Charlie_1
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Going up on Monday
Well my trips is almost here I can really feel the itch.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/16 08:43:30
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Running 1100 @ Pineville right now. Should come down a tad by then. Hopefully tomorrow it will be a little lower for me. If not I may wait a day. I don't like too much water. Don't know it that well. And the holes are diff..
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/16 09:42:27
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Thanks for the info
I am just looking to get away look froward for this week all yr
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/16 09:43:35
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with the water so high and fast what should I use any special color? I am going to try a float this yr something new
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/16 10:11:16
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Try chartruese, orange,or pink estaz or glo bugs.I also had great success on a conehead olive woolly bugger size 8.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/16 12:32:56
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/16 16:37:13
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Had a trip yesterday, salmon are mostly up top but the steelhead are throughout the river. Did the best with big white sacks early and switched to grey/blue/purple later in the day. Try to get away from the lead chuckers and walk a bit from any parking area and you will find fish eager to eat, we did very well. Goodluck
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/16 23:11:32
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If you are not tossing egg sacks, try egg patterns or egg sucking leach patterns in various colors - red,orange,chartreuse heads, black,olive, or purple bodies.. they are very easy to tie and fit in well with the standard wooley bugger arsenal.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 12:46:41
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Thanks for the info guys I made wooley buggers in orange black olive purple I also made marabou flies and sucking leach patterns in the same colors We will be fishing behind Salmon Acres looking for some steelhead Gjoing to fish with a strike indicator for fist time hope I set it up the right way
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 13:10:53
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My buddy ran salmon acres for a couple years fished the area alot, thats a nice deep run below clarkes falls, blue eggsacks always crushed the browns back there, also fishing with a float is very effective, with flies I tend to walk down from the falls and fish the two tailouts, one on papermill side and the other on salmon acres side, also walking down stream there is a big rock and a boil in the middle of the river fish behind that, very nice holding area, lots of leaves in the water on friday.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 13:49:43
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just came back on sat dark blue estez and pink san juan worms with a orange or blue size 4 bead could not keep the browns and steels off my line. picked up a nice brown over 15lbs put him back for youall to catch some time steels are bigggg hard to hold on 8lb test when you dont run after them. dcnr issued a lot of tickets on thursday. my brother was told that he was using his spinning rod illgealy he was not casting out (the pocket we were fishing in was next to the bank and you had to drift it for a couple of feet) the warden told him to go and get his fly rod and use that no ticket
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 14:44:43
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3 fan I know the area you are talking about picked up some nice steelhead down by the big rock it gets nice and dark down there.
How much wieght should I use I am looking to put on about 3 #7 split shot
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 15:37:15
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That should be fine, the water I think is gonna stay were its at for most of the week, wish it would clear up some more still stained. If you are targeting chrome and browns I think you will have a great trip and hope you do.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 15:38:21
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Thanks Fan I will give you guys a report when i get back next Saturday
FISH ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 19:28:39
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yeah man, many trout spread out... water is waning now too...should be good for you
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 20:33:05
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ORIGINAL: ssgt12
my brother was told that he was using his spinning rod illgealy he was not casting out (the pocket we were fishing in was next to the bank and you had to drift it for a couple of feet) the warden told him to go and get his fly rod and use that no ticket
just curious about this comment - what exactly was your brother doing wrong, and why would the use of a fly rod cure that??
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/17 22:03:50
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blue goo egg sacs gotta lov em 
I have become comfortably numb
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/18 02:22:17
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ORIGINAL: draketrutta
ORIGINAL: ssgt12
my brother was told that he was using his spinning rod illgealy he was not casting out (the pocket we were fishing in was next to the bank and you had to drift it for a couple of feet) the warden told him to go and get his fly rod and use that no ticket
just curious about this comment - what exactly was your brother doing wrong, and why would the use of a fly rod cure that??
I saw that too but didn't want to start anything so I let it slide. It does sound like a pretty stupid thing for a gamie to say.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/18 10:09:53
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ORIGINAL: waDerboy
ORIGINAL: draketrutta
ORIGINAL: ssgt12
my brother was told that he was using his spinning rod illgealy he was not casting out (the pocket we were fishing in was next to the bank and you had to drift it for a couple of feet) the warden told him to go and get his fly rod and use that no ticket
just curious about this comment - what exactly was your brother doing wrong, and why would the use of a fly rod cure that??
I saw that too but didn't want to start anything so I let it slide.
It does sound like a pretty stupid thing for a gamie to say.
I'm just as curious as you guys on this...he was using spinning gear incorrectly???
