Pymatuning Carp

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2017/08/31 10:13:00 (permalink)

Pymatuning Carp

I saw a post on another board about the dead carp all over the lake. Is this true? If so, what is the cause?
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    roygpa
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/08/31 10:35:22 (permalink)
    Went for a boat ride last Saturday, saw maybe a dozen dead carp.
    My wife took her sister and niece to the spillway to see the carp and they were not there.
     
    Don't know the reason for either one, but suspect the lack of carp at the spillway was low oxygen content in the water as there was no water flow from the upper lake.
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/08/31 15:25:20 (permalink)
    I thought carp could come to the surface and gulp oxygen if needed.
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/08/31 16:58:52 (permalink)
    roygpa
    Went for a boat ride last Saturday, saw maybe a dozen dead carp.
    My wife took her sister and niece to the spillway to see the carp and they were not there.
     
    Don't know the reason for either one, but suspect the lack of carp at the spillway was low oxygen content in the water as there was no water flow from the upper lake.


    Someone may have been fishing with gluten free dough balls again?
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/08/31 22:51:46 (permalink)
    Coy Herpes Virus? Seems a bit early. My limited understanding of the virus is it occurs in the spring spawning season when carp come in direct contact one another or in the fall when water temps drop into the mid-60's. The virus is introduced into waterways when coy ponds flood or infected coy are released. Its rather devastating to the carp population. Years back I spent a week on Chautauqua Lake and dead carp numbering in the thousand were floating. There were so many and the smell was so bad that dead carp were being removed and hauled away in dump trucks.    
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/01 17:09:03 (permalink)
    Hey D-Nymph that was hilarious about the gluten free dough balls...I think they are dying because of the 6 month old Town Talk bread the touristos have been throwing in there for the past 50 yrs..
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/03 13:55:48 (permalink)
    They may be trying chemicals to see if they can find something to help eradicate the bighead carp before they get this far. Perfect lake to use isn't it?
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/03 17:15:53 (permalink)
    Well, he did say he was going to drain the swamp.....

    "Fair winds and following seas..."
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/04 12:05:47 (permalink)
    There is no Carp shortage on Pymy....... for sure ! 
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/04 13:36:03 (permalink)
    Carp, Catfish, Crick Chubs, Trout all the same. I still can't catch them stupid fish.😯

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/04 19:25:44 (permalink)
    Gotta fish to catch them lol saw 5 close to the launch today rotting on the shore line. Only fished for 2 hours because the baby wasn't enjoying the white caps. Had a couple bumps on cranks and lost what looked to be a musky.
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/04 21:53:15 (permalink)
    outasync
    Gotta fish to catch them lol


    Shouldn't you be sitting in a tree?😉

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/04 21:59:09 (permalink)
    A few more weeks!
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/04 23:25:06 (permalink)
    10-4 on the "few weeks". I'm seeing boring holes in the ice in another month. lol

    How did your new rig ride out the gales of September?

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/05 09:16:22 (permalink)
    Pretty good actually. I was impressed. Going into the waves sucked though wife and I both got soaked lol still getting used to steering a tiller.

    The in laws were out yesterday. Took home 50 Erie sized perch and a half dozen big bluegill. Guess I shoulda went that route lol
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/05 09:49:35 (permalink)
    Dave good deal on the boat handling. Sum them windy days on Pymie do kick up nasty rollers.

    Not sure about getting the better half soaked though. Next time you go out by yourself, maybe double check that drain plug. Make sure someone didn't remove it when you wasn't lookin. lol

    Sounds like your in-laws had a really much better day.

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/16 21:37:54 (permalink)
    I was a Pymy last week and the stench of dead fish was bad. I saw probably 100 large dead carp and the vultures were having a field day. Fishing was poor and I caught one channel cat and some small perch. I fished mainly in the south end.  It's sure been a tough year.
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/19 16:00:50 (permalink)
    I was at the in-laws place this weekend (about a mile south of the causeway on the Ohio side) and they are picking up about 20-30 dead carp a day along the shoreline.  They also picked up a dead 25" walleye. 
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/21 15:03:40 (permalink)
    I'm here at my camp today went down to Snodgrass and the dead carp are everywhere I counted over 25 on 1 small beach.Went to espyville and along the beach there was no kidding 100 at least!!.The stench is terrible then went to tuttle not quite as bad but still dead fish and it stinks. THE WATER HAS GOT TO BE FULL OF BACTERIA with all the rotting fish. I'm not putting my boat in and if you got lucky good luck anf catch anything I wouldn't eat it!!!
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/21 16:39:47 (permalink)
    I can't help but question why there has not been any official comment about this from the fish commission. Are there any dead ones on the other side of the bowl? If so, I guess the ducks over on that side will have to learn to swim...
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/21 17:29:55 (permalink)
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/21 20:15:59 (permalink)
    rsquared
    http://www.meadvilletribu...a93d-8f5706ecda6c.html


    I'll be darned, thanks for putting that link up rsquared.

