S-10...

Pretty to look at though. Yes, that was me. Lots of different head designs to tempt the buyer but the best will always be the simplest design that gets pass through. That style was really hyped in the beginning but only lasted a couple years. It too had problems with coming apart along with plugging up. Thanks for the update.

Hope those rage work, I went to them after having a Rockey Mountain Snyper not open up last season on a decent buck. By the time I found it the bear and coyotes already had and left me with a smelly head and some hide. At least they ate well. I had been having good luck with the Snypers until then.

1. They fly like a field tip without adjusting and often non-expandables do not.
2. Their smaller in diameter when in flight so there is a bit less chance of hitting something and deflecting
3. Not so much cutting surface exposed so a bit less chance of cutting yourself although that's a minor consideration.
4. Most of them have a wider cutting surface so you get a larger wound channel.

The trade off is they sometimes do not open up and they are not as strong as a regular broadhead.

Some swear by them, some swear at them. I am undecided at the moment. I've had 3 successes and one failure that cost me a successful season.

Dont know if your talking crossbow or compound- Always use Thunderheads on the compound-I know - I use old fashioned stuff, but they always pass through and ALWAYS hit just like the practice tips do which isnt always the case with some heads. Also they have replaceable blades and you can use the same heads for years no matter how many deer or targets you pass them through. Just file the chisel tip a bit and replace the blades.
   As far as that deflecting stuff goes -most heads arent much ( if at all) wider than your feathers.

My first two dozen bucks were taken with the old Bear Razorheads, after a short experiment with Muzzys I went to Thunderheads and killed a dozen and half or so with them. I sometimes had trouble with flight on them so decided to go with the expandables. I really like them but losing that one from not opening has me a bit concerned. If I have another one not open I will probably go back to the Thunderheads. Clay is right on the visual selling a lot of heads. Nearly all of the heads on the market today are not new technology but (improved??) versions of heads from the 50's and 60's including the expandables. The problems Ironhead had with his heads are the same problems they had with the earlier versions. Some designs just don't work no matter how good they look.

How about a spiraled blade, with a mechanism to create rotation of the blade, or arrow in flight? It might suk, as there would no doubt be loss of velocity. But hunters, and anglers are attracted to shiny objects. So I'd bet they'd sell like hot cakes.

Designers, here's your chance at fame, and fortune. Just don't forget me when you strike it rich.

This thread reminds me of a show I saw not too long ago. It was like mythbusters but something like weapon tech, or ancient vs. modern, I dunno. Anyway, they were testing whether or not Aztec atlatl javelines could penetrate the spanish conquistador's plate armor. Long story short, the guy creates a modern one with a 44 mag bullet in the tip, so the impact of the javelin against the armor pushed the bullet back against a firing pin. It was a bullet-tipped javelin.

I'm sure you guys see where I'm going with this...BULLET TIPPED ARROWS my friends!

Thats awesome.
Its fun to laugh at the ideas that didn't work, but I sure wish I could come up with the next one that does.

If only someone would invent a taser contained in a 12ga shell. oh wait...


Sorry for the thread hijack

Its fun to laugh at the ideas that didn't work, but I sure wish I could come up with the next one that does.

The bullet arrows were a bit dangerous because often the arrow came back at the shooter with more velocity than the head went forward. Normally the gun powder didn't get any spark and nothing happened. There was actually an attempt to legalize the poison arrows but it didn't get very far. They did work but if you cut yourself while handling them and got the powder in the cut they also worked.

S-10,

Like I said, they might suk. But I bet they'd sell. Marketing has greatly advanced since the 60's, and the more tecnology ( even, or especially if it's useless ) you incorporate into a product. The more attractive it is to the average American consumer.

Bighead-- That type head first came out in the late fourties and was called the Ishi. They were designed to cut a circular piece of flesh through the animal and consisted of a head with cutting edge and wrap around bleeder blades. They tried again in the mid fifties with a head called the Blood Trail. In that case the head was a machined steel tapered tube not unlike the tubes they drive in the trees to get sap for sugar with a hole in the back for the cutout flesh to pass through. No typical cutting blades but more like your head without the blades. That in turn led to the new and improved Blood Trail which incorperated a diamond shaped hole along with a cutting edge. As I said before, the more things change the more they stay the same. All these heads were impressive when shot into certain materials but failed on actual flesh and bone and didn't last long on the market. As Spoon said, they sucked but sold for awhile.

Now that you mention it I remember the ballon thing as opposed to the rubber band I mentioned. I could never  figure out how this was supposed to care for the crippled thing when the Hail Marys always killed the deer but with no blood trail nobody could find it.
I think just the idea of using poison is what killed the whole thing.

I go back 10 but not that far ( I hope). I do recall when it was a VERY big deal to have a sight pin that was light gathering and stood out against the background. It had the tube that was an inch or 2 long leading to the dot on the pin--hate to say thats what I still use. Gotta be real careful walking around not to break it off on brush. I always carry extras and have them pre set to horizontal and the frame marked for verticel when I have to replace one. Have tried them on the range and they replace with real good accuracy preserved.

   Hey OUTDOOR I use an old Hoyt compound with 31"  Easton Alum. arrows and 125 Thunderheads along with straight fletching and those old glow pins. About the only upgrade I have made since my hair was dark is a trigger release . I love that release.
    Shoots straight-passes through- weighs a lot, and has taken mucho deer, lots of Turkey and a bear also assorted small stuff- love it.
     Besides its not about how much stuff you kill - its about a good time,