RFK got time on Rogan. Expect to see him gain some popularity in the coming weeks

DeadGator401
RFK got time on Rogan. Expect to see him gain some popularity in the coming weeks

Rogan and some others put up over $1 million for the charity of choice for Dr. Peter Hoetz - a big time vax scientist -   to debate/refute RFK with no time limit, but he turtled because, “In science, we don’t typically do debates."  lololol.
  
Saw a poll last week that RFK has higher favorability than both Dementia Joe and Lockdown Donald.  I mean a turnip probably does too, so I guess that's not saying much.  
 
 

I know this is WAY off topic but now that the subject of COVID vac's has been brought up I would like to offer my personal experience in regard to them. Me and my wife got both vacinations  plus the booster. We both got COVID. My neighbor got both vac's plus booster and had COVID twice. He had arguments with some of his family members who refused to get the vac's. Turns out some of them NEVER got COVID. I don't know what to think about the whole situation. Some of my family members who got vac's got COVID and some who didn't get vac's also got COVID, some didn't.
Luck of the draw I guess. From what I gather there have been reports of health issues cropping up from getting the vac's themselves! All I know for sure is two weeks after I got COVID I developed atrial fibrillation. 
 
 

snagr
That’s impossible Bigfoot!

https://youtu.be/22Nt8jHT7lU

Totally serious question to people who are still pushing this rhetoric.

Things have changed drastically since the days before we had vaccines. It’s like covid is basically a non issue right now although I’m sure there will be seasonal flare ups in the winter months, but I think it’s reasonable to say that things are pretty close to pre covid normal.

So do you believe that covid just went away on its own?

Do you not believe that large portions of the population getting the covid vaccine had nothing to do with the numbers of covid related deaths dropping dramatically? Especially the people that were at higher risk of developing complications, like the elderly and those with pre existing conditions?

This next part is anecdotal of course, but since others are sharing their personal experiences, I guess I’ll share mine too.

Personally, I know a handful of people that got covid before the vaccines were available. Maybe 20 or 30 people tops. And I know like three unvaccinated people that died from covid.

I also know lots of people that got vaccinated and then got covid anyway. If you factor in co-workers and more casual acquaintances from the music scene around pittsburgh, we’re probably talking hundreds of people, but I do not know a single person that died after they got the vaccine.

snagr

Places that kept track - some states and cities in the US and other countries (the CDC did not) showed that the vaxxed were hospitalized and died at similar to higher rates as the unvaxxed.

I would really really really like to see some kind of link or something that shows real data or science that supports the idea that unvaccinated people died or were hospitalized at the same rate as vaccinated people.

Here’s a sample of what a debate with RFK jr might look like

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D3OkKer7Ohw

RFK jr claims Wi-Fi causes cancer and it “opens up the blood brain barrier”. When Rogan asks him how, he just says it’s beyond his expertise.

No real scientist is going to debate this guy because all he has is crazy talk.

He is one click away from being a flat earther. As soon as voters find out what kind of clown he is, he’ll go from polling 10-20% to 1%.

pensfan1

snagr


Places that kept track - some states and cities in the US and other countries (the CDC did not) showed that the vaxxed were hospitalized and died at similar to higher rates as the unvaxxed.

I would also like to see some data or studies that show that. Lemmie knw, jus say'IN..

Agreed, that'd be a very interesting stat to see. 

Attachments are not available: Download requirements not met
 
 
 
 
 
I told you you wouldn’t find it from the CDC.  You won’t find it on Google either.
 
Let's do a little reasoning and critical thinking together, shall we?   
 
When vaccines rolled out in the US in early 2021, how well do you think the US did on a federal level and state level at keeping track of who was vaccinated and who wasn’t, and where the vaccinated were at in their status?
 
How well did the US do at defining who was “fully vaccinated?”  How many times did the goal posts move on that?
 
