Brown Trout or Whale?

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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 18:15:04 (permalink)
Thanks for the tips Indisguiz.
 
I'm still finding it difficult to wrap my head around the idea of paying that much for the "priveledge" of fishing public water.
 
Anybody wanna give me 30K to fish the yough? I know spots so secret that even the fish can't find them!
 
 
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/23 21:19:18 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Skip16503

Ask and ye shall receive 



And yet another that has been brougt to my attention  LOL



 
lol...looks like the bottom one is a new one
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/24 08:07:08 (permalink)
Skip, what does it say there below Click on the Red stream sections if
 
you have more money than ?
 
I blew it up, but can't tell.
post edited by SilverKype - 2008/01/24 11:09:34
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/24 11:29:14 (permalink)
More money than sense...... just got new glasses. Dave
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/24 11:31:03 (permalink)
Looks like it was tailgating a king that stopped short !

You decide........


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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/24 11:39:55 (permalink)
ahh I got ya. 
 
thanks Dave
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/25 15:13:36 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Brown_Trout

ORIGINAL: Skip16503

Ask and ye shall receive 



And yet another that has been brougt to my attention  LOL




lol...looks like the bottom one is a new one

 
So, DB and Lefty look to be more than just friends+strang fish=something fishy going on?
Chris
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/25 15:30:54 (permalink)
oh that's funny.  I just caught the brackets and the arrow.  That'll **** Don Wan off!!!   Watch out!!  LOL
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/26 12:27:52 (permalink)
I enjoy the fact how so many people talk down on DB, yet still fish very close to or within his property for these fish. PA has soooooooooooooo much stream to fish.....get out there and fish it.
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/26 16:17:02 (permalink)
It seems that you miss the point of contention. Yes, Pa does have so much stream to fish, but only so much. There aren't any new ones popping up, are there?
What he has done is turned that quantity of resource in to a comodity to be bought and sold. Granted, this can be done as a private property purchase by anyone, but it does bring up some serious concern when it is implemented as an aggressive business strategy designed specificaly to gain control of of the resources. If your read his plan for "conservation", you will see that this is exactly what he is doing.
 
Do you want that happening with your favorite spots?
 
As far as fishing for the fish he put in, thats a risk of putting fish in water that has been proven to be a navigable waterway. To fish within his property, you would be casting into the grass above the high water mark, which is not a good fish catching strategy.
 
For other thoughts based on the same model, http://forums.fishusa.com/Has_anyone_read_this_about_Cabelas%3F/m_55858/tm.htm .
 
It seems that the sportsman of Montana aren't too crazy about this type of thing either.
 
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/26 16:22:06 (permalink)
See what money does to a person???   lol.. me to tommy i fish close to his prop, to with great success..
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/26 17:23:13 (permalink)
It's not his fish that are the attraction.  It's 1:  ****ing him off.  2:  ****ing his clients off.  3: Getting to see what his fish have done to the actual J fish populations. 4: Fishing it BEFORE the court decision was excellent because I loved seeing him get in trouble with the law and actually enjoyed getting in battles with them, whether it was vocal, hand gestures, or just staring.  It was all fun. AND, I was in communication with the fish commission and the DEP about what was going on there .... sooooooooooo.... I enjoy reading you write about something you don't really understand.

It accounts for probably less than 1% of south central fishing for me. 
post edited by SilverKype - 2008/01/26 17:26:13
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/26 18:34:22 (permalink)
Is it legal to stock public water? Not that I'm aware of...

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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/26 22:13:05 (permalink)
No, not without permission from the PFBC.  I believe it's illegal to stock any water without permission, public or not.  Don't think it's legal to alter stream flows either.  Not law against the feeding of fish.  However, large quanities could be considered littering. 
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/26 23:24:07 (permalink)
So do this mean we the people can still fish the property he bought up? Or do we just have access through the water between the low and high water marks?

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"Balls deep, or why even bother"
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/27 13:05:32 (permalink)
Yes- you must stay between the water and the legal high water mark. If you stay in the water you're safe...

