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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/21 10:00:29
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ORIGINAL: salmotrutta
The weekend we picked is prime historically. Hopefully drake will learn us some things.
I'll teach you how to cast a rod while holding a can of beer....  that's a prelude to my campfire antics.... 
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/21 13:36:31
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The weekend we picked is prime historically. Hopefully drake will learn us some things.
I'll teach you how to cast a rod while holding a can of beer....
that's a prelude to my campfire antics....
Right on slammo, I've done very well with cohoes that weekend through the years; also, some monster steelhead start coming in around then sometimes.... kings; their a staple... Hey drake; I heard you use a natty light ice can as a strike indicator on a 10 weight donkey stick when fishing for slammins ...lmao
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/21 18:17:56
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People snag because of internal greed. They get a thrill. Why is it tolerated by a lot of people? Because it is a victimless crime, like most poaching acts. Unless there's a person hurt/taekn advantage of, most of society doesn't care. "It's just a fish... or deer".
OVER THE HILL Some people are like slinky's; not really good for anything, but, they bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs...
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/21 18:37:00
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Not true. Maybe true if behavior is continued. On our first trip, we simply didn't know better. Not an excuse, just a fact. The guy next to us who hooked a few to the zero the three of us had said "do it like this". He proceeded to show us, what I later realized was an overenthusiastic lifting technique.I learned from my mistakes as I believe many others would also. Education is the key. How to bring it to the masses-I don't know. Some will always cheat but I believe most would fish differently if they knew ,or were shown a different way.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/21 18:58:53
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Id say both of you are right (over and pete). There's always 2 sides to a situation
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/21 23:00:56
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Although I have been told not to stir the pot as a new guy, BUT the first time I fished the salmon river way back in the day I knew what I was doing when I lifted on that salmon sitting in front of me. People snag for the reasons that Over the Hill is talking about. right or wrong it will never change, People snag salmon that will not change they just refine their skills. Flossing snagging same thing
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/21 23:15:55
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I would like to see how fast snaggers change their ways or stay home if the DEC started handing out $500 fines,that might get your attention and change your attitude.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 07:01:35
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Although I have been told not to stir the pot as a new guy, don't listen to Dimebrite - he only thinks he's the mod here... thank God we got Slammo - he lets us air our dirty laundry and thankfully, does not believe in ZERO TOLERANCE...
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 07:02:53
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Hey drake; I heard you use a natty light ice can as a strike indicator on a 10 weight donkey stick when fishing for slammins ...lmao
LMAO - make than an 8 weight rod - the can will be empty...
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 07:08:56
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I would like to see how fast snaggers change their ways or stay home if the DEC started handing out $500 fines,that might get your attention and change your attitude.
PA - I agree with you.. butt Chasing away snaggers will have a negative effect on the SR Cash Register Machine - at least that's the way local businesses view the situation - and they do voice their opinions to the agency. IF the DEC was serious about whacking the worst of the Snaggers, they could set up in the worst areas (eg - Trestle, Trout Brook, Orwell) and fill a paddywagon in less than an hour. THEY DON'T WANT TO... and before someone interjects that the poor DEC is underfunded and undermanned, I call BS.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 08:56:00
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IF the DEC was serious about whacking the worst of the Snaggers, they could set up in the worst areas (eg - Trestle, Trout Brook, Orwell) and fill a paddywagon in less than an hour. THEY DON'T WANT TO...
and before someone interjects that the poor DEC is underfunded and undermanned, I call BS.
we where fishing the back channels one year when the water was way up, the place was packed. I saw everything from the famous salmon river twitch to blind cast and ripp. The guy next to me was an undercover DEC(had no idea). He did not do anything about all the blatant snagging until he saw an obvious fowled hook fish go on a rope. Dude did not even have a license away they went. He was back in the same spot doing the same thing less then 2 hours later. IMO big Fines would equal Snag and release and the blatant snagger would learn to floss
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 09:31:12
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Although I have been told not to stir the pot as a new guy,
don't listen to Dimebrite - he only thinks he's the mod here...
thank God we got Slammo - he lets us air our dirty laundry and thankfully, does not believe in ZERO TOLERANCE...
Who you kidding drake; im the mod of the entire fishing community  P.s. slammer was the one who commented on the pot stirring if you read back on the thread; although, its gets a little tough these days to follow these threads; especially after 90 posts on each one with nearly half of the posts on topic. Its all fun though. Salmo is a great mod; some of the other mods are pretty strict about staying on topic sometimes...
