Brown Trout or Whale?

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2008/01/22 08:45:00 (permalink)

Brown Trout or Whale?

You decide........
 

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    D-nymph
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 09:52:22 (permalink)
    Oh my.  That's freaky.
     
    Let me guess, Spruce or Yellow Creek?
     
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 09:59:51 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: D-nymph

    Oh my.  That's freaky.

    Let me guess, Spruce or Yellow Creek?



     
    Neither............Little J

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 10:01:33 (permalink)
    http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/ice2or3/maria013.jpg



    Must be cousins !!
    post edited by gizmos - 2008/01/22 10:02:27

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 13:12:18 (permalink)
    wow that things crazy lookin
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 14:02:13 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: D-nymph

    Oh my.  That's freaky.

    Let me guess, Spruce or Yellow Creek?



     
    Still could be one of Beaver's fish, im guessing that was the point you were trying to make.
     
    How in the world was that thing even able to take a fly??
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 15:50:22 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter

    ORIGINAL: D-nymph

    Oh my.  That's freaky.

    Let me guess, Spruce or Yellow Creek?




    Still could be one of Beaver's fish, im guessing that was the point you were trying to make.

     
    Yes, it was.
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 16:24:40 (permalink)
    Boy you guys are good, this fish was caught along Beavers Property.........and to answer the question "how could this thing even take a fly" it was caught on a live red fin minnow.......about 3" long......

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 16:27:03 (permalink)
    Wonder what Beaver's clients think of that "wild" fish. 
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 16:51:05 (permalink)
    Tell me about it...........

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 16:55:46 (permalink)
    I hope you nailed it to his front door.

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/22 23:10:09 (permalink)
    Man seeing freaks like that in the Little J really upsets me.  That river used to have a wonderful wild population, or at least semi wild.  The thing was you had to really fish for them.  Whats next?  Nice day glow fish so his "paying Customers" can see them better.

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 08:57:33 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: SilverKype

    Wonder what Beaver's clients think of that "wild" fish. 

     
    He probably markets them as "wild and ultra-rare Central PA Brown Whales".
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 08:58:34 (permalink)
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    Boy you guys are good, this fish was caught along Beavers Property.........

     
    Only one man can prodoce monstrosities/freaky fish such as that.
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 10:21:10 (permalink)
    I'm no fan of DB, but to try and tie a deformed fish to him is rediculous. Deformities occur in both stocked and natural populations. It might BE one of his fish, but it could have been the result of a defect at birth, or an injury in it's early stages. One that could occur in ANY population.

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 10:42:38 (permalink)
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    I'm no fan of DB, but to try and tie a deformed fish to him is rediculous.



    I get what you're saying and it's true...BUT no it's not ridiculous at all.  You've clearly NOT fished this section, at least much at all.  I've fished his section of the J for years, not often but enough, not to mention his retarded fish swimming up and down Spruce creek.  Abnormal fish are more common where Beaver keeps his fish.   Mostly goofy lookin' short faced rainbows.  A sign of a stocked and overfed fish.  If he caught that fish from the confluence of Spruce, down about 250 hundred yards (I wouldn't be surprised if it was from the barn pool itself), it's about 99% likely that is one of Beavers.  Can't say I've ever caught a small fish there (refering to an actual LJ fish).
    post edited by SilverKype - 2008/01/23 10:49:52
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 11:01:39 (permalink)
    You tell him Jon  He is always trying to be the voice of reason  LOL
     
     

     



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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 12:07:41 (permalink)
    It was caught about 200 yards about his ground and Rothrock border..............not the barn pool, I agree that you cant tie this fish to him but were's the fun in it if you don't.............

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 13:17:14 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: spoonchucker

    I'm no fan of DB, but to try and tie a deformed fish to him is rediculous. Deformities occur in both stocked and natural populations. It might BE one of his fish, but it could have been the result of a defect at birth, or an injury in it's early stages. One that could occur in ANY population.

     
    It was a tongue in cheek comment, spoonchucker.  Not meant to be taken literally.
     
    If you've ever fished that area, you can pretty much count on catching at least one franken-fish ("franken-fish" is again a tongue in cheek comment, not meant to defame Mr. Beaver's character).  I've never fished anywhere where I expect to catch a deformed trout every time out (that part is to be taken literally).
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 13:17:53 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Sculpin 14
    I agree that you cant tie this fish to him but were's the fun in it if you don't.............


    Exactly.

    Isn't fishing (and ripping on Donny Beaver) supposed to be fun?
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 14:18:20 (permalink)
    That fish looks like it ran into one of the railroad bridges on the Little J.
     
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 15:30:42 (permalink)
    Please pardon my ignorance, but who is this Donnie Beaver, and what is his villany?
     
    I mean, I can't blame a guy for punching a fish. I've wanted to punch a couple of those hook spitters myself .
    (prior to fishing, I didn't even know that the urge existed, but hey, there it is.)
     
