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2009/12/26 18:49:52 (permalink)

BROADHEADS

The old man got a new xbow from santa yesterday.We went to the archery shop today to get some broadheads.Everyone told me to get him spitfires.They had one pack left the xp pro series.We got the xbow sighted in an those heads fly like fielp tips out to 40 yards.We didn't try not farther then that because i don't think you could kill one pass 40 yards anyways.I hope he gets one so i can see the holes it leaves.Has anyone else used these before if so how did the do?
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/27 20:06:46 (permalink)
    What kind of bow did he get?

    My rifle is a black rifle
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/27 20:21:24 (permalink)
    Horto vision that's the one he liked becaus of the limbs being backwards.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/28 08:20:28 (permalink)
    I have shot the Vision and it is the quietest crossbow on the market.  It is only average though in the speed department so I would start in closer with the expandables and check their performance on deer.  At 40 yards the arrow will be traveling much slower. 

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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/28 08:55:31 (permalink)
    When shooting a xbow,keep in mind your shooting and easier bow(practic wise),the K. energy is not there,so keep your shots it 30 yards or so,thinking like you are shooting a gun will have bad results.I've used them in Ohio since 92 and have killed a lot of deer,but all where 30 yards or less,I,ve shot my H.175 on target at 40 but don't think I'd shoot at a deer at 40,there's a lot of things that can go wrong at that distance(small unseen twigs for deflection),just my opinion,If everybody that shoots xbow,used bow judgment,they wound not get a bad rap.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/28 14:53:49 (permalink)
    Havent shot spitfires.  But I know 2 people that have in the past and they both are still shooting them to this day.  I have heard they fly great and leave a good blood trail.   No matter what kind of head you use, shot placement is the most important thing.  Only deer I have killed with a bow was with a broadhead with a cut diamater of a little over and inch. (N.A.P. Nitron to be exact)  I agree with you on the distance.  Not shooting past 40 yards.  Good luck.  Hope those heads treat you well.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/28 16:42:08 (permalink)
    Rage have been good to me!!!!
    What Tiff & Lee shoot!!!!
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/28 17:19:30 (permalink)
    Spitfires rock!! I used them this year for the first time and killed a buck and doe, both had great blood and big holes, needless to say, I'll be shooting them again next year.

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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/28 17:34:59 (permalink)
    I havent used spitfires for around 5 years. Used them for 2 seasons and killed 3 does. They left a heavy blood trail, and the deer all dropped in sight. The only reason I stopped using them is because my local shop didnt carry the replacement blades and I felt like trying something new.
     
    I did get a pass through on all three deer, but the arrows did not stick in the ground, it was as if the arrows had just enough energy to pass through, but no extra. I will say I've gone through 3 bows since that time, and the bow I shot the spitfires out of was not a particuarly fast one.
     
    They're a good head, and like any other head on the market, they'll do the job, so long as you put the arrow where it needs to be.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/28 18:51:56 (permalink)
    tiff and lee shoot g5 not rage
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/29 17:45:59 (permalink)
    i love g5! i use the montecs, they are scary sharp out of the package and really tuff. they also make a diamond stone that keeps them that sharp too.

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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/29 18:36:17 (permalink)
    No they shoot Rage,two blades,I've use 3 blade rage and you get pass throughs that stick into the ground,the hole in and out is huge,but like any broadhead,it about shot placement.I used the old mini blasters,out of and old XI legend compoumd bow and killed 26 deer,turned up to 70lbs,237fps,had a bad shoulder one year and turned it down to 55lbs,it shot something like 190 fps,and still killed a buck,and two doe's,it's all about shot placement.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/29 19:21:16 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: takeagillpill

    i love g5! i use the montecs, they are scary sharp out of the package and really tuff. they also make a diamond stone that keeps them that sharp too.



