ICE NUT
The smart people on here not us average American's can google does wages keep up with inflation and low and behold every article says NO.If don't believe it look it up .The problem is even worse for fixed income people You got a big 3.2 % increase and Medicare raised the amount it takes from you.If you have a supplemental to cover what Medicare doesn't they also raised their rates.every trip to the store us average American's can see every product has risen in price,check interest rates lately on new or used cars, how about a mortgage the prices are probably pretty cheap now i bet esp the interest rate.Gas comes down a few dimes the week later its back up still a dollar more than 3 years ago WHY? I'm awaiting our new sewage and water rates to come in rumor has it most towns are going to increase up to 50%.I sure can see how good i feel about the Economy'll

Taylor Swift says Biden economy good.

JM2
Some of us average Americans see it as the Democrats holding a secure border hostage in their effort to get an amnesty bill.

1. MAGA cult =/= “average Americans”

2. It’s called “compromise”. It’s how bipartisan government is supposed to function.

And how is it the democrats holding something hostage when they have been negotiating this deal for months, and the republicans all of a sudden shut everything down when trump opened his big mouth?

Any average American with even the tiniest sliver of critical thinking skills will see through this right wing BS.

ICE NUT
The smart people on here not us average American's can google does wages keep up with inflation and low and behold every article says NO.If don't believe it look it up .The problem is even worse for fixed income people You got a big 3.2 % increase and Medicare raised the amount it takes from you.If you have a supplemental to cover what Medicare doesn't they also raised their rates.every trip to the store us average American's can see every product has risen in price,check interest rates lately on new or used cars, how about a mortgage the prices are probably pretty cheap now i bet esp the interest rate.Gas comes down a few dimes the week later its back up still a dollar more than 3 years ago WHY? I'm awaiting our new sewage and water rates to come in rumor has it most towns are going to increase up to 50%.I sure can see how good i feel about the Economy'll

That is what I am saying. Gator noted economic indicators are all positive, which they are. He was suggesting the Trump campaign would lean harder into the immigration issue, since the economy wouldn’t be their ticket to win. I am saying it still is.

Economic indicators measure the “health” of an economy. Per basic economics, it is a healthy economy. That is a fact. To the average American, myself being one, it doesn’t FEEL like a healthy economy. You noted examples, I agree with all and can list 100 more. But by definition, it is a healthy economy. Most average Americans don’t understand that. Take it as an insult if you like, it wasn’t meant to be and I am not claiming to be any wiser. Just as you noted using Google to look up wages keeping up with inflation, look up economic indicators and the health of the US economy. You will find that it is doing very well compared to the rest of the world.

We are dealing with global inflation caused by a global pandemic and a global disruption to supply chains. Add in a bit of businesses taking advantage of the situation to raise prices “since everyone else is”, made it worse. It is part of an economy, but factoring in that it is now close to target inflation rate, GDP and currently avoiding a recession in the process, it is what most economists would consider either healthy or the best case scenario of what we dealt with. To most of us average Americans, it stinks stopping for fast food and getting a bill that is as much or more than what it used to be a nice sit down restaurant.

It is also the truth that Presidential policy has little to do with the spike in inflation. The spike in inflation started while our economy was mostly still following Trump policy. His policies had barely anything to do with it though. The parts of the policy that did either were necessary at the time (covid /stimulus funding) or things that were put into place well before inflation and worked well under normal times but fed into inflation (he isn’t a future teller). Like any policy of ours, we rarely get it perfect and likely too much spent on covid or too much in other areas that didn’t help when inflation was taking off, but it didn’t start the inflation. That was 100% to do with global supply chains being disrupted and severe lack of supply when demand picked up (basic economics). Again, not blaming Trump at all for it. Biden wasn’t able to get all that much of his agenda accomplished due to filibuster and other politics, so not all that much was in place of his when inflation was taking off and had already had the global chain reaction in place before he took office. Biden being in office when it really spiked, of course people are going to point fingers. Especially when listening to political talking heads repeat it 24/7/365. But Biden’s policies have done very little to increase inflation and very little to squash inflation. The latter is 100% the Fed and honestly should be commended for their handling. And my 401k, being 48 years old, filled with growth stocks is down pretty big…. But they still kept the overall economy from tanking and inflation from hitting hyperinflation like many countries are currently dealing with.