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 15:48:27 (permalink)
    A man who has privatized areas on Spruce Creek, Little J, Yellow Creek, Conneaut Creek (I think), and probably a bunch more I don't know about.  He is a villian in my eyes for stocking over wild fish and poluting waters(with the stockies).  For others he is a villian because he has exclusive rights to some of the best water in PA and charges outrageous amounts of money to fish them.  Recently he was involved in a public access lawsuit against the state regarding his section of the Little J.
     
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 15:53:59 (permalink)
    Donnie Beaver is the owner of the Spring Ridge Club.  Donnie has attempted to build a small empire by leasing very desirable fishing properties around the state, including frontage on the Little Juniata River.  His club boasts some very wealthy members, who dole out about $80,000 to belong to his club.  In return, he tries to provide them with some private fishing, along with some large hatchery raised fish that he tries to pass off as wild.  His antics have done some serious damage to nearby Spruce creek, as the pond raised fish have hampered the naturally reproducing browns that used to live there.  In addition, Mr. Beaver was at the center of a recently decided lawsuit that involved a dispute over access to the Little J along the property he currently controls.  He lost.  We won.
     
    Beware, he has set his sights on other parts of the state besides the Little J.  If you research a little, you will find many postings about his acquisition attempts in the Erie area, as well as other small streams, including Yellow Creek in the Bedford county area.
     
    He is not well liked by the locals around here for his antics, and it is very apparent that he is not welcome in the Erie area as well.  I have never met the man, but I do despise his tactics and the way he conducts himself as a business man, all under the guise of being a conservationalist........ 
     
    It is really hard to say if the fish in the picture came from his pond, but just the same, as many people who regularly fish the Little J will tell you, alot of fish, especially rainbows get caught near his leased property..... which is primarily a brown trout fishery.  The state stocks brown trout fingerlings only (to the best of my knowledge).......Just the same, since he is clearly trying to appease his members, he is most likely responsible for stocking the big pellet heads people catch there.....
     
    I know there are people who post here who are much closer to this than me, just trying to answer your question.....
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 15:54:24 (permalink)
     
    Who's got the pimp picture?  LOL
     
    Skip .. where you at?
     
    I don't think I could ever NOT laugh at that.  Maybe I could get a sticker made for my vehicle.   
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 16:24:46 (permalink)
    Ask and ye shall receive 
     

     
    And yet another that has been brougt to my attention  LOL
     

     



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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 16:30:19 (permalink)
    wow, that's a new one.  It's all funny!!  Killin' me.  LOL
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 16:43:12 (permalink)
    Ah, I see. I found the SRC site and some of his antics.

    So the guy likes to buy up land surrounding prime trout streams and prohibit others from fishing them, effectively making a lot of areas "members only". Thats a prety covetous, prick like thing to do.

    Hiding behind the guise of conservationist while he nails suckers for 80k a pop plus 4800 a year to maintain membership is a real****move. It's not like he actualy deeds land to the state to be preserved for public recreation. 

    And maybe its just me being ignorant of gazillionaires, but who in the hell would pay that much money to have a chance to catch a freakin fish?

    Looks like the DCNR and got his number and handled him prety well in court though.
     
    edit for afterthought-
    * I'm going t have to get over to the Little J this year. Catching a few on "his property" would make those dues worth every penny.
     
    post edited by PeteM - 2008/01/23 16:48:35
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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 17:35:26 (permalink)
    PeteM,
          The major point that many have been trying to make is that the little "J" was for years and years so polluted that it would almost rot your boots off if you stepped in it.  Then some farsighted individuals decided that public use of the river was better that continued pollution and built a new sewage plant below Tyrone.  This new plant and another one way upsream helped clean up the water enough that it could sustain a trout fishery.  NOTE;  There were always some trout in the "J" below Brimingham but not many.
          Then some people decided to try a test stocking of the river and the fish took hold really well.  As the popularity of the river increased, so did the value of the land.  The Spruce Creek was always desirable but then the "J" became a good fishing stretch.  Then money reared it's ugly head and the idea was formed to control all the fishing on the creek for only the rich to enjoy. It is nothing but; an I am better than you attitude, coming from a very small insecure person with an inflated sense of self.
          The river used to be hard to fish because there were fewer fish and some of them reached trophy size very quickly but they were hard to catch.  Now, depending on where you fish, catching a big fish on the "J" is as easy as fishing in a hatchery. The only thrill in fishing the Espy Farm  is that you are almost gauranteed to catch something because they are pellet fed daily. If you want a real challenge try fishing the stretch between Birmingham and the confluence with Spruce Creek, or try fishing up from Barre.   Go big, go deep and hang on.  They are in there.  If you do go on the Espy Farm Stretch be sure to stay close to the water; the land is No Tresspassing.

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    RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 18:09:55 (permalink)
    Did anyone see the "picture" of Donny with****Cheney that was in a recent issue of "The Drake" magazine?  I don't have the technology, but it would a good one to post here as well..............
     
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