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2010/07/30 07:41:06 (permalink)

Tailwaters

Headed up to the Tailwaters after I drop the boy off at Day Care..
Going to try some wading, got a hot tip from one of those tight lipped locals and need a bunch of casting practice with the 6w any way...
You see a grey Ranger pickup truck with a JD plate on the front stop by and say hi...
Hopefully pics to follow...

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    bingsbaits
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/07/30 19:49:57 (permalink)
    Hit the tailwaters for a few hours...Sure do need casting practice.
     
    Ran into Dano and got a little practice Bs'n also...
     
    Caught 8-9 small rainbows on bunny leeches...
    Nothing large....
     
    The water was up a bit and the foam made any type of topwater bite impossible...
     

     

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/07/30 20:44:13 (permalink)
    Nice!!! 

    "They say you forget your troubles on a trout stream, but that's not quite it..... you begin to see where your troubles fit into the grand scheme of things, and suddenly they're just not such a big deal anymore."

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/07/31 08:09:06 (permalink)
    Headed back up to play with the canoers today..
    Never realized how many people canoe the river...
    See if I can fish all the way around Dixon Island, with a 2180 cfs may be a little deep....

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/07/31 19:27:50 (permalink)
    2100 - WOULD CATCH ME WADING , 16-17 00 IS MY LIMIT , 2100 IS ROLLING BINGS BE CAREFULL
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/01 07:17:55 (permalink)
    Sure was strong slammer, kinda tough gettin out far enough to reach the slot..Man is that current strong...
    Didn't make it all the way around Dixon but did fish the perimeter of the smaller island to the east..
    Still lookin for that big brown, could only manage another half dozen small rainbows again...
    They sure do like that natural colored bunny leech with the red collar though....
    Saw some deer and an eagle out on the island pretty cool...

    Couple more pics..










    post edited by bingsbaits - 2010/08/01 07:18:40

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/01 10:24:35 (permalink)
    Saweet

    I don't always snag fish, but when I do...
    I choose Little Cleos

    I'm the best looking smartest snagging poacher alive...
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/01 22:08:00 (permalink)
    bing...the current flow is 2180. What the heck are you doing wading out there? Be careful man. I'm planning on heading up Monday night. I won't be wading though. I'm still looking for my first Brown up there. All of those fingerlings aren't going to make it easy. The predator fish (big Browns included)are no doubt gorging themselves.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/02 06:03:29 (permalink)
    I dont live close to the Allegheny but have been fishing those tailwaters a good long time. Those fingerlings do provide good food. i caught a hefty walleye once with a few in his stomach
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/02 15:35:00 (permalink)
    Went back up today for 2 1/2 hours of fishing...
    Went for numbers today and took the spinning rod...
    Hammered 68 8"-9" rainbows out in the slot...That's to hand or end of the rod..Missed at least half again that many..
    One stretch had a fish on 7 casts in a row...
    I cut 2 of the hooks off the treble and pinched my barb down for less harm to the little bows...
    One of these casts and it's going to be that 2 foot Brownie......

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/02 16:00:59 (permalink)
    jeez, guys.  I've waded at 15,000 in the night.  Its all where you go.

    around 2000-2500, walk from the hemlock side.  much easier.

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/02 16:20:04 (permalink)
    I'm a wuss. I avoid night wading.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/02 19:39:11 (permalink)
    this board def. brings out the bs in all of us ,. waded in 15,000 ? where at below ridgway ? certainly not from dixon island to the ****
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/02 21:17:32 (permalink)
    At 15,000 you could wade the parking lot..
     
    It dropped as I was fishing today from 2180 down to 1600.
     
    At 2180 you didn't go sack deep, too strong....Had to nestle your feet in the rocks for a base....
     
    Today it was better and could go waist deep and cover the whole river at the island....
     
    Why would they dump that many fish in one spot ??
     
    There has to be some Uber predators there some where feeding on those smolts.....

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/02 22:19:25 (permalink)
    I would think with them just putting the fingerlings in last week, they are still in hatchery mode. Safety in numbers.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/03 07:54:44 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: troutslammer

    this board def. brings out the bs in all of us ,. waded in 15,000 ? where at below ridgway ?


    Indeed it would have to an incredible storm to send the alleghany river to ridgway.

    Bing is half right.  My winter wading spot is very high and dry this time of year.  and shockingly effectively.
    at 15,000 the winter flow pushes lethargic fish into a few slack areas not far from the bank.  done just right a slow plug can catch some incredible predators.

    by the sounds of it, I made my point.  its not what the water water flow is, per se, it's the current (mainly) and depth
     

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/03 08:32:11 (permalink)
    It is good to see some posts about the tailwaters. i never had too much experience near dixon island and now that the kids are raised i will be spending
    more time expanding where i fish. No damage from me i throw everything back. I am glad to see you can wade to the island during lower water releases
    I am gearing up for the fall my favorite time.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/03 08:35:13 (permalink)
    I agree with outfortrout on the wading at night and jolie brings a very good point about higher water bringing larger ones in to the slack=during a 10000cfs release i hooked a 42inch lunge 5 feet from shore.
    I love that river the opportunities are endless.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/03 15:54:19 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: anadromous

    I caught a few predators there a few weeks ago....I must have caught a dozen dinkbows and then I took off the caddis larva and PT and got medieval on them. 2x tippet and a 4inch white bunny leech with a red collar...two casts later a 21 inch bow. Many large fish that day...one of those big fish came above while wading knee deep in the NO WADE zone...big brown cost me 75 beans.GO BIG or GO HOME when the juvenille delinquents are on the feed..
    ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

    At 15,000 you could wade the parking lot..

