river boat question

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2010/02/26 18:18:33 (permalink)

river boat question

im looking to buy a boat for the river. i plan on getting a alumacraft 1648 mv. my question for all is what motor to get. im debating on a yamaha 30/40 jet or a mercury 25/30 jet or am i better off going with a 30 or 35 hp prop motor with a jack plate? ive been told to stay away from yamaha but s2 people told me to go with yamaha jets. thank you for all your help.
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    smallie2
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/26 20:56:06 (permalink)
    Either. Get the tunnel hull on the boat.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/26 21:03:35 (permalink)
    since its an alumacraft 1648 john mv will both motors get the boat on plane?
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/27 14:41:43 (permalink)
    Depends on how shallow the rivers will be. If dinging up a prop isn't an issue, then go with the prop.  If depth is an issue then a jet would be the way to go.  You can never have enough HP, especially if you're going to have other people in the boat so go with the bigger jet if you can.    
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/27 17:42:54 (permalink)
    Jet motors are great, but you got to remember they can go thru the shallow water at high speeds but if you slow down they set down quickly, then you can be grounded. My Tracker 190ProJet had a 225 hp Merc., thats 190hp out the jet, I have gone thru 3 inchs of water at 25mph, but had I slowed it would have set down, needing 15 inchs to float. You gotta remember this with any jet, mine weighed 1450 pds. , kinda heavy to drag.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/27 17:58:42 (permalink)
    dave, great advice.  I have never thought of that, but it makes perfect sence.  I have only owned props while in the 3 rivers area, recently moved to harrisburg and sold my prop boat.

    what someone else said...if you need the jet, get a jet...if you do not, go with a prop and save some money, or put it into a bigger motor.

    I snag steelhead on the reg.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/27 18:23:22 (permalink)
    um i do have one more question. is a boat with a tunnel prop effective as a jet?
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/27 21:52:47 (permalink)
    I have no experience with the tunnel props.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/27 22:04:07 (permalink)
    did any one hear or know of any one that has one?
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/28 10:37:47 (permalink)
    Boat with a tunnel and the jet is the way to go for the river, I ran a tunnel and a prop for a summer and still bought new props, there is always somewhere better and shallower to go!!

    Better too far back, than too far forward.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/02/28 20:46:07 (permalink)
    tomorrow im going to look at a xpress 1756 with a 85/50 hp jet. how would a carolina skiff boat be in the river with a jet?
    post edited by cowboy9from0hell - 2010/02/28 21:35:36
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/01 13:23:23 (permalink)
    I believe in having the largest motor your boat is rated for no matter which type you go with.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/05 22:06:44 (permalink)
    I put a Yamaha 40/60 4 stroke on my 16' Sea Nymph 2 years ago and love it. I had a 50/75 Evinrude 2 stroke before that and the Yamaha puts it on plane faster and starts like a dream. They are a little pricey, I waited and saved my $$ for a year after blowing the Evinrude up and have no regrets. I would not run a prop if you are fishing rivers, I have seen a few guys grinding rocks in areas that I can stay on plane with no worries.
    I posted this on your other thread also. Keep in mind, regardless of whether or not you choose a jet, common sense plays a big part.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/07 17:33:17 (permalink)
    ok. i got another question. im looking at a boat and the motor is a yamaha 50/35. the guy took it to the shop to get serviced and they told him it needs a water pump and a head gasket because it started to over heat. why would the motor need a head gasket? is it worth getting? am i lookoing for problems down the road if i buy it? the guy told me when it gets fixed that he will take me a for a 20-30 minute ride to show me their are no problems with and its 100% ready to rip. any opinions?
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/07 21:22:09 (permalink)
    I would question the head gasket, i am not saying they never wear out, but question his reasons for the failing gasket? If he tries to feed you a line i would question his merrits. If his answers seem like he is a strait shooter, ask if he will warrenty the motor if it is good shape (have it on a reciept, dated and signed) then you will know if he is telling the truth.

    Also if he will take you for a ride, make sure you drive it also. Drive it hard, its your buck.

    My experence has been, every name brand of outboards are reliable despite when some say i have owned them all. just a few tips from my travels
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/07 21:27:39 (permalink)
    ok this what word for word of what i was told. the guy that owns the boat told me he bought the boat in october and ran the boat 2 or 3 times from october to now and said it ran perfect. he took it into get serviced thursday and they told the guy friday that the boat needed a water pump and head gasket because it started to overheat and spew water after 20 minutes. i believe he said the motor is a 96 or 99. it is oil injected
    post edited by cowboy9from0hell - 2010/03/07 21:29:05
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/07 22:52:38 (permalink)
    You may suggest taking the boat to a mechanic of your choice. There is always a possibility the head is warped or cracked. Do some research and see if there were any recalls on the motor. Had I done some research i would have found out that Evinrude recalled mine for an overheating problem. Good luck.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/08 06:19:07 (permalink)
    Why would someone buy the motor run it for a 2-3 min. then put it away? Anyway

    Supercrew02 has a good point, see if the person selling would let you have a service man of your choice look at it. The more you dig the more you will unearth a piece of crap or a piece of gold. Its your job to find out what he has.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/08 07:41:15 (permalink)
    if you run a prop you have a option of a prop guard cost around 100 buck or you can have one made hp is always better in some cases heck you can run a 9.9 kicker for that matter in the river i have mine set up with a 9.9 and a 35hp for now with 2 ele one bow one stern and its a 16ft and i can get some skinny water i just pick up the big motor
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/08 20:39:11 (permalink)
    ive narrowed my search down to the 1996 16' sea ark with the yamaha 50/35 for 5000 and the 2010 tracker grizzley 1448 with a mercury 30/25 for 7000. id like some feed back on both or please voice some opinnions. thank you fro those who have halped me and answered questions
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/08 21:46:47 (permalink)
    SeaArk is twice the quality as far as hull construction, for a river boat this is a huge factor. SeaArk gives a lifetime hull warrenty, check the website. I totaled my tracker in the Yough, it didn;t take much of a hit to cave in the hull, it had no ribs for stiffining or protection, SeaArks do.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/09 05:59:44 (permalink)
    i called the shop yesterday and they told me that their is no damage to the head, the block and pistons. they said the reason the head gasket went or why the mechanic thinks it went is because the boat sat for awhile.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/09 06:00:29 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: dave15012

    SeaArk is twice the quality as far as hull construction, for a river boat this is a huge factor. SeaArk gives a lifetime hull warrenty, check the website. I totaled my tracker in the Yough, it didn;t take much of a hit to cave in the hull, it had no ribs for stiffining or protection, SeaArks do.


    does that go for the original owner or the newest owner of the boat?
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/12 22:15:05 (permalink)
    is their a big difference between a 30/25 jet and a 40/30 jet for speed/mph? i was told that their is a 2-3 mph diofference.
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/13 09:48:12 (permalink)
    I can not tell you the difference, alot goes in to speed on boats. Also with the diff hp the 40 should put you on plane faster topspeed might not be to drasticaly different between the two but time to plane out would be quicker. In a river that would be more important that all out speed IMO. Put the biggest motor you can afford on the back (assuming they are the same condition wise)
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    RE: river boat question 2010/03/13 15:51:23 (permalink)
    im looking at a sea ark 1448 and putting a 40/30 yamaha jet on that since it calls for a 30 hp max. would that plane out pretty fast if i put a side conole on it and a trolling motor on the bow? and possibly put a extra fuel tank in the front?
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