Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH

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Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH

Boat either ran out of gas. DUH
Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH
Was waiting by PNC Park for a couple of girls to get done filming Abducted and it quit.
Ran good Sunday and earlier today.
Gave a guy $20 to tow me back to dock
Did not fill tank yesterday because I was running late and filled it Sunday
I have never had a boat with a fuel gauge that was accurate.
This one goes from half to empty rapidly and there is still plenty of gas.

Engine would start on ether but not stay running
When pumping gas there was no squirt in carb
Drained then replaced water seperater(installed my spare in spring and new one is home)

I figured if mechanical fuel pump is bad there would still be  some gas coming out of the line removed at carb?????????????

Trying the easiest thing first-filling with gas



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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 13:32:21 (permalink)
    What did the girls look like?

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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 13:37:51 (permalink)

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    What did the girls look like?




    Check your oil level. Often times when the mechanical fuel pumps would fail it would be a diaphram and the fuel would dump some into the crank case. On the bright side, it shouldn't be that hard of a fix if it is the fuel pump, unless the lower side of the engine is real hard to get to. Also check for an inline filter by the carb, they can become plugged and prevent fuel flow. You can always undo your fuel line and turn the motor over a couple of revs to see if there's fuel getting that far, just be careful where the line is pointed they can shoot a long way. You should also remove and ground your coil wire before trying that last one.

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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 13:58:07 (permalink)
    vapor lock ? did it stall or would it not restart? no restart could be vapor lock..
    post edited by Outdoor Adventures - 2010/09/02 14:00:23
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 14:24:20 (permalink)
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    What did the girls look like?







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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 14:28:42 (permalink)
    And you "ran out of gas"...
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 14:38:09 (permalink)
    I can't believe you went and disappointed them like that. Get you shlt together, Marty...




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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 14:40:21 (permalink)
    Also check for an inline filter by the carb, they can become plugged and prevent fuel flow. You can always undo your fuel line and turn the motor over a couple of revs to see if there's fuel getting that far, just be careful where the line is pointed they can shoot a long way


    Removed fuel filter at carb and it looks like new-carb was new 2 months ago
    Cranked a few times with line off at carb and nothing came out,

    Put $60 in Sunday but did not fill it-need friends that spend more
    Dragging tube or a skier burns fuel but I did not think I used that much
    Yesterday we only went from launch to PNC park by Navy Ship then the motor stalled while sitting there.

    I am looking for brochure for my 1992 G20 BR Glastron to see what size fuel tank I have.
    Tried to find info online with no luck.
    Just curious

    I know my Checkmate could go through 25-35 gal in an hour running it hard and would fill it up 2-3 times a day with 93oct and a can of 104+
    Never really paid attention to fuel consumption on this one

    I did check oil when I was out there-level was good.
    Wanted to change it this week but can't find my removal pump.
    I also have electric pumps but the hand pump that screws onto the dipstick hole works best.
    Might try to fit a connection there and try electric again.
    Last time I used electric was a cold day and it would not suck the oil up the skinny hose.
    post edited by pghmarty - 2010/09/02 14:49:33


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 14:43:32 (permalink)
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    And you "ran out of gas"...


    They never even got on boat yesterday
    Left me with the bimbo I started with-yuck she is my age


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 20:17:17 (permalink)
    If you need a little help call Lenny at Millvale Marina, Excellent mechanic!
    What marina are you from? I dock at Millvale and spend alot of time down the river.
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 22:05:41 (permalink)
    What marina are you from?

    My driveway
    I trailer the boat to launch-it is only a little over 20'

    I think the guy that helped me yesterday also mentioned Lenny at Millvale.

    I do most of the work that has been needed on my boats so far except for removing drive.
    If I do need a fuel pump I might as well replace or at least check the plugs while I have the stern seats out.
    I already looked at pumps online and see that they sell for $100-$250 so I am sure if someone has it in PGH it will be a lot more.

    I hope I burned a lot more fuel than I thought and just ran out.

    The only time I ran out of fuel my entire life was when I was driving a parts truck for a Chevy dealer.
    I said it was low-they said I have plenty.



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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/02 22:39:14 (permalink)
    I've had a horror story with my 90HP Johnson - today I took it to the lake for the 3rd time (they've had it over 2 months) - still same problem - took it back - now he thinks it's the fuel pump, so I have to wait for him to order it, etc. The beat goes on! Good luck with yours.
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 01:00:18 (permalink)
    Marty, so is the tank empty or not? As far as changing oil, I put a ball valve on the drain on the oil pan so that when a oil change is due all you do is slide a hose through the transom drain port and connect to valve. Then open. This is the best way to remove ALL the dirty oil. This was on a Sea Ray 20' Cuddy I once owned. Jus saying...
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 01:44:17 (permalink)
    I did not fill the tank last night or get a chance to look at it today.
    I don't know how big the tank is either.
    Today I plan on filling the tank then seeing if it starts.

    To get to the underside of my engine I need to remove the upper dog house then both seats and lower section come out as one large piece. Then remove the panel behind one of the seats.
    They make a remote oil drain that works like a manual choke but I would still have the problem of hooking up the hose.