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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/28 21:58:12 (permalink)
hahahha those pictures are hilarious Skip that is so funny.  I cant stand Donny Beaver I thought my brother joined a section of stream in the Central part of PA but it was another Club thank god, he was about to get Razzed real hard. 
 
Sculpin14
 
that brown looks like a nice bodied fish from what little the picture shows but good lord, that schnozz is hideous.  I wonder if that happened in the hatchery from either getting bit or getting slammed into the wall in the rearing pen or happened later in its life?? Interesting catch, certainly one to remember. 
 
I have no familiartity with Beaver's property as Iv'e never made it out to that region to fish before, but you guys who do some private property bumping out there do you encounter these on a semi-regular basis???  Very interesting.
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/28 22:30:38 (permalink)
Kype,
 
Got a question for ya.  I was thinking about how above you mentioned that you can not alter streamflow or stock fish unless approved by pfbc.
 
I wonder how they managed to work around that dealing with Spruce?  That place is littlered with man-made ****s and loaded with big-ole pelletheads.  It seems odd that the state would allow that much damage to a "class A" trout stream, unless most of the damage was done before anyone realized how detrimental it was to the stream.  I can see how they are able to stock the little J or Yellow Creek since they are technically already stocked by the state.   
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/28 23:22:50 (permalink)
That was exactly my point Esox.  Spruce Creek used to hold a few tremedous native trout.  I mean, 15-20 inch natives existed.  That's a ridiculously large fish for such a small stream.  That right there speaks volumes for the quality and diversity this stream used to hold. You're lucky to even run into a native now.  Last one I recall a buddy caught, about 3 inches long in 2004.   Take a look at Allan's brook trout at Spruce Creek Outfitters if you ever stop in.
 
I'll stick up for Beaver and say that the downfall cannot be totally blamed on him.  He certainly made it worse and sped up the process.  Harpster and the farms along Warriors Mark Run, Halfmoon Creek certainly contribute to polluting the stream, they always have.  Harpster didn't used to own the whole stretch -- he owned bits and pieces from PA furance to Franklinville.  Now they control the whole thing, that's a quite a few miles of Spruce water.  They feed fish too, that's where Beaver got the idea.  Pretty sure Harpster's are now the largest diary farm on the east coast.  All runoff goes to Spruce.  That's a lot of cow $hit~  I think Penn State now run some type of water pump in Strongstown from Spruce's headwaters.  Just 3-4 years ago,  Spruce used to have twice the flow it does now.
 
Pretty sure the fish commission recently deemed Spruce no longer a class A wild trout stream.  Anything I've ever mentioned about altering flow or heavy feeding .. Answer I got was "they shouldn't be, we'll look into it."  It only makes perfect sense that heavy feeding is littering and altering stream flow could be devestating in a flood.   I did what I could.  They went and tested the diversity of the stream at the property line on the upper end of the psu water and replied back that Spruce has excellent stream quality and attached an excel document of their findings.  I will not deny it does have good quality but nothing compared to what it used to be.
 
I'm disappointed to say that just this past year there was finally a water gauge put in Spruce.  Too bad we don't have a history of stream flow records to compare to.
 
We lost one of the best.
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/01/29 12:29:39 (permalink)
Spruce Creek has had posted waters,scince the 70's,when I was lucky enough
to fish it with a member of a local club,a few times.................yes we did lose
a good one...................

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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/02/01 10:25:54 (permalink)


Here's anyones new killer bait of choice for the little j etc!!!!!

How many people you think wil have this in their snoopy tackle
box this opening trout day?
post edited by tommybanzai - 2008/02/01 10:26:45
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RE: Brown Trout or Whale? 2008/02/01 12:15:52 (permalink)
As if powerbait wasn't cliche enough....
 
I have some pellet flies, I used a hole punch to cut out brown foam cylinders and slid them on a hook.  Even though I fish a handful of places each year where they probably will work, I can't bring myself to tie one on.
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