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/18 21:17:05
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that is correct. the warden said that he had to cast out and reel in if he used it with out reeling in the line could not be longer then his rod. i was right next to him when the guy was explaining it. we were drifting estez flies in a small pocket next to the shore. so like i said he got his fly rod out and used it from then on. you tell me he also said that he saved him $175.00 by leting him go and get his fly rod
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/18 23:03:22
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What kind of idiotic purist nonsense is that. With all the FISHING that goes on with all kinds of rods all over the freakin place for all to see anywhere on the River that we all squawk about all the time for someone to actually bother a guy in that manner and then try to say they saved him money and did him a favor is pure Bovine Field Splatter. As a past cop for over 28 years I have seen those guys who have the intense internal need to be in charge and are all knowing and must prove it to themselves and everyone around them on a regular basis -they dont belong and are very insecure. Now slashing isnt the big problem its keeping your rod still in the water too. BFS. Is it OK to shake your booty while fishing or to keep one foot in front of the other or to smile once in a while. Maybe if you bow down a little and look his way as though you really admire him he will leave you alone as his ego is satisfied. Even if there is some kind of factual basis for his action its BFS with all the obvious stuff happening so regularly.Anyone can see a guy FISHING instead of lifting in a very short time. Whatever happened to common sence.
post edited by retired guy - 2010/10/18 23:08:57
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/18 23:12:31
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ORIGINAL: ssgt12
that is correct. the warden said that he had to cast out and reel in if he used it with out reeling in the line could not be longer then his rod. i was right next to him when the guy was explaining it. we were drifting estez flies in a small pocket next to the shore. so like i said he got his fly rod out and used it from then on. you tell me he also said that he saved him $175.00 by leting him go and get his fly rod
It's good to hear they are present and enforcing the law....but what kind of chicken **** nonsence is that?
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/18 23:23:54
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If this is true it must be that every drift boat going slowly down the river line out with in the current ahead of them is also illegal----I think NOT How does one drift bobers and egg sacs or worms along the seams and shore while Steel fishing, or even as I commonly do with my noodle in late season without the bober. I stand there and drift down stream. In very slow spots I stop the drift and hold it in the pools for a while. No Slashing ---just fishing like bait in any creek or stream anywhere. Considering the length of the noodle I sometimes am fishing a log jam or bend pool that isnt very far away at all. If thats illegal I may have to revisit my Property ownership in Ny State, as a holder of an elected public office I cannot afford an arrest -even for BVS.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/19 00:09:46
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ORIGINAL: ssgt12
that is correct. the warden said that he had to cast out and reel in if he used it with out reeling in the line could not be longer then his rod.
ssgt - unless your brother was dipping and lifting like a yoyo - (and I don't think that's the case since you didn't mention that) - the only possible connection to a current DEC reg that I can think of is the 15' maximum leader length...- but that applies to fly outfits. I don't know anyone that uses a 15' leader, and I never undertood why someone would want to, but I digress: I have no idea what the fishcop meant that the line could be no longer than the rod...unless he somehow contsrued your brother's spinning mono line as a leader, and, for example, if he observed your brother chucking out 20' of line and retrieving with just his rod & hand, then somehow applied twisted logic to come up with a 15' leader violation.. I'm trying to picture a scenario, and that is the best I can come up with. Still makes me wonder how your brother could keep all that mono in place without creating a nasty bird's nest.... Sounds quite bizzaro to me..., and I still don't get it... Another SR mystery !!!!!!!!
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/19 02:49:26
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But if he changed to a fly rod it still wouldn't change his action (dipping and lifting) if that was the issue.
It would,if loaded with heavy mono, make him look like 99% of the other salmon "fishermen" at least.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/19 10:20:06
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Considering the most guys use a fly leader about the same length as their rod what possible difference could it have made what rod he used to fish close to himself in that pocket. Actually if he was trying to lift it may have been to his advantage using the fly rod. I would believe the fishing was being done in good sport or the situation wouldnt have even been brought up on this forum. These guys would properly slaughter someone they thought was complaining about getting in trouble for lifting.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/19 13:54:37
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Sounds like a dec officer I ran into a few years back and I had a question about one of the regs and he couldn't give a straight answer. So I'm not sure how they can enforce the regs when they don't understand them either.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/19 13:57:25
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Sounds like a dec officer I ran into a few years back and I had a question about one of the regs and he couldn't give a straight answer. So I'm not sure how they can enforce the regs when they don't understand them either.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/19 15:03:24
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The year that the law was changed to no more than 4 feet between weight and hook I had a couple COs tell me I was wrong about it,until I went to my truck and got the book to show them. That is right Drakeo I was informing on the dbags at the church pool in the lower fly zone. I hope we can still be bffs.
I was not saying the dude in question was lifting but rather commenting on what Drake had posted and that changing rods wouldn't make lifting alright.
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RE: Going up on Monday
2010/10/19 16:36:45
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Wader ole buddy ole pal,,, :)
I never fished the LFZ and can promise you I never will...
If I want elbow to elbow fun, I'll sit on a stool in a crowded barroom.
When they passed the weight reg, I wrapped a piece of yellow tape around each of my rods exactly 48" in from the butt end.
It impressed the heck out of a couple of the boys in green jackets....
But I'm not sure if any of the weights slid up my leader a bit, I failed to check them after every cast -- God forbid if one wound up 50" away from the hook...
The only reason I mentioned fly rods was that I was trying to imagine what reg the fishcop was alluding to (the 15' max leader is the only one that comes to mind).
And your right, blatent lifting is blatent lefting, but it's funny that ssgt's brother didn't get whacked for it, so it's gotta be something else.
I guess we will never know what transpired in the fishcop's head...
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