While at it, use Google to look at average gas prices for the past 8 years. Look at those dates and look at Covid dates. Cherry picking prices of gas when 90% of the economy was on lockdown is either disingenuous or you are less wise than I think you are. Look at gas prices of Trump’s term prior to covid. Factor in inflation and tell us all honestly, how much should gas cost right now? If you really want to keep Googling, look up how many gas refineries were operation prior to covid and how many now. I’d imagine in this search, you will stumble onto articles of why gas prices are what they were 8 years ago, 5 years ago, 2 years ago and now. Biden has ZERO to do with current gas prices lowering. Unless there was some sort of tax incentive to expand on the refineries. Which there might have been, so maybe gets that.

A simple compromise would be let's break this bill up and do each one separately.One for the border which would pass w/o a problem minus the billions for Ukraine and the billions for Israel.What does money for other countries have to do with our own security here in US . 

MyWar

JM2
If I demanded that you drink a glass of poison that was potent enough to kill three people, you probably would refuse to drink it. If I then said "let's compromise, just drink half." Would that work for you.
 

This isn’t remotely analogous to immigration or how the government works.

Either you know that and you’re arguing in bad faith, or you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are.

That's rich coming from the guy who acts like he is the smartest one in the room 

MyWar
or you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are.

He has proven this many times.

MyWar

JM2
If I demanded that you drink a glass of poison that was potent enough to kill three people, you probably would refuse to drink it. If I then said "let's compromise, just drink half." Would that work for you.
 

This isn’t remotely analogous to immigration or how the government works. 

Either you know that and you’re arguing in bad faith, or you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are.

If it escapes you, the point is that it's not how the government should work. Single bills that address specific issues would be refreshing. First secure our borders, then address the other issues with stand alone bills.
 
I am blessed, or maybe cursed with a very good memory. Three year ago you claimed that the illegal immigrant problem at the southern border was just something drummed up to stir up the right wing base. Now, three years later going into an election year the regime now wants to "correct" a problem that they, and you have claimed never existed.

JM2
I am blessed, or maybe cursed with a very good memory. Three year ago you claimed that the illegal immigrant problem at the southern border was just something drummed up to stir up the right wing base.

Yup. It was then and still is.

 Nice to see the sunshine today! 
 
 

Wow this mayorkas impeachment. What a disaster for the House GOP.

Republicans think they have it in the bag until Al Green shows up at the last minute in hospital scrubs… meanwhile Steve Scalise is in the hospital receiving stem cell treatments which republicans want to ban because something something abortion.

And this is the same week that Tucker Carlson is in Russia slobbering all over putin’s knob.

Unbelievable.

It's probably just a spam attempt, similar to the post before it.

Let em in, let's see what side they're on!

MyWar
Wow this mayorkas impeachment. What a disaster for the House GOP.

Republicans think they have it in the bag until Al Green shows up at the last minute in hospital scrubs… meanwhile Steve Scalise is in the hospital receiving stem cell treatments which republicans want to ban because something something abortion.

And this is the same week that Tucker Carlson is in Russia slobbering all over putin’s knob.

Unbelievable.

Dude, stfu....Talking out your arse as usual.
 
https://www.cancer.gov/pu...s-stem-cell-transplant

MyWar

eyesandgillz

MyWar
Wow this mayorkas impeachment. What a disaster for the House GOP.

Republicans think they have it in the bag until Al Green shows up at the last minute in hospital scrubs… meanwhile Steve Scalise is in the hospital receiving stem cell treatments which republicans want to ban because something something abortion.

And this is the same week that Tucker Carlson is in Russia slobbering all over putin’s knob.

Unbelievable.

Dude, stfu....Talking out your arse as usual.
 
https://www.cancer.gov/pu...s-stem-cell-transplant

You wanna elaborate there professor?

Nope, tired of spoon feeding dumb as liberals....If u can't figure it out, definitely no hope for you in the game of life...

Porktown
Anyone here when Cowher called Mahommes, Kelce. Wow, put him in a nursing home.

Hell, put him in the White House. Sleepy Joe called the Egyptian President, the Mexican President. WOW!