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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/26 15:21:23 (permalink)
870 is probably the most reliable shotgun IMO..I own 2 of them.


Are the new ones any good?
Mine is probably 30 years old


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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/26 16:37:12 (permalink)
Anyone ever shoot one of those H/R single shot 10 gauges.


I just sold mine last year. It spent most of it's time in the corner once the Ithaca 10 ga mag came out. It still hammers me but that H/R was brutal. The biggest problem with the Ithaca is it's weight at 11-1/2 pounds loaded. They would both dump a turkey at long range though. Toyed with getting one of the new 12 ga but as the wife says they don't increase the number you can get just because you get a new gun.
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/26 19:55:51 (permalink)
   Glad  to hear I'm not alone with the Mossberg junker -was startin to think I was doing something wrong--besides buying it -when I was in the store looking for a 3" 870 in the first place. That camo pattern swayed my opinion and I have lived to regret it.
  Got 2 870s home and my boys have them too. Never a problem in years and years of use.
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/27 09:43:56 (permalink)
Most people can handle up to 22 foot/pounds of recoil without flinching due to pain. My 7mm Rem mag dished out around 19 foot/lbs and it was fine....Then I shot my cousins 300 Win Mag rated at around 28 foot/lbs....I handed it back to him saying I will never shoot that gun again.
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/27 10:00:20 (permalink)
I guess you wouldn't fare too well with a slug gun then.  An 8# gun with 2 3/4" slugs would put you in the neighborhood of 32-35 ft/lbs.  You could be an idiot and try the 3" slugs like I did and the recoil bumps up to around 45 ft/lbs.  After a box of the 3" slugs I learned my lesson...
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/27 23:34:31 (permalink)
Had an 835 Ulti-mag for a little while. Tried to pattern it in with a couple different loads. Those 3 1/2" shells were the end of me shooting that beast..Ouch.....

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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 07:31:59 (permalink)
The following are taken from various sources including the recoil nomograph in the Handloader's Digest 8th Edition, the online recoil calculator at Big Game Info (http://www.biggameinfo.com/RecoilCalc.asp), the Remington Shoot! program or calculated from the formula given in the Lyman Reloading Handbook, 43rd Edition.
For an expanded version of this table showing more loads, see the "Expanded Shotgun Recoil Table" on the Tables, Charts and Lists Page.