    It dropped as I was fishing today from 2180 down to 1600.

    At 2180 you didn't go sack deep, too strong....Had to nestle your feet in the rocks for a base....

    Today it was better and could go waist deep and cover the whole river at the island....

    Why would they dump that many fish in one spot ??

    There has to be some Uber predators there some where feeding on those smolts.....




    yikes, dennis.  just out of curiosity how far up from the wading signs were you? 

    I've been told that occasionally the cops can be downright anal.  still even an inch of water can make the difference between effectively fishing the river and lodging expensive rapallas into the shoreline rock in certain spots.  I've got this fear that someday some smart aleck cop is going to give me the big fine because the water is cresting over the rock I'm standing on.

    Its sometimes keeps me below the wading signs. though that is alot easier to do on the 59 side than the hemlock.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/03 19:34:38 (permalink)
    dennis ,

    that seam is awesome and sometimes there are a few risers in the frog water out in the middle between the 2 current channels , the water flow is affected by discharge rate , at 15,000 cfs the river is not wadable as far as i am concerned (meaning you cannot cross to dixon island in those flows ) yes you can stand on a big flat rock a foot off shore and cast a rapala but thats not true wading to me
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/03 20:46:23 (permalink)
    I fished the tailwaters this morning. Not much luck though. I lost a nice fish farther downstream than I've fished before. Couldn't see what it was. Probably 18 inches or so. Not much else going on. Caught four dinky rainbows on lures and a sucker and chub on crawlers. I fished for about eight hours. I feel like a super villain from a movie "I'll get you next time Kinzua!".
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/03 21:17:56 (permalink)
    Bings we will have to make plans to go down, I will have to pin those seams and swing some big leeches with my switch rod. Ill shoot you a PM for plans.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/15 12:05:28 (permalink)
    i like to whif big musky plugs on the hatchery side never caught one but i did miss a monster a long time ago
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/16 23:47:55 (permalink)
    Great thread guys. Dennis, your "fine" story reminded me of the kid from the movie "Sandlot" who faked drowning so he could get the cute lifeguard to resuscitate him. RISK VS. REWARD. Was it worth it? OH YEAH!!!

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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/18 21:27:45 (permalink)
    Bings is as talented with a camera as much as he is with a rod ! Nice creative pictures Bings , Very much appreciated ! ! !
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/08/20 15:58:38 (permalink)
    Just because you cant wade to dixion island doesnt mean you cant wade at 15000. Trust me when Jolie says he wades at 15000, he is. He might be 20 feet or so from shore but he is bellybutton deep or deeper, and Im sorry but if you are standing in the riffles at dixon Island at in 1500 flow thats nothing compared to what I have seen Jolie do. Wading is all relative, its your own comfort level. Jolie and I wade in high water to get to spots that are otherwise unreachable by shore for the same reason why people wade at dixon island. Anadromous got busted for wading for being shin deep so as far as the Corps of engineers are concerned, he was wading. Another benifit to fishing at night.. harder to see you wading.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/09/01 10:55:03 (permalink)
    I plan on doing some fishing this weekend below kinzua all the way down to warren. I am going to try fly fishing for the first time and I don't know how well its going to go. I just wanted to know if I could get some pointers on what flies to use. Wet? Dry? I don't know. Any advice would help a lot. Thanks.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/09/01 12:22:10 (permalink)

    I wont be of much help in what particular fly to use, although I have noticed a small hatch of caddis this past week.
    I just wanted to post to inform you that the outflow has increased to 2250. So use caution when wading. I personally don't feel uncomfortable in that flow, I have done it many, many times, and never felt worried a bit. If you are fishing the Dixon island area, your best bet for access to the island is to park on the Hemlock side, and then wade over to the island at the very tip (east, or upsteam side). It shouldn't get more then thigh deep if you are at least 5'10 (how tall i am) and the current strength is not bad. If you wade to the island and fish along the Rt.59 side of Dixon island while hugging the shoreline, you shouldn't have a problem and you can wade out to your desired comfort. There are no immediate drop offs to worry about either if you are walking out from shore.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/09/01 12:46:31 (permalink)
    Andy, Please keep in mind that there river is filled to the brim with 7" trout.

    now if you like to catch 7" trout, I'm sure that they would be cooperative with many different patterns.  personally, a think a small generic nymph, wouldn't go more than a few feet before you had a fish.  but if you are trying to catch a big fish, you ought to try to find something that looks MORE like a fingerling than something a fingerling would eat.

    If I were to fly fish it, I wouldn't use anything smaller than a 4 muddler minnow and I'll bet a big marabou streamer in on 1/0 hook is closer to what most people throw.

    keep in mind that even with a lure as big as 5" still we catch fingerlings (and that after dark, as well).

    also I would go for the big tackle, 6-7 weight fly outfit. to work the river thoroughly you're going to need some pretty far casts with a heavy fly.

    I'm sure this would seem a little better coming from an active fly fishermen.  but its at least some beginning information, if dixon island fly fishermen don't see your thread.
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    RE: Tailwaters 2010/09/01 14:22:28 (permalink)
    I have fished it multiple times this year but never with a fly rod. Last trip up I got a few 18 inch rainbows but no browns which is what I'm after and probably everyone else that fishes it as well. I am just really looking for a pattern to use because I have never fly fished and know slim to none about it. I can't even cast the rod right but I'm going to give it a try.
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