ORIGINAL: dimebrite

Never seen too many (trout) floaters myself after it opens up in september....

Well, then you are BLIND...

Try the Poooolaski B R A I L system,

close your eyes, hang over the bridge railing and F E E L the floaters go by with your hands...

    Gotta agree with Drake a bit here-
       Maybe its an elitist thing to do but I always holdem by the tail and facem into the current a bit till they wanna take off by themselves. Have seen a LOT of fish just belly up and drift off when guys simply putem back.
        Dont know if they are tired or if its that air bladder thing from being taken out  of the water- maybee they are just worn out- but the leavem in the water and holdem into the current thing seems to revive most all of them nicely.
   Some fish die and that's an unfortunate thing that comes with the sport we so enjoy. Its a part of it no matter how it happens despite any effort otherwise --stuff happens.
   If it bothers some that much perhaps a little internal perspective on the sport is needed. We are after all the predators here.

ORIGINAL: draketrutta

ORIGINAL: dimebrite

Never seen too many (trout) floaters myself after it opens up in september....

Well, then you are BLIND...

Try the Poooolaski B R A I L system,

close your eyes, hang over the bridge railing and F E E L the floaters go by with your hands...

Drake, in all honesty; I never noticed many floating trout in september months... and I've been around the block more than a few times ;)

Ps, take it easy on RT ;)

I must say RT (if I may) you brought a good topic to the forum..
Learning is what it's all about here folks and kiddin around .. well take that all with a grain of salt.. Really it's reading between the lines that matters..
Quite honestly I disagree and agree on many points made here..
drake your pretty spot on..
lactic acid buildup in the fish that will KILL IT after you released it
even during the fight in warmer water, being it pulled through or just exhaustion from trying to survive..
In my trout fishing experience , fishing plus 70 deg. water the trout will hemorrhage causing all the blood to cool their brain.. It's wild to see a fish start to turn Black.. Believe me at that point nothing can be done but harvest the fish.. So C&R is a bust..
Remember these fish are LARGE which will increase their stress and came from a cold water lake..

Just something for a conservation minded angler to think about no matter where you fish.. It's OK to harvest game !!

As for the Floaters in the Zone. (s)
Again I agree there are a lot of mortally wounded fish released.. My thoughts are from continuous C&R not so much dropping on the rocks, although does cause increased damage.. But if all things being equal it's the fight again and again that kills them imo..
A fish caught only once in a while may have a higher mortality rate from being dropped and bumped.

Fatally released happens high and low.. more so low given the open season during sub zero temps..

Now Kings in 70 deg water..
Yea they come up and Yes many can be found at the bottom of the old bus hole when the temps cant sustain their bodies.. Remember the Hundreds in Aug. there about 7 or so years back ? It stunk.. (sorry the years pass by).. Some die every year from heat stress no matter what.
The few smart ones will hit the heavy oxygenated water to survive.. Fishing fun ? Nah I'll pass and wait for the water to get cold as a mountain stream :)


The "Elitist' thing ?
I have no clue , Im just a fisherman ..

Hope everyone had a great Independence Day !!!

ah as dime said that debate,thread will come up later but for now I pay for the land and access , your right the fish are already bought and a catch is a bonus

quote]ORIGINAL: draketrutta

I'm willing to bet that such a delay will not happen again.

I actually LMAO at the folks that crowd in shoulder to shoulder at the LFZ and commence to sightfish to the same fish that 10 other "EXPURT FLYFISHERS" are targeting. From the fish's vierwpoint it must look like a freakin bowl of spagetti with all them flylines dangling everywhere.

I'm genuinely impressed that some of you admit to fishing the LFZ. It reminds me of an alcoholic attending his first AA meeting.

To the DSR supporters/customers - PT Barnum was right...



too Funny drake, you got me glued to this flat screen.. Now where is "Pucker Bush Creek > O' dark thirty " when you need em'?



Bet It would happen again..
Shoot maybe the DSR will close this time (not) and let them run up instead of going back-n-forth.. It was crazy down there I tell you.. Money changed hands that year..

I confess.. I fished the LFZ.. 4x's
1. it was closed to all fishing ? dummy me had no clue why nobody was fishing there..
2.some 20 years later when it WAS open but UFZ was not.. Wanted to see what all the craze was..
3. Feb (daytona weekend) dont know the year but it was 60 deg. air temp, 80mph winds, and ppl were on surf boards in Oswego harbor breakwall.. Made National news.. I made 1 cast in the tree then went back to Steamers to watch the Daytona 500..
4. minus 4 deg in March.. Fished with a friend and dragged a friend along who proceeded to empty my gas tank in my truck running the heat.. Caught 4 fish however before moving downstream to skunk out..

my only LFZ picture..
Past fishusa moderator mohawkriverdan feb -4 deg.. caught on the big ugly streamer

So you killed a fish by hero shooting it in -4? Shame!

Man, you got em fired up there DT. Nice try there PG, I took my zoloft today.

ORIGINAL: salmotrutta

So you killed a fish by hero shooting it in -4? Shame!

Man, you got em fired up there DT. Nice try there PG, I took my zoloft today.

LMAO !! I'll give ya credit on that Burn !!
It's not me holding the thing only taking the picture
Notice however, that the picture was taken as the fish was first brought to shore and lifted for a quick picture (about 10 seconds) then put back even before the fly was removed when it was released.
100 percent confident it survived.
Not dropped or fingers in the gills LOL !!

ORIGINAL: hot tuna

went back to Steamers to watch the Daytona 500..