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 09:58:26
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I would like to see how fast snaggers change their ways or stay home if the DEC started handing out $500 fines,that might get your attention and change your attitude.
PA - I agree with you..
butt
Chasing away snaggers will have a negative effect on the SR Cash Register Machine - at least that's the way local businesses view the situation - and they do voice their opinions to the agency.
IF the DEC was serious about whacking the worst of the Snaggers, they could set up in the worst areas (eg - Trestle, Trout Brook, Orwell) and fill a paddywagon in less than an hour. THEY DON'T WANT TO...
and before someone interjects that the poor DEC is underfunded and undermanned, I call BS.
Drake,I agree with you on this one.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 10:17:35
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I would like to see how fast snaggers change their ways or stay home if the DEC started handing out $500 fines,that might get your attention and change your attitude.
PA - I agree with you..
butt
Chasing away snaggers will have a negative effect on the SR Cash Register Machine - at least that's the way local businesses view the situation - and they do voice their opinions to the agency.
IF the DEC was serious about whacking the worst of the Snaggers, they could set up in the worst areas (eg - Trestle, Trout Brook, Orwell) and fill a paddywagon in less than an hour. THEY DON'T WANT TO...
and before someone interjects that the poor DEC is underfunded and undermanned, I call BS.
Drake,I agree with you on this one.
but this one only  lmfao
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 10:27:03
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I never said don't stir the pot, just suggested you introduce yerself before calling other peeps out. Carry on as you wish.
The only rules I really have in my mind are:
No messing with someone's real life.
Family off limits.
No physical threats or constant bullying. Do it via pm.
No naming small creeks.
No porn.
Be able to take a little abuse if you dish it out.
Have fun.
I don't really think people with delete keys need to use them unless things are way outta hand. Nothing worse than some a hole with an internet power trip. Here to talk/learn about the Salmon River just like everyone else.
Getting ready to tie flies here. Just walked the dog and his pee steamed off before it hit the ground. HOT!
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 10:44:24
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Who you kidding drake; im the mod of the entire fishing community Salmo is a great mod; some of the other mods are pretty strict about staying on topic sometimes... good thing we dont have any of that here.. no whiners about dead animals or fish either ;) Now I did finally find 1 picture of a landlock but its hardwater .. somewhere I do have at least 3 pictures of SR atlantics but man I cant find them , so far.. so getting off track, you betcha'
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 11:14:31
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Hey Tuna, let's go hunting. 
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 12:04:50
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OOOPS- mentioned some small creeks the other day -sorry bout that wont happen again. Completely understand the reasons why too.
Hey GREAT deer.
Agree bout the flossers- If nobody flossed few fish would ever be caught in the SR. Be the end of the fiscal enjoyment of the entire region- which is why the fishery was created in the first place. Gotta remember that.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 12:49:53
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OOOPS- mentioned some small creeks the other day -sorry bout that wont happen again. Completely understand the reasons why too.
Hey GREAT deer.
Agree bout the flossers- If nobody flossed few fish would ever be caught in the SR. Be the end of the fiscal enjoyment of the entire region- which is why the fishery was created in the first place. Gotta remember that.
RT,you and I have to spend some time on the water,I would like to make you a believer.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 14:08:15
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I am about an 85 % believer but it came with time. Most of the guys who go up there wouldnt or dont have the time so they would either have to catchup or go someplace else. Think that would hurt the place. There are plenty of fish for various methods- Just stop the insane stuff though.Think the insanity is what we all complain about anyhow. By example- If I'm flying a run and somebodys a bit off and flossing I really dont have a complaint as he isnt bothering me. Its that nut who wades out up to his waist to each spawn bed and slashes away trying to snag all the fish in the river and spooks up the whole place that infuriates both myself and that other guy.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 15:00:56
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OOOPS- mentioned some small creeks the other day -sorry bout that wont happen again. Completely understand the reasons why too.
Hey GREAT deer.
Agree bout the flossers- If nobody flossed few fish would ever be caught in the SR. Be the end of the fiscal enjoyment of the entire region- which is why the fishery was created in the first place. Gotta remember that.
