.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 15:26:55 (permalink)
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I think we can all agree that late Gen Xers are tops right now.


That's correct. My point , there are more voting Zers than Boomers and people don't like it.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 16:09:30 (permalink)
Maybe voting age, do they vote? If every D and every R voted, there wouldn’t be an R party in 2-3 elections. The Ds just happen to put Hillary and Joe as their candidate and people don’t show. Lucky for Biden, he was running against the Dotard, so people showed up. Just like they will if cult pushes him through again.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 16:41:41 (permalink)
Yea I dunno if gen z is a reliable voting block yet. I think we are just getting to the point where millennials are voting consistently. However there is some data that suggests millennials aren’t shifting rightward as they get older, at least not as much as previous generations. 538 just did a podcast on this topic. But that’s definitely not something that would bode well for republicans (if it continues).
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 16:48:07 (permalink)
Reliable or not, next to none are voting for an R.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 16:50:24 (permalink)
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Just like they will if cult pushes him through again.


This is exactly why, for the life of me, I can't figure out why the party is so beholden to tRump. They need to go younger, saner, and more towards the middle of spectrum or its gonna be curtains for them.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 17:13:19 (permalink)
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However there is some data that suggests millennials aren’t shifting rightward as they get older, at least not as much as previous generations.

Far too early for that. Most Gen Xers that I know have only slightly leaned right the past few years. Most only shifted right fiscally, socially are still left leaning. Although, the current “binary” stuff, I think even confuses much of the left leaning Gen Xers. Don’t get me wrong, I know a few culties from Gen X, but mental illness is real.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 18:22:04 (permalink)
 Hope Gen Z breed  They are the smallest generation yet right behind Xers. Maybe the illegal immigrants can take up some of the slack   
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 21:07:29 (permalink)
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Porktown
Just like they will if cult pushes him through again.


This is exactly why, for the life of me, I can't figure out why the party is so beholden to tRump. They need to go younger, saner, and more towards the middle of spectrum or its gonna be curtains for them.


He hates who they hate. It's as simple as that for 95% of them. 
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 21:41:21 (permalink)
Millennials are putting out some excellent music. Will give them that. Not that Gen Z lacked that at all (or boomers too, some excellent music). Some of you cooler boomers might want to check out some of the newer psych bands, if you was into that scene. A bit of a throwback feel, but like most things, innovation (cheating compared to technology of the day), musicians/athletes/just about every profession are getting “better”. Hard work at a craft is top and obviously being gifted at it, but the advantages of modern day to take shortcuts in learning any craft are undeniable and will lead to “better” with equal or lesser talent. Will undoubtedly be that way likely forever.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/03 21:52:39 (permalink)
 Yep
 
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/04 07:00:57 (permalink)
DarDys
When one’s ideology clouds being able to accept first-hand reality, then their is little hope the idealist.


One of my favorite quotes. "When ideology does not agree with reality, it is reality that must change". Typical leftist younger generational thinking.
 
And oh, BTW, those 12 million jobs that Biden "created" in just two years? Nothing more than a Democrat talking point. The economy is "roaring" at slightly over 1%. 9.3 million of those "created" jobs were returns to folks' jobs after Covid. Geeze!! Even Canada's economy is growing at 3%, and we aren't even close. Let's go, Brandon!

Never try to argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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Re: Trump 2024 2023/07/04 07:34:09 (permalink)
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One of my favorite quotes. "When ideology does not agree with reality, it is reality that must change". Typical leftist younger generational thinking.
 
And oh, BTW, those 12 million jobs that Biden "created" in just two years? Nothing more than a Democrat talking point. The economy is "roaring" at slightly over 1%. 9.3 million of those "created" jobs were returns to folks' jobs after Covid. Geeze!! Even Canada's economy is growing at 3%, and we aren't even close. Let's go, Brandon!

That quote IS politics in general. When a party’s ideology isn’t met, when they get a majority they push party line legislation or stack courts in party line votes.

Are you disagreeing with Dardys on the massive amounts of high paying jobs for college graduates? Most jobs have nothing to do with who is in office or their policies. Brandon and Dotard have no control over the Federal Reserve. We can call it a free market, but Federal Reserve has a very heavy thumb on that free market. We are in a rolling recession and have been since covid.
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