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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/04 10:28:08 (permalink)
Frost advisories may be needed (NWS) for inland NW PA tonight (5/4). Sunny and mid 70s yesterday, partly sunny upper 40s today and lows touching 31 tonight.

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/04 12:15:21 (permalink)
I use landscaping fabric on the small garden and it works great. You just have to clean it up in the spring. It also costs. I have an endless supply of burlap and have used them, but you need at least 2 stacked to keep weeds out. They will decompose, but get caught in the tiller and the more you use the more time they take to decompose, so you have to pull them in the spring often. I have also used sawdust on top of the burlap and by itself as we can get it from the Amish for next to nothing. . The big garden I cultivate and then use small tiller between rows. I usually get to a point in august where the weeds get the best of me , but by that time the veggies are established and I just pick around the weeds

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/04 18:47:53 (permalink)
I guess I could use the fabric then pulled it up in the fall. Maybe roll it up and reuse? My plot is 32' x 20' thanks for the input fellas.
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/04 22:27:28 (permalink)
Freeze warning PA


336 PM EDT Mon May 4 2020

...FREEZE WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 8 AM EDT TUESDAY...

* WHAT, Sub - freezing temperatures as low as 31 expected.

* WHERE, Southern Erie and Crawford Counties.

* WHEN, From 2 AM to 8 AM EDT Tuesday.

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/05 08:02:12 (permalink)
No frost this am here

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/05 08:48:52 (permalink)
Hello Clint... hope all is well with you.

We hit a low of 29 early this morning though my official unofficial temp thermometer records highs & lows it doesn't record time so I don't know if the freezing temps were a quick dip or for several hours here NW PA.

Sun was over the tree tops when I peeped out the window this morning and I could see a light coating of frost here & there but not everywhere.

Sure hope the frost was short lived. Leaves are just beginning to come out on the trees.

I know frost is is to be expected until Memorial Day but dang enough of the cold weather.

Be safe.. be well.

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 10:02:17 (permalink)
Ok, ok. Enough already with the weather ( snow, winds and rain) depression is really setting in hard.
I have a ton of seed started plants that need to go in the ground. A ton of yard work that needs attention and can't do a darn thing about going fishing. Hopefully the apple blossoms didn't get destroyed last night.
Quarantine, weather and isolation SUCKS !!
I'm really not sure if I will ever see a return to " normal " again in my lifetime. The future of new normal just doesn't work for me.

Well, to answer a question asked about landscape fabric..
I put it down in my raised beds with minimal success. The weeds do find away to work around it, especially the outside edges and eventually migrate to inside the fabric.
My advice, cardboard works just as well and will turn to a compost instead of a mess of material you have to try and pull out later.
It does however work better around trees which you continue to add mulch around every year or 2.

"whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 10:31:04 (permalink)
Everything is at least a week late.
Hot day or two- Rain  then windy and cold
C'mon Mannn, lets get to spring.
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 12:43:48 (permalink)
I feel that HT. This is ridiculous. I remember the "old" days when no one planted until Memorial Day weekend. Hopefully we get a little extra time on the back end come September. Maybe the yards will finally dry out by then😂😂😂.
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 12:57:28 (permalink)
Snowing like crazy and weather guy posting freeze advisories for my area, tonight into tomorrow morning.

Crazy May weather but better weather coming.

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 14:06:55 (permalink)
I've found the heavy duty landscape fabric (the one with the lines) made by DeWitt to be good but it's very expensive.  The thin stuff you get at the big box stores or local shops is garbage and doesn't last or work as well.  
I went to a hydroponic system a few years ago incorporating 5 gallon pails (one for the plant, one for the water source) that are interconnected with pex pipes.  The water is gravity  fed so other than a pail as a water reservoir it needs no electrical water pump as you see in some hydroponic systems.  The system lessens the amount of water, weeding and fertilizer needed.     
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 14:24:55 (permalink)
troutbum how is that system working for you?

I tried a similar, though much smaller, system using gallon jugs in a shallow tote. I did really great producing jugs of rootballs. 😞

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 16:48:50 (permalink)
BTDT   The system has worked out very well.  I thought I had more pictures but can't find them.  I made my own soil mix of sphagnum moss, garden soil, composted manure, vermiculite and slow release fertilizer.  

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 17:01:42 (permalink)
TB, I found The Pro 5 made by DeWitt. Comes in a 5' x 250'. Is that the one you were talking about? All the reviews I read rank it very high. With a roll that long at $125 makes it a pretty good deal. IMO.

BTW, nice little system you got going on there. 👍👍
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 17:36:32 (permalink)
WOW.... that's fantastic Troutbum, thanks for putting up the pictures. Except the one of your bounty.. I'm jealous as heck.

Gotta love the "let's do this". lol

Is that a solar heater for your swimming pool?
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2020/05/09 17:38:34

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/09 17:52:22 (permalink)
I dig TB idea and would like to eventually, someday do a greenhouse hydroponic system
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 06:10:43 (permalink)
Could be Memorial Day before a guy can safely begin his garden.

