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Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution

Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
Sportsmen in favor of separating buck and doe season may have a friend in Harrisburg.

State Sen. Rich Kasunic released a resolution Thursday that asks the Pennsylvania Game Commission to revise its hunting policies.

“I think it’s time to tweak the system,” said Kasunic, who serves as Democratic chairman of the state Senate’s Game and Fisheries Committee.

The current policy of holding buck and doe seasons at the same time has been in place since 2001. But Kasunic said he advocates a shorter three-day doe season separate from a two-week buck season.

“(Hunters) are very concerned about our deer management program and the lack of deer they’re seeing in the woods,” he said. “We need to listen to the sportsmen.”

The senator’s resolution comes less than a week before the Game Commission meets to make a final decision on 2010 hunting policies.

In January the commission gave preliminary approval to a proposal that cuts doe season in half, but still allows antlerless deer hunting during the final seven days of buck season.

The change would apply to all of Somerset County and other regions within the state’s 2C wildlife management unit. Three other districts were also included.

Ronald L. Gallo, Kasunic’s lone opponent in the Democratic primary, was not impressed with the senator’s statement. The Fayette County businessman said this type of change should have been advocated a long time ago.

“He’s been on the Game and Fisheries Committee for years and now he’s finally going to do something?” Gallo asked. “Where’s he been?”

Jerry Feaser, a Game Commission spokesman, said the agency is already moving to stabilize the deer population.

According to Feaser, there were 49,000 antlerless deer licenses granted for the 2C wildlife management unit in both 2008 and 2009. This is 4,000 less than the 53,000 permitted in 2005.

He did not, however, speculate on the potential impact of Kasunic’s resolution.

“Obviously we take any public input,” Feaser said. “I’m sure they’ll take the senator’s comments into consideration.”

The commission is expected to make a final decision Tuesday.

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    eyesandgillz
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/16 15:24:02 (permalink)
    Yep, just what the PGC needs, the legislature determining seasons.  Talk about a slippery slope.
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/17 14:21:36 (permalink)
    While I don't necessarly agree with a return to the old 3 day doe season I would rather see the Legislature listening to the hunters than just to folks like the Audubon who are still pushing the politicans for herd reduction. They(the audubon) were still quoting facts from 10 years ago as if we still had the same situation in their testimony in Harrisburg just this month.
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/17 19:16:22 (permalink)
    I agree with everything you said s10. Im not sure if this is the best solution but i do like that the legislators are listening and at least keeping this problem in the forefront as opposed to ignoring it and hoping it goes away on its own.

    I just saw a new article by some enviromentalist-nut stating that "the experts" are saying we have a deer epidemic and overpopulation NOW. lmao. How many people who dont hunt or dont know whats going on will read that nonsense and may believe this drivel? We have idiots like this that sure as heck arent our friends and some think we shouldnt accept or even seek out help from legislators when the opposition are more than willing to use anything to their advantage that they can??
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/19 00:10:06 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz

    Yep, just what the PGC needs, the legislature determining seasons.  Talk about a slippery slope.

    We DONT WANT that!
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/19 08:18:08 (permalink)
    Tis the season for re-election.

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/19 16:02:58 (permalink)
    "We DONT WANT that!"

    Course not. We might end up with political pressure forcing pgc to hire environmentalist extreme biologists whom will do something ridiculous like 18 bazillion doe tags and a dwindling deer herd because the timber industry and econuts have friends in high places...

    Oh... Too late... lol.

    We dont want legislators setting seasons. But we DO want them to enforce their oversight and ensure our best interests are a consideration. Thus far, they havent been. But the winds just might be a changin'.
    post edited by wayne c - 2010/04/19 16:07:49
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/19 20:45:17 (permalink)
    Ya may get your wish tomorrow Wayne.  Biologists wanting to keep allocations unchanged and this new look BOC bout ready to shake things up a bit. 
     
    Will be interesting to see the outcome. Cuts in antlerless tags, possible fall turkey start 3rd week in October, Saturday bear, unlimited bobcat tags...........

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/20 07:56:01 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: wayne c

    we DO want them to enforce their oversight and ensure our best interests are a consideration.


    Yer best interests are always a consideration Wayne, but biology overrules socialogy in wildlife management.



    Didn't I hear you say you killed a buck this year ? How about last ?

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/20 08:17:52 (permalink)
    What is so bad about the legislature having a say?

    I really don't understand that, if people are so fed up with the Game Commissioners.  I mean they have OBVIOUSLY either been totally duped by the forestry biologist who were paid off by the insurance companies, OR were paid off directly by the insurance companies.  I guess it could be just as easy to get in the legislatures pockets, but there are more of them, and we the hunters(lots of us in PA) would have a chance to show our displeasure at the voting booth.  We may be able to Email the Game Commissioners now, but that is about as far as it goes, it's not like we can vote them out.

