ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

I get critised often for having my head in the sand.. but I must say.. heads must be BURIED in it if anyone things changing the law will not mean added Sundays to kill more game... that's just silly to even think...

Isn't it silly to close land, long open to hunters, before a Sunday may be added to a season?  A Sunday may be added to bear.  Sundays may be added to small game.  Maybe deer at some point.  Maybe none added for some time.  Wouldn't a reasonable person wait to it was actually implemented into a season that they are concerned with before actually closing their land? Or is easier to just threaten to do it?

Stop for a minute and think == what if the land does get closed === then what.. it's something that can not be reversed....

Land can be opened as quickly as it was shut down. It can be closed as quickly as it was opened.  Lost a great spot for this year already.  Bummed out about it but life goes on.   My thoughts are if these landowners really want hunters on their land, it will be re-opened when nothing changes and Sunday hunting becomes a non-issue. 
 
This is a pro-hunting bill.  One that sportsmen need to by united behind.  In the future, pro-hunting bills be be decreasing in numbers as surely as we grow older each day.

Isn't it silly to close land, long open to hunters, before a Sunday may be added to a season?

Actually I think it is silly to think farmers and landowners are too stupid not to see through the smokescreen of regulartory control. It is quite obvious that the issue is hunting Sundays and particulary DEER HUNTING Sundays.

It is also quit foolish for folks to try and tell a farmer/landowner what to do with his land or how to post it if they don't want Sunday hunting. The easiest thing to do and the easiest to find signs are NO TRESPASSING signs.

Point out to me the state you have hunted that allows Sunday hunting that has as much private land where hunting is permitted or as lax regulations or enforcement for hunting on private land as Pennsylvania.

I fully understand why folks want the additional day but an additional day to be crowded in on less open land with fewer animals to hunt makes no sense to me.

ORIGINAL: bingsbaits


Get tired of your garbage that anyone that disagrees with a PGC policy or questions the ambiguity of a law is labeled a PGC hater, nit-picker, and a half dozen other insults.

He11 I like the PGC, they provide a great hunting oppotunity for me and my family.
But I'm still allowd to question their policies and laws..

 
No you're not.  If you ask a question, you are a nitpicker, which leads to not being "one of the good guys," which then leads to becoming a goon or a thug with an attitude that can be ascertained before you even speak to ask the question.

ORIGINAL: S-10


Point out to me the state you have hunted that allows Sunday hunting that has as much private land where hunting is permitted or as lax regulations or enforcement for hunting on private land as Pennsylvania.

I fully understand why folks want the additional day but an additional day to be crowded in on less open land with fewer animals to hunt makes no sense to me.

 
Valid points but points that should be part of the discussion of when, where and how.  We would be better off to begin to address the concerns and work towards a solution that is best for all.

And if it is all about the deer as many proponents say,,,

Then I must reiterate my past point, """ONE DAY""".

You mean to tell me all these farmers lives will be changed for """ ONE DAY""" in December, really..

Could there be an increased harvest if Sunday Deer Hunting was permited mabee, mabee not.

If so many of those against it are not going to hunt on Sunday then like Doc has said "less hunters in the woods no deer moving, reduced success"...

Not sure why the safety issue would even be raised for the archery season, haven't seen many folks afraid of a man sitting in a tree with stick and string...

ORIGINAL: S-10

Point out to me the state you have hunted that allows Sunday hunting that has as much private land where hunting is permitted or as lax regulations or enforcement for hunting on private land as Pennsylvania.

Arizona

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ORIGINAL: S-10

Point out to me the state you have hunted that allows Sunday hunting that has as much private land where hunting is permitted or as lax regulations or enforcement for hunting on private land as Pennsylvania.



Arizona

You think, landowners in Arizona can even post state land.

C. The provisions of this Section do not allow any individual to trespass upon private land to gain access to any state land.

D. An individual may post state lands within 1/4 mile of any occupied residence, cabin, lodge, or other building and lands within corrals, feed lots, or holding pens containing concentrations of livestock other than for grazing purposes as closed to hunting, fishing, or trapping without further action by the Commission.