Gauge, length (oz. shot@MV) Gun weight (lbs.) Recoil energy (ft. lbs.)
.410 bore, 2.5" (1/2 at 1200) 5.5 7.1
.410 bore, 3" (11/16 at 1135) 5.5 10.5
28 gauge, 2.75" (3/4 at 1200) 6.0 12.8
20 gauge, 2.75" (7/8 at 1200) 6.5 16.1
20 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1220) 6.5 21.0
20 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1175) 6.5 25.0
20 gauge, 3" (1 1/4 at 1185) 6.5 31.0
16 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1220) 7.0 21.5
16 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1240) 7.0 27.6
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1180) 7.5 17.3
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1200) 7.5 23.0
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/4 at 1330) 7.5 32.0
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/2 at 1260) 7.5 45.0
12 gauge, 3" (1 5/8 at 1280) 7.5 52.0
12 gauge, 3" (1 7/8 at 1210) 8.75 54.0
10 gauge, 3.5" (2 1/4 at 1210) 10.5 62.9
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 07:35:02 (permalink)
Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocity
.17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5 0.2 n/a
.17 Rem. (25 at 4000) 8.5 1.6 3.5
.204 Ruger (33 at 4225) 8.5 2.6 4.4
.218 Bee (45 at 2800) 8.5 1.3 3.1
.22 LR (40 at 1165) 4.0 0.2 n/a
.22 WMR (40 at 1910) 6.75 0.4 n/a
.22 Hornet (45 at 2800) 7.5 1.3 3.3
.22 PPC (52 at 3300) 8.5 3.0 4.8
.221 Fireball (50 at 3000) 8.5 1.8 3.7
.222 Rem. (50 at 3200) 7.5 3.0 5.1
.223 Rem. (45 at 3500) 8.5 2.6 4.5
.223 Rem. (55 at 3200) 8.0 3.2 5.1
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025) 7.0 3.9 6.0
.22-250 Rem. (55 at 3600) 8.5 4.7 6.0
.22-250 Rem. (60 at 3500) 12.5 3.1 4.0
.220 Swift (50 at 3900) 10.5 3.7 4.8
.220 Swift (55 at 3800) 8.5 5.3 6.4
.223 WSSM (55 at 3850) 7.5 6.4 7.4
6mm PPC (85 at 2800) 7.5 5.3 n/a
.243 Win. (75 at 3400) 8.5 7.2 7.4
.243 Win. (95 at 3100) 7.25 11.0 9.9
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) 7.5 8.8 8.7
6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) 8.0 10.0 9.0
.243 WSSM (100 at 3100) 7.5 10.1 9.3
.240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3406) 8.0 17.9 n/a
.25-20 Win. (86 at 1460) 6.5 1.3 3.5
.25-35 Win. (117 at 2230) 6.5 7.0 8.3
.250 Savage (100 at 2900) 7.5 7.8 8.2
.257 Roberts (100 at 3000) 7.5 9.3 8.9
.257 Roberts (120 at 2800) 8.0 10.7 9.3
.25 WSSM (120 at 2990) 7.25 13.8 11.1
.25-06 Rem. (100 at 3230) 8.0 11.0 9.4
.25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 12.5 10.0
.257 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3602) 9.25 15.8 10.5
.257 Wby. Mag. (115 at 3433) 9.25 17.7 11.1
.257 Wby. Mag. (120 at 3300) 9.25 15.1 10.3
6.5mm Grendel (120 at 2600) 7.5 8.9 8.8
6.5x55 Swede (129 at 2700) 8.0 12.5 10.0
6.5x55 Swede (140 at 2650) 9.0 10.6 8.7
.260 Rem. (120 at 2860) 7.5 13.0 10.6
.260 Rem. (140 at 2750) 8.25 11.9 9.7
6.5mm-284 Norma (140 at 2920) 8.0 14.7 10.9
6.5mm Rem. Mag. (120 at 3100) 8.0 13.1 10.3
6.5mm Rem. Mag. (140 at 2900) 8.5 13.9 10.3
6.5x68 S (140 at 2990) 8.5 16.8 11.3
.264 Win. Mag. (140 at 3200) 8.5 19.2 12.1
6.8mm Rem. SPC (115 at 2625) 7.5 8.0 8.3