    Wonder just how bad this could get?

    Might Shenango be the next sight?

    Gotta research this virus thingy.

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/21 20:28:23 (permalink)
    Well here we go........ if it is the same stuff. The following is just a clip from the included article.

    http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/m/#publication?id=VM113

    What are the signs of KHV?

    Clinical signs of KHV are often non-specific. Mortality may begin very rapidly in infected populations, with deaths starting within 24 to 48 hours after the initial onset of clinical signs. In experimental studies, 82% of fish exposed to the virus at a water temperature of 72°F (22°C) died within the first 15 days (Ronen et al. 2003). KHV infection may produce severe gill lesions which exhibit as gill mottling with red and white patches (Figure 1) (may be similar to columnaris disease signs; SRAC publication #479b on Columnaris Disease). The white patches are due to necrosis (death) of the gill tissue. Gill lesions caused by KHV disease are the most common clinical signs in affected koi. Other external signs of KHV may include bleeding gills, sunken eyes, and pale patches on the skin. Some KHV infected koi may have a notched nose (Goodwin 2012). In some cases, secondary bacterial and parasitic infections may be the most obvious problem, masking the damage caused by the primary viral infection. Microscopic examination of gill biopsies often reveals high numbers of bacteria and various parasites (Hedrick et al. 2000; Haenen et al. 2004).

    Internal signs of KHVD are variable and non-specific but may include greater than normal adhesions in the body cavity and enlargement and/or mottled appearance of internal organs (Hedrick et al. 2000; Haenen et al 2004).

    Behaviorally, affected fish often remain near the surface, swim lethargically and may exhibit respiratory distress and uncoordinated swimming.



    For those who care to read the full article.

    http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/m/#publication?id=VM113
    post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2017/09/21 20:35:14

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/21 20:30:54 (permalink)
    Amazing ! Hundreds of dead Carp scattered all about Pymy and hardly a word from the Pa. Fish Commission. They test one fish at Shenango River find high PCB's and it's blasted all over the news for 50 miles for a week ! They immediately shut down the river Trout stocking and send out a barrage of warnings ! Nothing about Pymy fish..... actually very quite if you ask me ! I guess all those Carp are safe to eat or handle or transport I guess .
     
    Only effects Carp they say.... it's only a virus that kills !     
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/21 21:49:54 (permalink)
    Thanks for the link rsquared, guess I spoke too soon. I suppose you will have to use that 300 for other species now and in another lake. In a way,  it's a shame. Those carp were fun on light tackle...
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/21 22:31:59 (permalink)
    olds-Pa
    Thanks for the link rsquared, guess I spoke too soon. I suppose you will have to use that 300 for other species now and in another lake. In a way,  it's a shame. Those carp were fun on light tackle...


    Not likely all the Carp die Olds but the ones infected and don't, become carriers.

    Certainly turns me off any carp burgers.

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/22 17:53:39 (permalink)
    Lol BTDT, carp turn me off carp burgers.
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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/25 20:22:27 (permalink)
    Good call pheasant tail. We need a virus like that in canonsburg lake

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2017/09/25 20:25:22 (permalink)
     rotting fish flesh sucks up more oxygen, geez that lake is always one step back if anything weird happens cause its so shallow, no deep water buffer

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    Re: Pymatuning Carp 2018/01/18 16:19:51 (permalink)
    Good response Pheasant Tail 2, quite plausible. I was conversing about this subject 3 days ago @ a local restaurant near the lake and the owner stated "the Fish Commission said someone released goldfish in the lake and they had a virus". That would be possible, but I question how the FC was aware goldfish were released and if they were aware, one would think they would prosecute for releasing non-native species. It seems unlikely they were merely observed in the lake given its' size and unlikely they just happened to roll up on the activity as it happened. Still, it would be possible, just unlikely. I wonder how many carp were eradicated??? 
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