E. An individual may post state lands other than those referred to in subsection (D) as closed to hunting, fishing, or trapping only if the individual has obtained a permit from the Commission, and the Commission determines that the closing is necessary:

1. Because the taking of wildlife constitutes an unusual hazard to permitted users;

2. To prevent unreasonable destruction of plant life or habitat; or

3. For proper resource conservation, use, or protection, including but not limited to high fire danger, excessive interference with mineral development, developed agricultural land, or timber or livestock operations.

F. An individual shall submit an application for posting state land to prohibit hunting, fishing, or trapping under subsection (E), or to close an existing road under subsection (J), as required by R12-4-610. If an application to close state land to hunting, fishing, or trapping is made by an individual other than the state land lessee, the Department shall provide notice to the lessee and the State Land Commissioner before the Commission considers the application. The state land lessee or the State Land Commissioner shall file any objections in writing within 30 days after receipt of notice, after which the matter shall be submitted to the Commission for determination.

ORIGINAL: S-10

You have been on this board 5 years, have posted often, and control was never mentioned UNTIL it became apparent that the current BOC was likely to approve Sunday Hunting if given the chance.

 
Actually I was against the idea of Sunday hunting in this state not too long ago.  With time and exploration of the issue, my views have changed. 
 
Used to be against crossbow inclusion too.

"You have been on this board 5 years, have posted often, and control was never mentioned UNTIL it became apparent that the current BOC was likely to approve Sunday Hunting if given the chance.
Now control is your number one concern. Not likely IMO. Control is only a means to the end which is SUNDAY DEER HUNTING."

Yep. Thats how i see it as well. Although it isnt exactly the most honest route, its probably wise for proponents of sunday hunting to try to distance the conversation from the deer herd discussion, since its such a volatile topic, it in no way helps the sunday hunting argument to say we should accept added reduction. How better to avoid the discussion of added harvest and reduction than to avoid it altogether by putting the micro-focus on WHO does the regulating? Then when control is granted to pgc, it doesnt matter how much the opposition howls about sunday hunting or about deer, they have proven they are quite capable of turning a deaf ear since they dont answer for their actions like elected politicians do.

ORIGINAL: World Famous

I would put Bings in the "thugs and goon" category already. Welcome aboard my friend!!....WF

 
If he is a member of the "thugs and goons" plus a member of the ubersnob fly fishing club, mon-o-mon-o.

I think I started a few but then they turn into the Sunday hunting issue as usual.

I have been quite consistant while addressing both the regulatory transfer and the expansion of Sunday hunting discussions.  As I said to Wayne, more than happy to discuss Sunday hunting and deer if you wish.

ORIGINAL: S-10

You didn't happen to catch the title of this thread that you have been posting on did you?

I did, and I have been consistant while addressing the two issues seperately.  You claim I don't want to discuss the expansion of Sunday deer hunting issue and am using regulatory control as a smokescreen to get Sunday deer hunting.

Since the claim was made, what do you want to know? 

"it's a subject well worth debating, and there are many Pros and Cons surrounding the issue. Everyone who hunts has an interest in the issue and should voice an opinion but it should be debated for what it is (SUNDAY DEER HUNTING)."

It's also a debate that is pointless unless, or until the PGC has the authority to act on it one way or the other at the end of the debate.

It's also a debate that is pointless unless, or until the PGC has the authority to act on it one way or the other at the end of the debate.

That's not true at all, because the only reason for the push for the change in control is the fact the current BOC have indicated they will implement Sunday Hunting once they are given the power to do so. If there is enough pressure against Sunday hunting the control will not be transfered to the BOC and things will stay as they are. If the authority is transfered to the BOC Sunday hunting will be implemented. The only question would be how quickly it would be for all game.

The question of transfer is the question of Sunday Hunting.

Because on this issue the debate is over as far as changing the position of the BOC but is far from over as far as the popiticans are concerned. If I was for Sunday hunting I would also be pushing for regulatory contol change. Since I think it is a mistake I will always speak up when someone trys to say the two issues are not married.

When 80% of landowners are against it and 50% of hunters are also against it someone is not listening.

When the PGC's own recently completed hunter survey showed that the top two issues causing hunters to drop out are lack of game and lack of places to hunt just how in he// is adding more killing days against the wishes of the landowners who control where we hunt going to improve on either issue.