.270 Win. (130 at 3140) 8.0 16.5 n/a
.270 Win. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.1 11.7
.270 Win. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.0 11.7
.270 WSM (130 at 3275) 8.0 18.7 12.3
.270 WSM (150 at 3000) 8.0 18.9 12.3
.270 Wby. Mag. (130 at 3375) 9.0 21.0 12.3
.270 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3000) 9.25 17.8 11.1
7-30 Waters (120 at 2700) 7.0 10.0 9.6
7x57 Mauser (139 at 2700) 8.75 11.7 9.3
7x57 Mauser (145 at 2725) 8.5 13.0 9.9
7x57 Mauser (160 at 2600) 8.0 14.3 n/a
7x57 Mauser (175 at 2500) 8.0 15.5 11.2
7mm-08 Rem. (120 at 3000) 7.5 12.1 10.2
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 12.6 10.1
.284 Win (150 at 2860) 7.5 17.4 n/a
7x64 (154 at 2850) 8.0 17.9 n/a
.280 Rem. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.2 11.8
.280 Rem. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.4 11.8
.280 Rem. (160 at 2800) 8.0 17.0 11.7
7mm Rem. SAUM (160 at 2931) 8.0 21.5 13.2
7mm WSM (140 at 3200) 8.0 20.7 12.9
7mm WSM (160 at 3000) 8.0 21.9 13.3
7mm Rem. Mag. (139 at 3100) 9.0 19.3 11.8
7mm Rem. Mag. (150 at 3100) 8.5 19.2 12.1
7mm Rem. Mag. (160 at 2950) 9.0 20.3 12.0
7mm Rem. Mag. (175 at 2870) 9.0 21.7 12.5
7mm Wby. Mag. (140 at 3300) 9.25 19.5 11.7
7mm Wby. Mag. (160 at 3200) 9.0 25.6 13.5
7mm STW (160 at 3185) 8.5 27.9 14.6
7mm Ultra Mag. (140 at 3425) 8.5 25.3 n/a
7mm Ultra Mag. (160 at 3200) 8.5 29.4 n/a
.30 Carbine (110 at 1990) 7.0 3.5 5.7
.30-30 Win. (150 at 2400) 7.5 10.6 9.5
.30-30 Win. (160 at 2400) 7.5 12.7 10.5
.30-30 Win. (170 at 2200) 7.5 11.0 9.7
.30-40 Krag (180 at 2430) 8.0 16.6 n/a
.300 Sav. (150 at 2630) 7.5 14.8 n/a
.307 Win. (150 at 2600) 7.5 13.7 10.9
.308 Marlin Express (160 at 2660) 8.0 13.4 10.4
.308 Win. (150 at 2800) 7.5 15.8 11.7
.308 Win. (165 at 2700) 7.5 18.1 12.5
.308 Win. (180 at 2610) 8.0 17.5 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 20.1 12.7
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
.300 Rem. SAUM (180 at 2960) 8.25 23.5 13.6
.300 WSM (150 at 3300) 8.25 22.5 13.3
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 7.25 27.1 15.5
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 8.25 23.8 13.6
.300 Win. Mag. (150 at 3320) 8.5 23.5 13.3
.300 Win. Mag. (165 at 3110) 8.0 26.2 14.5
.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 8.5 25.9 14.0
.300 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3400) 9.25 24.6 13.1
.300 Wby. Mag. (180 at 3240) 9.0 31.6 15.0
.300 Ultra Mag. (180 at 3230) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.30-378 Wby. Mag. (180 at 3300) 9.75 42.6 16.8
7.62x39 Soviet (125 at 2350) 7.0 6.9 8.0
7.62x54R Russian (150 at 2800) 9.0 13.1 9.7
7.62x54R Russian (174 at 2600) 9.0 15.0 10.4
7.65x53 Mauser (180 at 2500) 8.0 15.4 n/a
.303 British (150 at 2700) 7.5 14.2 11.0
.303 British (180 at 2420) 8.0 15.4 11.1
7.7x58 Jap (150 at 2700) 9.0 11.9 9.2
.32-20 Win. (100 at 1984) 6.5 3.3 n/a
.32 Spec. (170 at 2250) 7.0 12.2 10.6
8x57JS Mauser (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.1 11.7
8x57 Mauser (170 at 2400) 8.0 13.6 10.4