    Other choice might be to just remove the drain plug and catch what I can or just let it run outside into a pan then pressure wash the bilge at a carwash.
    I have a couple of pressure washers but don't want the oil running out onto the ground.
    Car washes have oil/grease traps.
    post edited by pghmarty - 2010/09/03 01:45:14


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 08:17:34 (permalink)
    Our old skiff craft had a difficult oil drain plug.  We used a large, heavy duty plastic bag (way thicker than even the black hefty bags) that my dad got from work at Xerox (used to cover copiers during shipment).  We spread it out in the bilge under the enging and made sure the edges were up and let the oil flow.  Worked like a charm.  You just had to be careful not snagging the bag on anything when removing it. 
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 09:04:55 (permalink)
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    And you "ran out of gas"...


    They never even got on boat yesterday
    Left me with the bimbo I started with-yuck she is my age


     
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 09:30:11 (permalink)
    Ran out of gas once.....It takes awhile for those mechanicals to prime...Try hooking it back up, take a squirt bottle full of gas, spray in carb to keep running and see if you can get her to prime and stay running...That's how I had to do it with mine...Also, like Bdog said, check inline filter...Otherwise, you will be cranking it over awhile for it to prime and could damage starter.....



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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 10:25:00 (permalink)
    Filter at carb was clean.
    I removed and dumped out water separator fuel filter.
    Did not have another on boat to switch.
    I changed that filter in spring and new filter was at home.

    Would that filter stop fuel flow????????



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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 11:12:00 (permalink)
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    Would that filter stop fuel flow????????



     
    Takes awhile for Mechanicals to prime all the way through the Seperator....Like I said, take a squirt bottle of gas and keep her running and see if she will prime....Fill your tank first of course....



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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 11:16:49 (permalink)
    Would that filter be the reason for no flow Wednesday night?????
    Do they stop fuel flow after they trap too much water?

    I plan on putting a new one on and filling it with fuel first. 


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 11:28:48 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: pghmarty

    Would that filter be the reason for no flow Wednesday night?????
    Do they stop fuel flow after they trap too much water?

    I plan on putting a new one on and filling it with fuel first. 

     
    No, will just have water in your fuel because it will not be able to seperate it anymore...Will still have flow, just gas/water mix which is no good....



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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 11:39:13 (permalink)
    I did not think that was my problem but just wanted to check
    Boat has been out 2-3 times a week and used a lot of fuel.
    Has not sat long enough to cause problem unless fuel I bought was bad.
    With the summer alcohol mix who knows.


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 11:43:40 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: pghmarty

    I did not think that was my problem but just wanted to check
    Boat has been out 2-3 times a week and used a lot of fuel.
    Has not sat long enough to cause problem unless fuel I bought was bad.
    With the summer alcohol mix who knows.


     
    Ya, ethenol bad...Try to get marine fuel from Dock if you can...They don't have ethenol...Also, if you fill your wat sep filter up with fuel, crank over a few times and she fires, you can rule out fuel pump. Then go to vapor lock in tank. I would fill filter up, spray some gas in the carb, keep it running for a little while and see if she will stay running without spraying fuel in carb. Should only take a few seconds of running to prime from Wat Sep Filter. Then should prime from tank...If it's full....



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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 16:50:43 (permalink)
    water seperator and as gas goes 1mile or less per gal is a good ruel of thumb check to see what the gas looks like
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 18:29:15 (permalink)
    Marty id you dont have it figured out by tuesday you can bring it out my garage on spring garden we can help figure out the problem. Wont charge ya to figure it out.
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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 19:10:11 (permalink)
    Thank you!
    I never got a chance to look at it yet.
    Was going out this afternoon to fill tank, prime new filter then drop it in the river to see if it starts.
    Plans got changed-small jobs most of the day-now the crew abandoned me.
    Some went away for the weekend or are working tonight.
    When it runs they sure line up to get on it though.

    Might try to disappear to work on it now but tenants or employer keep finding me.

    I hope it is me just not realizing how much gas I used.
    Last few times I got gas I did not fill it so it may of been close to empty Sunday when I added $60


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 19:57:34 (permalink)
    I just found out a couple things
    1. I am an idiot and let the boat run out of gas.
    2. I have a 40 gallon tank-just put 40gal/$108 in it at CoGo's


    Just came in for some tools instead of using generics I keep on boat
    Don't plan on starting til it's in water but I think it's all good

    Thanks to all who have helped


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/03 20:46:23 (permalink)
    Primed filter, cranked the engine a few times and it fired.
    Figuring on just getting some gas to the pump then hit it with ether tomorrow.
    Oil level is good.


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/07 00:39:55 (permalink)
    Boat ran great Sunday and Monday until leaving the rib festival after concert tonight.
    Did not start No spark
    Could not find test light I keep on boat-gremlins probably borrowed

    Towed to dock again

    Neighbors moved my no parking sign to park someones truck where my boat goes-then left
    Asking this ~!@#$ to hold coil wire when I crank engine tomorrow.
    If he screams really loud it is fixed

    Check engine light came on in truck after backing down my street with boat


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    RE: Boat either ran out of gas. DUH Or has a bad fuel pump. OUCH 2010/09/07 01:27:04 (permalink)
    Geez. Sounds like you fed them after midnight.

    Eat what you catch,troll for cows.
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