Steamers? I thought I knew every waterhole in the area.
When and where was this joint at?

LFZ - I never fished it. I did take a leak off the boat ramp one night though, I just left the Altmar Hotel enroute to Kasoeg Bar via the back route.


the water was cold,
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and deep.

ORIGINAL: metalslayer

ORIGINAL: pghmarty

They should not even be allowed to profit from fish that sportsman already pay for.
Charging a fee to go on the land is OK but they can shove their rules.
State should ban fishing in their domain.
It is all about profit and making fishing for the elite.

How do u feel about guides (river and charters)? Seriously? He IS a rich man---might b making pennies off this venture.Had some conversations w/ the OLD guard and they were worried about breaking even.

Can't resist jumping in on this one..

Metal - the topic is Barclay - not the Guides.
Please refrain from using lame liberal debating methods to switch the topic - like the current day lemmings that continue to support Obobo the Socialist Clown.

It ain't George Bush or the Guides fault that Barclay is a POS.

enuff politics...
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Break Even?

hahahahahahahha

you believe the min-wage River-Keepers?

hahahahahahahaha

all they know is how much rubber-banded cash they hand over to Dougie at day's end.

take into consideration the peanut wages paid by DSR,
take into consideration the property tax break he gets by having his Ponderosa spread classified as Agricultural use,
take into considration the massive utility bills required to run the DSR - a few light bulbs, phone line and connection to Al Gore's intrawebs. Must really set them back.
take into consideration the other income generated - leased farm fields, lodging operations,
take into consideration that the DSR operation is based on a resource paid for by others - to which they contribute NOTHING...
I can guarantee you the biggest expense DSR incurs is insurance, and I am willing to bet it does not put a big dent in the income reported by DSR (that is - if Barclay actually reports all that CASH to the IRS).

If the DSR did not operate a fish SCAM business, Barclay would still have to carry insurance. The incremental amount based on DSR annual patronage is not material.


jeez Metal, I hope your math skills are better when you perform daily inventory of your snack truck...

ORIGINAL: dimebrite

ORIGINAL: metalslayer

ORIGINAL: pghmarty

They should not even be allowed to profit from fish that sportsman already pay for.
Charging a fee to go on the land is OK but they can shove their rules.
State should ban fishing in their domain.
It is all about profit and making fishing for the elite.

How do u feel about guides (river and charters)? Seriously? He IS a rich man---might b making pennies off this venture.Had some conversations w/ the OLD guard and they were worried about breaking even.

im gonna have to jump in too... I agree with metal... been going there a long time. Its not that much money if you do the math... im gonna leave it at that...

Ps. Wow metal; we actually agree on something... lmao

How much is not much?

I'll toss a pro-forma at ya - based on 3 months of DSR business last part of Aug,Sept,Oct,first hlaf Nov) and I guarantee you that it will be nothing to sneeze at...

I beg forgiveness for the following comment i am about to post - it is borderline Political Rant - and I think the chit don't belong here, but it is the only way I can convey my thoughts about Barclay and his supporters:

Those that support Barclay & DSR remind me of the blind, fool, liberals that would happily give away our freedoms in this soon-to-be once great Country.

You want to live like Europeans? Go to Europe - where you won't even be ALLOWED TO FISH without making a big dent in your wallet.

I realize some of you are from NY (the biggest friggin Nanny State known to Man and have had your nads snipped to the size of peas. If you are so blinded that you fail to see the SCAM Barclay runs, it is truly sad.

The way I see it - you are supporting a Thief..

nuttin personal...

You guys need to hit redtube for a few minutes.

Yadayadayada.....it is what it is,you don't like it don't fish there,I RARELY fish there as there is alot of other spots to fish.However,early season it can be great fishing and the ONLY game in town until the fish move up.So if that is the case I'll pay the money and fight the Salmon!

ORIGINAL: dimebrite

Hey drake; check up on the erie board here at fish usa... there are complaints all of the time regarding private land and access on state stocked streams for steel... just saying...

you need to read those posts a bit closer...

the land surrounding the streams are posted due to PIG BEHAVIOR by PIGS.
Nothing stopping the PIGS from fishing as long as they keep their PIGFEET wet.
Much like the scenarios in play around the town of Poolaski.

a somewhat similiar situation in Pa involved Donny "I Wanna be a Barclay" Beaver and the Little Juniata river. Darn shame Donny & his Rich Man's club lost out to the unwashed masses when he got beech-slapped back to reality via PA Superior Court ruling.

ORIGINAL: draketrutta

ORIGINAL: metalslayer

ORIGINAL: pghmarty

They should not even be allowed to profit from fish that sportsman already pay for.
Charging a fee to go on the land is OK but they can shove their rules.
State should ban fishing in their domain.
It is all about profit and making fishing for the elite.

How do u feel about guides (river and charters)? Seriously? He IS a rich man---might b making pennies off this venture.Had some conversations w/ the OLD guard and they were worried about breaking even.

Can't resist jumping in on this one..

Metal - the topic is Barclay - not the Guides.
Please refrain from using lame liberal debating methods to switch the topic - like the current day lemmings that continue to support Obobo the Socialist Clown.


take into consideration the property tax break he gets by having his Ponderosa spread classified as Agricultural use,

take into consideration the other income generated - leased farm fields, lodging operations,

Talk about SPIN how does ag tax breaks and farm leases relate to the MASSIVE $'s made off the fishing enterprise?---don't carry much inventory--empty the truck everyday