8x57JS Mauser (195 at 2500) 8.0 18.5 12.2
.325 WSM (180 at 3060) 7.5 33.1 16.9
.325 WSM (220 at 2840) 7.5 37.5 17.9
8x68S (150 at 3300) 8.5 25.3 13.9
8x68S (200 at 2950) 9.0 29.1 14.4
8mm Rem. Mag. (200 at 2900) 8.5 32.9 15.8
.338-57 O'Connor (200 at 2400) 8.0 19.2 12.4
.338 Marlin Express (200 at 2400) 8.0 16.2 11.4
.338 Marlin Express (200 at 2600) 8.0 22.0 14.0
.338 Federal (200 at 2600) 7.0 22.2 14.3
.338 Federal (210 at 2630) 8.0 21.9 13.3
.338-06 A-Square (200 at 2800) 8.0 23.9 13.9
.338-06 A-Square (250 at 2500) 8.5 28.2 14.6
.338 Win. Mag. (200 at 2950) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.338 Win. Mag. (225 at 2780) 8.5 35.2 16.3
.338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700) 9.0 33.1 15.4
.338 Ultra Mag (250 at 2860) 8.5 43.1 n/a
.338 Lapua Mag. (225 at 3000) 9.5 37.2 15.9
.338-378 Wby. Mag. (250 at 3040) 11.75 41.1 15.0
.340 Wby. Mag. (200 at 3100) 10.0 29.6 13.8
.340 Wby. Mag. (250 at 2941) 9.0 43.4 17.6
.348 Win. (200 at 2510) 8.0 23.7 n/a
.357 Mag. (158 at 1650) 7.0 4.7 6.6
.35 Rem. (200 at 2050) 7.5 13.5 10.8
.356 Win. (200 at 2400) 7.5 17.5 n/a
.358 Win. (200 at 2490) 8.0 20.9 13.0
.358 Win. (250 at 2260) 7.66 23.0 13.9
.35 Whelen (200 at 2675) 8.0 22.6 13.5
.35 Whelen (225 at 2525) 8.0 25.0 14.2
.35 Whelen (250 at 2400) 7.5 27.9 15.5
.350 Rem. Mag. (200 at 2700) 8.5 22.3 13.0
.350 Rem. Mag. (225 at 2550) 8.5 24.2 13.5
.350 Rem. Mag. (250 at 2500) 8.5 29.0 14.8
9.3x62 (270 at 2550) 8.5 33.3 n/a
9.3x62 (286 at 2360) 9.0 28.0 14.1
9.3x74R (286 at 2400) 8.25 34.3 16.6
.370 Sako Mag. (286 at 2550) 8.5 35.2 16.3
.375 Win. (220 at 2200) 7.5 17.1 12.1
.375 Ruger (270 at 2840) 9.0 41.3 17.2
.375 H&H Mag. (235 at 2700) 9.0 29.5 14.5
.375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 9.0 36.1 16.1
.375 H&H Mag. (300 at 2530) 9.0 37.3 16.3
.375 Ultra Mag (300 at 2800) 8.75 53.2 n/a
.376 Steyr (270 at 2580) 8.0 39.0 n/a
.378 Wby. Mag. (300 at 2900) 10.25 71.1 n/a
.38-40 Win. (180 at 1100) 7.5 3.1 5.2
.38-55 Win. (220 at 1650) 7.5 10.1 9.3
.38-55 Win. (255 at 1415) 7.0 9.5 n/a
.404 Jeffery (400 at 2170) 10.25 41.0 16.1
.405 Win. (300 at 2200) 8.0 30.6 15.7
.416 Rem. Mag. (400 at 2400) 10.0 52.9 18.5
.416 Rigby (400 at 2400) 10.0 58.1 19.3
.416 Wby. Mag. (400 at 2700) 10.25 83.0 22.8
.44-40 Win. (200 at 1200) 7.0 3.4 n/a
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1760) 7.5 11.2 9.8
.44 Rem. Mag. (275 at 1580) 7.5 11.4 9.9
.444 Marlin (240 at 2400) 7.5 23.3 14.2
.444 Marlin (265 at 2200) 8.5 22.1 12.9
.45 Colt (255 at 1100) 8.0 4.0 5.6
.45 Colt +P (250 at 1500) 6.5 11.1 10.5
.45-70 (300 at 1800) 7.0 23.9 14.8
.45-70 (350 at 1900) 7.0 37.9 18.7
.45-70 (405 at 1330) 7.5 18.7 12.7
.450 Marlin (350 at 2000) 7.0 37.2 18.5
.450 Marlin (350 at 2100) 8.5 33.6 16.0
.458 Win. Mag. (400 at 2050) 9.0 41.7 17.3
.458 Win. Mag. (500 at 2100) 9.0 62.3 21.1
.458 Lott (500 at 2300) 10.0 70.4 21.3
.460 Wby. Mag. (500 at 2600) 11.25 99.6 n/a
.470 N.E. (500 at 2150) 11.0 69.3 20.1
.480 Ruger (325 at 1450) 6.25 16.4 13.0
.500 N.E. (570 at 2150) 12.0 74.5 n/a
.50 BMG (647 at 2710) 30.0 70.0 12.3