For most of 2021 here’s what US data collection was like on this:
 
With your first shot, you were by vaccinated by every historical meaning of the word, but not counted as vaccinated.  With your second shot, you were vaccinated by every historical meaning of the word, but not counted as vaccinated until 14 days later. 
 
Why do you think that was the case?  The answer is important in understanding vaccine effectiveness.    
 
Secondly, how was this vaccination information shared?  Did Walgreens and CVS or the local, independent pharmacy provide names and vaccination status to the state they were in?  Did hospitals and doctors’ offices?  Did the states then share this with the CDC?  
 
Then, all of a sudden, you weren’t considered vaccinated if you didn’t have a booster.  
 
In 2021, do you think some agency at a state or federal level in the US had an accurate record of who was fully vaccinated and who wasn’t, and was really making pronouncements about hospital and death data by vaccination status in good faith and with good data?  
 
In the US, if somebody was hospitalized or died with Covid and their vaccination status wasn’t in a state or federal database already and their status was unknown, they were counted as unvaccinated.  The CDC and US data by and large on this was corrupted by numerous confounders.  
 
By late 2021 and early 2022, our record keeping started to catch up.  And you might remember that around this time last year, very abruptly the CDC stopped tracking hospitalizations and deaths by vaccination status all together.  Why do you think this is?  I’ll give you a hint: It’s not because they got tired of doing it.  
 
So more reliable data exists in countries that didn’t start having widespread Covid problems until late 2021 and early 2022 and where vaccinations were rolled out when cases weren’t surging.  These countries also have more nationalized healthcare systems, and had much more stringent rules about being vaxxed if you wanted to work and participate in society.  So vaccine uptake was high and data keeping was important.  
 
Countries like Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and Canada to some extent.  Most of whom, by the way, didn’t really have problems with Covid until their mass vaccination rollout.  
 
So yeah, you won’t find this on Google or the CDC website.  But you will find it on various platforms compiled by intellectually curious individuals and independent journalists who cared about the truth and searched data bases in places that took record keeping seriously and reported the data rather honestly, whether it looked good or not.  
 
Anyway, here’s a little nugget for all you hungry little birds that'll have to hold you over for a few days while I go feeshin and watch baseball games.  
 
New South Wales, Australia.  Population 8.1 million.  Roughly 85% vaxxed during this time period.  
 
Attachments are not available: Download requirements not met

The New South Wales covid data was making the rounds on social media earlier this year. It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

The vaccination rate in New South Wales was over 96% of the population. Of course there will be more hospitalizations of vaccinated individuals. There are barely any unvaccinated people left.

This article does a pretty good job of explaining how the data is being distorted

https://www.reuters.com/a...ccinated-idUSL1N3442XK

Pandemic is over.  
 
Let's get back to the meat of this thread.  Trump and Biden both being unfit for office.
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/n...ation-new-transcripts/

snagr


The graph presents RATES for each demographic.  
 
So it very much means what I think it means.  
 
 

Im sorry but it pretty clearly says “rate of events per 1mil population”. It’s right on the graphic you posted.

It’s rates for each vaccinated status per 1mil of the overall population.

Porktown
Pandemic is over.  
 
Let's get back to the meat of this thread.  Trump and Biden both being unfit for office.
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/n...ation-new-transcripts/

Maybe the covid talk is just a delfection? jus ask'IN?

.

Apparently FishinGuy is just another $hill for Big Pharma.

HoW mUCh r they paYInG u Fi$HinGuy???

Sad face.

woodnickle
Trump 2024

You mean, this guy?
Family values, amiright?

'While president, Donald Trump made sexual comments about his daughter Ivanka in front of his employees that were so lewd and disturbing that he was rebuked by his one-time chief of staff John Kelly, a former Trump official writes in a new book.

“Aides said he talked about Ivanka Trump’s breasts, her backside, and what it might be like to have sex with her, remarks that prompted Kelly to remind the president that Ivanka was his daughter,” writes Miles Taylor, a former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security, in his new book, according to Newsweek.'