    Also, why is it such a bad idea for the Fish&Boat and Game Commission to be one in the same?
    I would like appreciate serious answers, because I honestly don't really understand it. Would it be a money problem, or do you think it would be too difficult for them to reasonably manage both?  Or is it some other reason that I haven't thought of?
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/20 10:38:42 (permalink)



    My home WMU (4D) doe allocations were dropped from 40,000 to 32,000 for the coming year.


    tippe- it's about control. If the PGC collapses, the state game lands (paid with by our money) goes to the state.

    Fast eddy and his cronies can put a casino on our lands if they want. The governor would control hunting. The more politics, the more money involved, and the more anti-hunting. I could go on and on but that about sums it up.

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/20 22:10:10 (permalink)
    "Yer best interests are always a consideration Wayne, but biology overrules socialogy in wildlife management. "

    Yeah. And the greed commission proved it today didnt they? Went against biologists recommendations of "science" only in the units they decided for no real reason (because some were rated as very low habitatwise etc.) yet dropped some of the allocations slightly....and shortened a few seasons against biologists wishes. (which i have no problem with, because i do not agree with the goals/agenda) Yet other wmus were completely snubbed. Trying for the fee increase before jacking the allocation up even higher most likely. There are units below cc for no real reason certainly not biological reasons. Familiarize yourself with the annual reports and you wouldnt have made that comment. Many, in fact most wmus were never rated as low herd health even at peak populations back in 2000 etc...and still arent. Not my personal opinion, but thats the data. My personal opinion agrees.

    "Didn't I hear you say you killed a buck this year ? How about last ? "

    Whether i killed one the last 30 years straight or never killed one it wouldnt make a bit of difference. If i killed a buck and there were 1000 (or any number, pick one) deer in the whole state does that mean thats how many there should be? Basing ones opinion on their own success alone (or lack of) is nothing but selfish shortsighted nonsense. There are MANY things that factor into my thoughts on deer management. The experience doest start & end the second a buck hits the ground. It also doesnt mean one thing towards others or the sport present past or future. I wouldnt dream of being so short sighted with such an important issue. Im also not some dumb-azz bubba that just fell off the turnip truck.



    ....I fell off over two weeks ago.
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/20 22:25:26 (permalink)
    "My home WMU (4D) doe allocations were dropped from 40,000 to 32,000 for the coming year."

    Lucky you. The latest data from pgc (the same that this round of antlerless allocation was based upon) has the regeneration listed as 34% and POOR for the unit and the biologists requested NO REDUCTION to the allocation but boc said otherwise. Yet other wmus that rated better where ignored. Yeah. Science. That decision making had absolutely nothing to do with science.

    "Fast eddy and his cronies can put a casino on our lands if they want. The governor would control hunting. The more politics, the more money involved, and the more anti-hunting. I could go on and on but that about sums it up."

    Not reality. 1. There are other, better options. 2. Fast Eddie is on his way out. 3. The governor already controls things through dcnr & power over pgc as well as power of appointing commissioners etc. 4. There are Federal laws in place governing & protecting our game lands usage.
    post edited by wayne c - 2010/04/20 22:34:24
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 07:55:49 (permalink)
    You wouldn't happen to know a guy named Wayne, former director of the Unified Sportsman, would you ?


    Just sound a lot like 'em with yer comments.


    Did you go to the meeting and testify yesterday ?

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 08:23:54 (permalink)
    The "greed" commission proved today they are there to manage hunters, not wildlife.

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 08:24:42 (permalink)
    "The experience doest start & end the second a buck hits the ground."


    That's exactly right so quit complainin' about the game commission and go HUNT.

    Waugh ! (haha)

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 08:25:54 (permalink)
    "There are Federal laws in place governing & protecting our game lands usage."

    Federal laws can be changed, especially when the almight dollar is involved.
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 10:04:09 (permalink)
    "You wouldn't happen to know a guy named Wayne, former director of the Unified Sportsman, would you ? "

    Nope. Dont know one single usp member. You wouldnt happen to be a pgc or audubon member would you?


    "Did you go to the meeting and testify yesterday"

    Nope. Not unlike most who think the pgc plan sucks and didnt go.. Some have to work! Course I probably wouldnt have went anyway. I usually know the ending before the storty begins. Its replayed quite often. Ive also already made my feelings known to those who matter. [:'(]

    "The "greed" commission proved today they are there to manage hunters, not wildlife."

    I agree. And thats not completely a bad thing. Though I think the legitimacy of their whining about "science" every time a hunter opens his mouth about the deer herd just flew right out the window.


    "Federal laws can be changed, especially when the almight dollar is involved."

    Im content to take my chances. That could change with the almighty dollar involved now just as likely/unlikely. There is already quite a bit of game lands alternate use. See the pgc website for bike trails, walking trails, horse trails and snowmobile trails in your area.



    Waugh eh? He he he. Id never have recognized you JB. Not enough complaining about antler restrictions as on the other board. lol
    post edited by wayne c - 2010/04/21 10:06:11
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 11:11:32 (permalink)
    "I usually know the ending before the storty begins."


    Yet yesterday, you wouldn't have known the ending. It has changed.