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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 09:36:34 (permalink)
i beg to differ i got 835 never james froze up once at erie, but i was to, it was freakin cold 2 of my buddies got 870s and there junk both fell appart the pump wont stay up sometimes one of them took it in once to get fixed the gun smith said it looked like it got ran over wit a truck and my 835 has been in the bottom of the river swamps buryed in snow mud wacked off trees you name it never failed me except that once idont think ill ever own anything remington again shells junk shotguns junk rifles go off wit out even pulling the trigger? ha ill keep my life thank you very much . . . . . .. . .. . just opinions
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 16:01:43 (permalink)
   Gunsmith told me its something bout the design on the Mossberg bolt- allows far too much debris to get in behind it and jams it up. Probably alright in just the canoe or a clean blind but for guys like me who get out in the 'stuff' and move around it doesnt seem to last.
Been using the 870 for over 40 yrs without a single issue -same places -same kinda hunting- and more..--different strokes.
post edited by retired guy - 2011/08/28 16:02:16
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 17:46:45 (permalink)
Mossberg came out with their pump for the guys that couldn't afford the Rem 870 or Win 12. It was never meant to compete with them, and never did. It was always, and still is the price leader in the market.

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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 18:43:44 (permalink)
Someones trying to sell a Mossburg on another thread


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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 21:52:25 (permalink)
Aint me - wouldnt do that to anybody- mines gonna rot in the safe.
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 22:13:03 (permalink)
belive me im a young buck i go into the stuff alot more then you old folks most likley no disrespect but rem are junk in my mind every thng they make i clean my guns after every hunt my 835 never fails boom...boom...boom... every tmr never treeted me wrong or it would of been wrapped around a tree
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/28 23:48:36 (permalink)
I'm also a young buck. I have a 30/30 and an 870. The marlin is ok, looking to upgrade. The 870 is rock solid. I'm in the field in early September. I quit about mid January or whenever the bay locks up with ice. Swamps, hills, dales, and the nastiest cover you've ever seen. I clean my shotgun twice a year, once in august and once in January. It always goes bang.

A buddy of mine offered to give me an 835 for free. I said sure (its a free gun. what am I, stupid?) Long story short, the gun is sitting in his safe right now. It didn't even make it to the field. It just felt cheap and sloppy.

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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/29 07:35:04 (permalink)
I hunt with my 870 wingmaster for everything. I've NEVER had a problem with it, even in the coldest and nastiest weather. I had a buddy change shot-guns 3 times because he couldnt keep up to that gun. I can dam near get 3 rounds out of it as fast as them fellas wit dere semi's.
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/29 12:44:43 (permalink)
I have a 500 12 gauge with a cantilever bbl.  I have put that gun through heck over the 8 years I owned and it has never let me down.  It is not the prettiest gun, nor does it have the tightest action, but it shoots accurately and has always been reliable. 
 
I grew up shooting an 870 and I could say the same thing about it as I said about the 500 above.
 
 
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/29 14:00:54 (permalink)
Yeah,
I won't shoot 3" slugs out of my 500 either. I learned my lesson after a box. They are a lot less accurate than the 2.75" too (unless it was just my wussie arse flinching so bad at the thought of the next round of punishment).

Either way, I still like to kill my deer when its warm, with an arrah, and its up close and personal so hopefully I won't have to ever break it out again...
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/29 14:19:28 (permalink)
You havent LIVED till your out in a brush covered canoe in a Northern Maine bog where ya went via-'carry the canoe in' way and the Ducks come in and your first shot jams the action so bad ya have to use your backup gun the rest of the trip cause it needs pro-help to fix.
BTW- that 'backup' gun is back in camp 15 miles away and ya have to sit and say 'nice shot' all afternoon and evening  to the buys who have good guns.
Still cant believe that gun isnt down deep where the canoe was parked in that bog.
post edited by retired guy - 2011/08/29 22:29:40
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/29 19:11:26 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: thunderpole

belive me im a young buck i go into the stuff alot more then you old folks most likley no disrespect but rem are junk in my mind every thng they make i clean my guns after every hunt my 835 never fails boom...boom...boom... every tmr never treeted me wrong or it would of been wrapped around a tree


Thunderdik...
Trust me when I say I have wore out more pairs of upland boots than oreos you've eaten. I've cycled at least 10,000 rounds through my vintage 1971 Wingmaster, maybe 8000 of them before you were conceived. I have but one complaint about my 1st 870, the blueing wore off where I carry it. There is a good article about this legendary firearm in the current(maybe last month) issue of American Rifleman. BTW, no need to clean an 870 unless you are fixxin' to sell it.