    Actually not that true. Take a Hellraiser out of the package and compare the two. It isn't even close. Even G5 is aware that the Montec is not the sharpest out of the package (they advertise another broadhead of their own as being 25% sharper...). That said, both fly great and will get the job done.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/29 21:14:12 (permalink)
    I also shoot g5 montecs for the last two years.I shot my bear at 8 yards quartering away went through both lungs and out the oppisite shoulder.I killed a doe this year at 22 yards pulled the shoot a little bit blow right through both shoulder blades.I killed my buck last year walking away at 28 yards tried to spine him but missed the arrow went through the filet bone and cut the liver.Your right griff there not that sharp out of the pack just read the reviews about them that's there only down fall.I wanted to switch to rage but i'm not the greatest of shooters so i just stick with something that will crush bones when human errors happen.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2009/12/30 21:49:15 (permalink)
    Lee and Tiffany shoot G-5! And Ill second the hell razors sharpness compared to montecs... The diff is ridiculous!
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/03 07:26:19 (permalink)
    Spitfires are a great mechanical, Rage are garbage, they open in flight and in the quiver , hit them on a branch they open ,just a big pain in the A**
    I will be trying the Slick Trick fixed blades in 2010. I have heard many good things with them ! Shot Placement and a good follow up tracking job is Essential in bow hunting!

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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/03 08:21:12 (permalink)
    I just went to rage and haven't shot anything with them yet but they are a real pain when still hunting. You can't touch anything without them opening up and often they appear to open at will.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/03 09:13:56 (permalink)
    I don't personally shoot Rage, but have a lot friends that swear by them.  I recently watched an episode of Wild Outdoors and Jay Gregory performed a demonstration with the Rage vs. another expandable (don't remember which one, but it is highly regarded).  He shot 1 gallon milk jugs with each, shooting the Rage last.  The Rage bucket drained out a lot faster than the other bucket, even though it was shot afterwords.  It was a great demonstration and definitely a positive for the Rage if I were going to use an expandable ever again.  
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/07 13:22:37 (permalink)
    rage have a hell of a cutting diameter but dont penetrate well.
    muzzys always do the job.
     

     
    a rage on a crossbow bolt isnt a good combo in my opinion because the light weight bolts lose energy in flight very quickly.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/07 19:59:51 (permalink)
    "rage have a hell of a cutting diameter but dont penetrate well."

    WHAT!?!?!?!?

    20+ kills with them here and only one didn't pass through...that one was drilled square in the shoulder.  I mean in the knuckle of the shoulder...the ball and socket.  Not the scapula or shoulder blade.  Still got 6" of penetration, one lung.
    Broke three ribs on a doe, on the near side, this year.  Broke two on the far side.

    A lot of broadheads get great penetration and Rage is one of them.  Hit em in the right place and a field tip will work too.

    I love them!

    I asked this question before...How do you know your blades are opening during flight?  Seriously?  I shot through paper at 20 yards and every cut was identical and on target.  Are these just assumptions by saying they open during flight?  How do you prove it?  Is there a way?
    I can understand clipping a branch or something but any arrow/bh is gonna get thrown off target, I don't care what you are shooting.

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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/08 16:43:18 (permalink)
    Ironhed,

    If you have super vision and can slow down time you can actually walk beside your arrow and watch the blades. It is pretty simple.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/08 23:56:01 (permalink)
    You're right Rp.  Never thought of that.

    Been curious to hear the answers.  Seriously.
     
    Just watched a dude tonight, cutting playing cards in half at 30 yards. 
    He opened the blades before he shot! 
    They fly the same.
    Geez.