    I'm not JB, but I DO think waugh is funny.

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 11:43:46 (permalink)
    "Yet yesterday, you wouldn't have known the ending. It has changed."

    I knew the ending. Saw the same attempts at getting a license fee increase previously when they went to the 4 nonconcurrent units. I knew more efforts towards that end would be coming. I also knew theyd most definately increase in scope, but still as little as they believe they can get away with and things easily retractable. If there is no fee increase, you can bet your bottom dollar more significant attempts will be made next year. That is unless that gas start rolling in that the legislative board spoke of and as long as enough hunters & legislators arent fooled easily.

    post edited by wayne c - 2010/04/21 11:48:24
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 11:56:14 (permalink)
    "That's exactly right so quit complainin' about the game commission and go HUNT. "

    Ive got no problem with multi-tasking. My complaining doesnt effect my time spent hunting and vice-versa.
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/21 14:01:40 (permalink)
    As far as a merger would go, a combined "Wildlife Commission" covering Game, Fish and Boating, as a stand alone, self regulated agency, would not be a bad consolidation in my mind, as long as DCNR was totally separate.  Their shared resources could help reduce overhead costs. 
     
    As far as the current commission goes, if I were on it, I'd be getting back door promises from legislators to get the license increase (and after it was in law), bite the bullet for one year and reduce the antlerless license allocations to appease the whiners then institute a special lengthened season to help increase the antlerless harvest if need be.  But that is just me....
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/22 12:34:45 (permalink)
    Double post. Technical site difficulty!
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/22 12:37:35 (permalink)
    I agree 100% eyes & gills. Although that wouldnt be my tactic, if my goal was similiar to those held in recent years by the commission, that would be my tactic as well. Question is, what is the mindset and exact intended direction of those on the board.

    I know Boops position as im sure most do, and hes been against much of the reduction etc. since day one. I know Shrefflers & Isabellas... Two whom are of the same mind as Pallone & Shleiden were and most didnt need to see their diessenting votes this round to know it. The rest? Not sure about them all, but think i have a pretty good read on a couple from all i know of them, and judging by what i know, id say you hit the nail on the head with your "plan" not being far from reality. I would be willing to bet quite a bit on it.
    post edited by wayne c - 2010/04/22 12:40:11
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/26 13:57:35 (permalink)
    Yinz guys keep complaining about our commissioners. At least that are all hunters. Once the DCNR takes over, which some of you want, maybe we'll get tree huggers, maybe even a few anti-hunters on the BOC. Heck let's seat up Jon Corzine. Super !

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/26 15:15:47 (permalink)
    "Yinz guys keep complaining about our commissioners. At least that are all hunters."

    I dont know that. I know they cannot get a commissioner seat unless they buy a license and claim to be. Small price to pay to have so much say and further an agenda....$20. I know of one that almost became a commissioner that cared about as much about hunting as the man in the moon. Her attempt was squelched. There are also many who do hunt, but have much stronger agendas in play. Other interests that make "hunting" for them take a far back seat. Understandable. But not exactly beneficial or comforting to the hunters of the state.

    "Once the DCNR takes over,"

    C'mon man, the scare tactics are getting old. There are better options than dcnr taking over, and them taking over would require alot of stakeholder support & legislative. Currently that level of support doesnt exist. And such a "change" doesnt just happen overnight. Wake up one morning and BAM! DCNR has the helm, hunting is done! lol.

    "which some of you want, maybe we'll get tree huggers, maybe even a few anti-hunters on the BOC."

    There is no more or less likelihood that there wont be in our current scenario. In case you missed it, the same guy has control. The governor. He can just as easily lobby for and put into place those type commissioners as he could put those same people into wildlife management positions at dcnr.

    Anyway, things are bad enough where doing and saying nothing is not an acceptable option. Im not gonna fear a ridiculouly unlikely extreme near impossiblity when we already know we are putting up with unacceptable mismanagement NOW.


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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/26 15:32:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: wayne c

    There are better options than dcnr taking over, and them taking over would require alot of stakeholder support & legislative. Currently that level of support doesnt exist. And such a "change" doesnt just happen overnight.



    Currently those levels don't exist, yet you are one who asks legislation to get involved. Yet, there are better options. Keep spinnin' that. I'll keep laughing.


    What ARE the answers Wayne ? You sign on here and start yappin' about stuff that's been yapped and yapped over nad over, but I've yet to see you provide suggestions. What should the deer management plan be ? What do YOU want ?

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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/26 18:26:09 (permalink)
    Exactly what type of hunter was Roxanne Palone?

    Better too far back, than too far forward.
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/26 19:06:28 (permalink)
    She says she had 4 brothers that taught her to hunt. Lived on a beef farm as a kid. Don't know about her later years.
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    RE: Kasunic Antlerless Deer Season Resolution 2010/04/26 21:31:46 (permalink)
    Palone was listed as a professional forester so that education probably influenced her attitude towards anything that interfers with turning an acorn into a stump.
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