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2010/09/20 08:49:17 (permalink)

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What do you guys use for steelhead tippet/leader?

I just started using a fly rod for steelhead this year and bought Rio's powerflex leader and tippet for steelhead fishing. Maybe it is just my inexperience with a fly rod but the 6.4 pound I bought seems to break easier than any 4 pound leader I have used on my spinning rod. After I broke off about the first 10 or so fish I hooked, I switched to the 6 pound seaguar flourocarbon I normally use for spinning leader and was able to keep a few fish on.

It seems the powerflex gets good reviews on fishusa so maybe 6 pound just isnt enough for fresh fish with minimal room to fight them. Should I be using 8 pound flourocarbon instead? Any thoughts would be appreciated
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    SonofZ3
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 10:19:41 (permalink)
    I use 2x (12.5 lb) and 3x (9.2 lb, these are orvis tippet strengths in mirage flouro.) leaders when fishing for steelhead. Any of the major tippet/leader manufacturers make a good product, in my opinion. I buy Rio or Orvis pre-tied leaders, depending on what the fly shop I'm at carries. Regular mono leader with flouro tippet. Flouro leaders cost to darn much.

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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 13:44:47 (permalink)
    I usually syary out with a 3x leader, cut the last 1-2 feet off of it, add a very small swivel, and then tie on 6-8 pound mono or fluro to the end. I never tie my tippett or flies directly to my leader. i always use a swivel. Some folks don't like the idea of the swivel but it seems to work better to me. Also I usually break the tippett, not the leader.

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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 13:51:19 (permalink)
    its down and dirty...

    swinging- straight 10#, 12#, or 15# maxima (depending on where i'm fishing)
    nymphing- 20# ---15#---- 10#----(all maxima) ---- 3x powerflex



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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 14:37:58 (permalink)

    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
     
     
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 18:29:56 (permalink)
    I guess I was refering more to the tippet rather than the leader, I use a 3x or 4x rio leader with a barrel swivel at the end then I was using rio powerflex 6.4 lb for the tippet but it was breaking ridiculously easy (below the swivel). Maybe it was just my own inexperience being the first few outtings with a fly rod for steelhead though. Perhaps I am setting my drag too heavy? To me it seemed fairly easy to pull line off the spool though. I seemed to do better after I switched to 6 lb seaguar flourocarbon though.
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 18:53:54 (permalink)
    Behrend: if the 6lb seaguar is what works for you then stick with that. Why change what works well? What I will suggest is heavier tippet for when you start to swing streamers (its a blast). 2x is about as light as theres any reason to go when it comes to catching steelhead on a swung fly.

    If you don't mind me asking, what knot do you use from swivel to tippet and tippet to fly? Does it break at the fly or the swivel? Is there a reason you like a swivel as opposed to straight tippet to leader connection?

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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 19:52:26 (permalink)
    i have never had the need to use anyhting less than s 7# line 99% of the time it is {4x} seaguar grandmax fx its worth the$$.. this crap of using 2 or 4 # tipit is stupid. imo

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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 19:54:31 (permalink)
    Used to be seaguar's biggest fan,till I got ahold of 8lb. Gamma.Strong enough to beach anything i have hooked into,and performs well in the cold.
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 20:34:49 (permalink)
    Grand Max 3X for me also,but if it's super low and clear 4X. 3X held up well in New York on kings as well even if they were fouled.
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/20 21:34:40 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: BehrendFisher

    ...I was using rio powerflex 6.4 lb for the tippet but it was breaking ridiculously easy (below the swivel)...


    at the swivel knot?
    at the fly knot?



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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/21 00:31:55 (permalink)
    I use an improved clinch knot at the swivel and the hook. I would sooner blame fresh fish and inexperience with a fly rod over my knot tying, however I still believe the seaguars to be far stronger than powerflex. I may have to give the gamma a try though. Do alot of people use 8# for steelhead? I always just used 4# for low/clear water and 6# for everything else.
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/21 08:02:36 (permalink)
    You might just have a bad spool of tippet.  It happens.  What you are using should not be an issue with repect to strength unless you are really, really leaning on them.
     
    I typically fish 5X G-Max without any issues.

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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/21 09:23:22 (permalink)
    I use 6lb gamma until spring when the creeks get low then switch to 4lb
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/21 11:28:34 (permalink)
    Behrend: 3x, which is between 8-10lb Is as small as I normally ever have to go. We're also talking flouro. here, so using a tippet size or even two larger than you would with regular mono isn't that big of a deal. We're all throwing around tippet sizes and line weights here, but we need to remember the tippet diameter too. Stren original 8lb test line, something that I'm sure sees plenty of use up in Erie, is .011. Orvis superstrong 0x, which is 15.5 lb test is also .011, so theres more than just breaking strength to look at. If you want something the diameter of brand _____ in 6, or 8lb test then find the diameter and look around a little. You might be able to find something stronger thats significantly smaller.

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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/21 17:55:35 (permalink)
    I may have to look into the grand max 3x then, that sounds about what I am looking for. Thanks for the replies guys, who says you can't find good info on this forum :-p
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/09/22 18:24:39 (permalink)
    Picked up the 3x grand max today, hopefully I will see how it holds up to fighting fish tomorrow.
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/10/03 11:00:25 (permalink)
    Last year i tried the metal eyelets with barbs that you stick into the end of the fly line and tied 9ft. of 6lb. flurocarbon. Caught several fish this way. A good back up on the stream if your busting alot of tippet off.
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/10/06 00:29:47 (permalink)
    For the money and the strength, nothing beats Maxima Ultragreen, use 8lb, all you will ever need, go down to 6lb if they're line shy, 4lb for clear water steel.
     
    Need flouro, Drennen is a strong as they come, 8lb will land most fish.
     
    If they're hooked in the mouth you can fight them well.
     
    A number 14 swivel works and is quick, I prefer the fishermans knot.
     
    Tight Lines,
     
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    RE: Steelhead Leader 2010/10/06 07:13:43 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: BehrendFisher

    I use an improved clinch knot at the swivel and the hook.
     

     
    Try using either a trilene knot or palomar knot at the swivel.
    Then a clinch knot or mono loop at the fly.
    For some reason, my clinch knot holds up better than an improved clinch knot when using fluorocarbon tippet.
    With a 100% knot at the swivel, your breaks will be at the fly.
    Use less rod angle and play the fish off the butt of the rod.
     
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