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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/29 22:33:12 (permalink)
Bout the same time I bought mine Tull- same experience too. Cept I bought coupla different barrels for different game over the years. Dont know if ya can hear me or not since were so old.
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 01:37:55 (permalink)
thunderdik haha like that thats funny like i said not trying to be ignort sure you gentelmen have alot more experence and miles in your boots then me as you stated but it realy chaps my azz people talkin smack on ol betsy like i said never treats me wrong and if it goes in the drink better clean er or you mis well scrap it ...every one is intitled to there on openion not trying to rub yall the wrong way
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 09:03:45 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: pghmarty

870 is probably the most reliable shotgun IMO..I own 2 of them.


Are the new ones any good?
Mine is probably 30 years old



The one I have was handed down to me and is probably 40 yrs old (Wingmaster) The other one I bought a few years ago (Supermag). Both of them are rock solid guns.



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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 09:31:27 (permalink)
Beretta 687... you'll wonder why you didn't get one sooner... just sayin'
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 13:35:36 (permalink)
Rem vs Mossberg both have their pro and cons. One thing I hate on a gun is PLASTIC such as the safe on the Mossberg.We could go on and on but the 870 has proven itself a winner for many years both in law enforcement and in the sporting world. Funny how the Mossberg's are always compared to the 870's. You get what you pay for.
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 14:37:10 (permalink)
Just havin some 'old time' fun with ya Thunder--Some day youl be here- think bout it...
Actually remember the day I bought my first 870-wayyyyyy back when in olden days- was standin there with an Ithaca Featherwieght and the 870 in front of me and took a lotta time making up my mind.
Still think I made the right choice  although friends had that Ithaca and  liked it.
On the PD they switched over to Mossberg cause of the  price and dumped  the old 870's. A Range instructor for the state actually laid up the 870's cause the little spring stop in the tube was missing. Guys had removed them cause if there ever was a jam the stop would take too long to play with. There was never a jam.
Bought a few of them and reconditioned them.
post edited by retired guy - 2011/08/30 18:16:13
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 16:20:38 (permalink)
Thinking a gun is wonderful depends on your experience.
The first shotgun I hunted with was a bolt action 12ga, probably a Mossberg.
It was great till I shot an old Winchester pump.
It was great till I bought a Winchester 1300 12ga mag pump
That was great til I bought Winchester 1400 12ga mag semi auto
That was great til I bought a Remington 1100 12ga mag 
That was great til I bought an 1187
That was great til I bought a Ruger Red Label sporting clays
Still love the Ruger even after buying a Perazzi.

Somewhere in that mix I bought a couple 870's, Ithacas, Street Sweepers and a few others .

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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 16:25:33 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: retired guy
Dont know if ya can hear me or not since were so old.


WHA???

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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 16:30:56 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Outdoor Adventures

Rem vs Mossberg both have their pro and cons.

I missed where you stated the cons of the 870...staying tuned...

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The closer we adhere to the Holy Bible and the US Constitution (as it was written) the closer we get to the model that made America great. The great American experiment worked, human nature just got in the way.
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RE: 30/30 recoil kicks axe 2011/08/30 16:36:30 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: retired guy


Actually remember the day I bought my first 870-wayyyyyy back when in olden days- was standin there with an Ithaca Featherwieght and the 870 in front of me and took a lotta time making up my mind.


My mind was made up. JCPenneys had a 28" modified for $115. They put it on sale for $105, me and my Dad made the move. Got a pair 8 serial #'s apart. He had a Mossberg, it quickly went up for sale for $60.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The closer we adhere to the Holy Bible and the US Constitution (as it was written) the closer we get to the model that made America great. The great American experiment worked, human nature just got in the way.
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