Thanks on the pic's.. I also take as many of the bald ones as allowed.. We like eating game here .. I really don't want to get into the big debate and will make this my last comments on the subject. But RT.. the fishery was created for the Lake not the river.. That came later.. second, you guys are really re-enforcing the toilet bow theory.. So lets see, it's ok to snag fish as long as its called something else ? as long as someone doing the "somethin else" and not bothering me that’s ok too ? people don't know any better because they don't feed anyway so other means are accepted ? it's a fun place when the circus is in town ? Oh my favorite.. It is what it is, just deal with it.. hummmm. Sounds world class to me.. Maybe one could write a book about it some day.. I been fishing to these Carp for awhile and have yet to catch one.. I blame it on my own lack of taking the time to figure out how.. Call it lazy but I'm having a blast being lazy at this point.. I can see them plain as day , I can easily snag, floss or lift them and call it fishing but I’m not that friggin lazy !!! Plain & Simple.. I totally disagree about few fish ever being caught. But maybe fewer people would be fishing..
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 15:13:44
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Sorry its been a while since I've chimed in. Going to get my neck cut on the 2nd and it hurts just typing right now. Why do they do it? Short answer is because they can. Its not so much that the DEC doesn't have enough monies ,although they are spread pretty thin, but the courts don't see a benifit from cracking down since the fines go to the state not the local coffers. Drunkula you are right that many fish are lined, many by folks that don't even know they lined them. This doesn't mean they don't bite. You know most lined fish have the hook in the outside of the far side of the mouth,not always but most of the time. Fish that are caught with the hook in the nearside mandable or in the throat have usually either gone out of their way to hit or at least KNOWINGLY ALLOWED the lure to flow into their mouths. We that have fished alot have watched them slide out of the way of 2# test line and tiny black flies enough to know they can avoid whatever we thow their way. For me I almost never fish for salmons anymore. Hard enough to make the magic happen. but with the hordes of ballwaders and bowlers running motor hooked fish around the holes it becomes work not pleasure and I opt out. Hope this made some kinda sense. Oxycodone is a wonderful drug..........if you don't need to remember what you just said or string a coherent thought together.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 15:31:08
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Good post and good points Wader- Recall watching a bunch of guys in LFZ once all fishing a nice piece of deep water near the bank. All looked like 'joe orvis' compared to my cheap stuff across the river. Each fish that was caught on the body was a mistake and each fish caught any where on the head was an absolute act of pure fly fishing excellence. NOT my opinions but theirs--for all around to know about too. When I left one of them was just removing a little fly (bout a 12 or 14) from the gill plate of a Shark and said in absolute wonderment to me- something like' can ya believe that -that big fish and it took that little fly'. If you guys can figure out how ta change that stuff its OK with me too.Till then fish on and enjoy it as best ya can--I do. (cept for the outright pigs)
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 17:26:39
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Dang WaDerboy, didn't know you were in a bad way. I prefer Vicodin myself, but like the retired guy says, to each their own. EDIT****Hope you do ok if we don't see you around before then. I got some surgery coming too, but nothing like yours. I am a little worried about retired guy's salvation here. Perhaps a small prayer is in order?
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 18:41:32
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Ditto on the good luck- on both your surgeries- thanks for the prayers Salmo -Will return.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 19:19:43
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tried to post some coyote hunting pics for HT.. EPIC FAIL !!!! carry on p.s. - good luck on the operations guys...
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/22 21:35:05
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I was gonna post some pics today but when I hooked up my portable hard drive that holds my pics I discovered how much I don't go fishing this year.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/23 06:35:57
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Hey guys; I haven't picked up on the operations thing but if anyone is having one prayers wil be said
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/23 06:49:23
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WaDerboy is getting neck surgery on Aug 2nd?, and my right elbow (non casting arm) is blown out. I am putting mine off as long as possible, but the pain is into my fingers and my hand feels arthritic. Time to get some work done. I was hoping to get it cut a month or so back but the doc wanted to try cortisone first. The wonder drug that has never given me anything but more pain. My real prob. is if I don't get it done in the next couple weeks the 3rd week in Sept. will be a no go unless I wait till the snow files and that ain't gonna happen. Thinking call and schedule for asap. Save your prayers for WB, not that I don't appreciate the thought, but his is much more invasive I would think.
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RE: Why Do They Do It?
2011/07/23 08:13:56
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hey salmo; good luck with everything.. hey wader; i dont know the extent of your condition; but my fathers girlfriend got ion a bad car accident and she needed neck surgery about 6 months later for 2 herniated discs. her procedure went very well. she was in rough shape for a week afterwards but shes as good as new now. it seems these days their not as invasive for neck and back surgeries as they used to be. ive had 2 knee surgeries myself on the same knee back when i was 17 and 18... now 14 years later, i think i can say my knee is the best its been since. for me though, i was a track runner and i jumped the gun both times too early to get back in to the competition. regardless, good luck to both of you
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