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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/09 23:38:16 (permalink)
    or you could watch all the high speed test on a website and that will show you also will tell you that rage is rated 4 out of 10 stars for penatration with a 60 pound bow with a 29 inch draw. but once again i had bad luck with them but i know a few guys and you guys on here that love them so if they work for you then of course your going to love them.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/10 14:49:06 (permalink)
    So what is the best broadhead out there today?I had very good luck with the g5 montecs but i'm thinking about switching to the g5 striker.I'm not sure yet because i don't like the idea of the locking system but they're alot sharper then the montecs just my opinion.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/10 16:43:15 (permalink)
    this could be an endless debate. I am sure there is a person who has shot every manufacturers bh out there and has had success especially if massed produced.
    if you got a bh that works for you and your happy, then thats the best 1 for you.
    I never had any probs or issues with any NAP product out there, this yr shot the 2 blade bloodrunner 2, lets say that will give the rage a run for top 2 blade bh next yr.

    PS. Lee & Tiff shoot G5, just like Michael Waddel does. Those 3 will have alot in common with certain sponsors since Greg Ritz, the late owner of TC & now owner of Horton xbows, is all 3's manager.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/10 18:08:40 (permalink)
    bowhuntersteve is right its all what has worked for you there is still guys that wont switch from muzzys and guys like me and my buddy who have had awesome sucess with grim reaper
     
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/11 01:49:06 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: grimm reaper

    or you could watch all the high speed test on a website and that will show you also will tell you that rage is rated 4 out of 10 stars for penatration with a 60 pound bow with a 29 inch draw. but once again i had bad luck with them but i know a few guys and you guys on here that love them so if they work for you then of course your going to love them.



    I watched them.  None of them were done on live animals from a treestand(that's where I do my testing)so I'll reserve judgment on sheets of plywood, steel drums and deer shoulders shrouded in ballistic gelatin.

    All of these tests are more supposition than they are science.

    The hunter is ultimately in charge, not the broadhead.

    On a side note...I do wanna try these...

    ...out of curiousity. 
    Back to the lab...

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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/11 01:52:42 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: bowhuntnsteve

    this could be an endless debate. I am sure there is a person who has shot every manufacturers bh out there and has had success especially if massed produced.
    if you got a bh that works for you and your happy, then thats the best 1 for you.
    I never had any probs or issues with any NAP product out there, this yr shot the 2 blade bloodrunner 2, lets say that will give the rage a run for top 2 blade bh next yr.

    PS. Lee & Tiff shoot G5, just like Michael Waddel does. Those 3 will have alot in common with certain sponsors since Greg Ritz, the late owner of TC & now owner of Horton xbows, is all 3's manager.


    Didn't mean for a debate Steve.

    I'd like to see an answer to my question though.

    I have a feeling that those 3 will shoot the manufacturers products that pay the most.

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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/11 06:49:27 (permalink)
    I have a feeling that those 3 will shoot the manufacturers products that pay the most.

    Ironhed

    Your probably right but not just those three---That's why they are called pros--- they make their money by endorsing products and are expected to use them on their shows. It's no secret that the one who advertises the most normally has the most successful product. As for the new head it's actually a combination of two heads that were made a long time ago. The plain ring Bodkin wildcat from the 1950's filled up with hair, tissue, etc, and the semi barbed, wavy edge Bitzenberger from the 1930's was another exotic of the time that fell by the wayside. With the possible exception of the actual hardened tip there is nothing on the market today that isn't a newer verision of an old design. The simpler the better IMO even though I got caught up in the expandable craze which actually came on the market in the 1950's with a head called the Geronimo.
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    RE: BROADHEADS 2010/01/11 09:08:26 (permalink)
    Honestly I don't do tests to see if they open or not. Personally I stay away from Rage because I know too many that have shot them and they either broke, some said opened up prior to impact, etc. Only way I guess is to have it videoed down range to see just prior to impact then slow it down. I can fins out and see if I can get any video or youtube vids from NAP, they do testing as well on competitors products just like any company.
    Funny thing, when Rage came out, I asked my buddy about them and some "broken" questions and strength versus their mass production of units out on the market compared to failures and he didn't want to get into it. This guy is also a manager there too at Field Logic.
    These pro's will shoot what feeds their family. Thats business.
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