Low of 33 this day in my area of NW PA. Temp began climbin to 34 by 5:45 AM.

57 they say, for today, then a low of 37 and rain, on the way.

I shoulda been a poet or maybe I shoulda just say, have a nice day.🙉


Update: 6:45 AM (eastern) 37 degrees. At least it ain't snowin.... yet😞
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2020/05/10 06:48:44

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 08:27:50 (permalink)
I'm thinking by Wednesday we make a huge swing in temperatures. Ofcourse I never trust the weather but we are seeing 70's by Wednesday and possibly 80's ( ugh) next week.

Traditional, we would plant just after mother's day but I've always seen 2 feet of snow on memorial weekend and early June in the Adirondack mountains.
I'm planting on Wednesday, screw it

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 08:40:33 (permalink)
My vehicle was covered with snow when I got off of work yesterday morning, stayed cold until a short warm up in afternoon to a balmy 40 degrees or so. Actually made good working weather. (Went to my Dad's place and got a load of firewood)... Looks like no spring this year to speak of, straight from mud season to summer. 
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 09:00:41 (permalink)
BTDT  photo of plants.  

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 10:06:14 (permalink)
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BTDT  photo of plants.  



Ya just gotta rub it in..... 😝

Healthy looking plants and peppers are great size.

Congratulations. 👍


I got a bunch of litter pails and your system might be a great project while I layover in the south.

I sure ain't gonna try the system I made. Takes up less room for storage, and during use but gee whiz, there's just no flavor in rootballs. Unless ya cook the dirt too. 🙈
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2020/05/10 10:18:33

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 10:10:31 (permalink)
HT 😅 Go for it, I don't blame ya.

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 10:42:54 (permalink)
I am worried I may have lost my lettuce and early peas as they were just poking through. My garlic is a foot high I think it is ok. I was a little late bringing in some BlackBerry plants I had started in basement and lost some leaves. 3 inches of snow yeasterday

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 10:59:50 (permalink)
That sucks Clint but maybe if the plants were blanketed with snow and didn't get hit with direct frost. Fingers crossed. 🤞🏼

Leaves been comin out on the trees locally and so far still looking good after recent frost.
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2020/05/10 11:03:02

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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/10 11:46:26 (permalink)
Spring is on the way!! Starting middle of week 70's are predicted until ????
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/11 12:19:19 (permalink)
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TB, I found The Pro 5 made by DeWitt. Comes in a 5' x 250'. Is that the one you were talking about? All the reviews I read rank it very high. With a roll that long at $125 makes it a pretty good deal. IMO.

BTW, nice little system you got going on there. 👍👍



I get 2 years out of the cheaper fabric from HD.  It seems to help with weeds and the blight...especially when new.  Try to keep your maters up via cages/stakes (not the little blue pill) and keep the leaves off the ground.  I have been pinching all the lower leaves/branches off that I can until the plants get overly big and it seems to delay when the blight gets my maters.   I can get two/maybe 3 big pickings of canning tomatoes now when before, with just grass mulch and not pinching leaves/branches, I was only get one picking before the blight got me.  I try to keep up with the Daconil spray too...I bought the concentrate and just mix it up as I need it.  I have a fairly small garden though so the upkeep isn't too bad.
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/11 14:19:24 (permalink)
eyes some great advice keeping the maters staked and leaves trimmed.

The blight thingy, I couldn't beat that stuff. I tried fresh soil treated with peroxide in raised beds (car tires) and still got whacked.

Nice to hear you being successful. (I am jealous😞)

If I remain status quo through this summer, I'm thinking "hanging basket" style tomatoes. However, a smaller version of Troutbums garden isn't out of the question. I think it would fun to have such a system while on vacation. Will give me sumthin to do when I ain't fishin... thank you very much. 🍻
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/11 15:31:41 (permalink)
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I like to pinch off the "sucker" stems also. I usually re-tie the plants when needed. What do you suggest for crawling plants like cukes, zukes and melons? Should put something under the fruits to keep them off the fabric? Like container lids or something like that? I think I am going to go with the HD. Do you think I could roll it up after pulling everything, and reuse it? Or do I just leave it down?

My mother grows all her stuff in buckets and those giant mulch bags. It does really well, tomatoes and peppers.

I would have to guess and hope, anything is gonna be better than last year. All that rain in May n June really screwed me. I got hardly anything out of all those plants. Like I said, prolly middle of next week I'll get my plants and get started.

Thanks for the info fellas.
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/11 16:08:16 (permalink)
For cukes and similar vining plants I used old lattice panels, cut to about 2 ft wide. Supported them laid flat off of the ground with cement blocks and when the plants grew long enough I laid them onto the lattice and they grew along them. Kept them off of the ground pretty well. Would have to add supports about every 2 ft to keep them from sagging too much when the plants got heavy.
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Re: The garden thread 2020/05/11 16:21:40 (permalink)
Weather says 2 more days of this crap then its OVER🤞🤞🤞 Let's hope they know wtf they're talking about.
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