Well, you got your crossbow season

wHoo KaRes?

That sucks...The Blue Army will make it just like Ohio around here..

.....comeing to a stand near you!!!!!!ME!!!!!!!!

i live in town, thats no excuse not to shoot, invite the neighbors

archery sales went up along with muzzleloader and general resident and nonresident licience

ORIGINAL: carpin05

.....comeing to a stand near you!!!!!!ME!!!!!!!!

By all means, dont show up until a half hour after daylight, try to walk in on an actual deer trail, set up 30 yards from me, and smoke em if you got em!

ORIGINAL: SmMouth Seeker

ORIGINAL: Pork

wHoo KaRes?

I agree with you Pork, who cares? I've been archery hunting now for 20 years I hear the same BS over and over again. Back in the day when compound bows came out, the recurve shooters would harp on us because "Compound archers weren't real hunters because there's no challenge in it." What happened, the recurve hunters began to buy compound bows. Next, some archers didn't use sights while others did. I got harped on about that. New bows came out where you had to use a release, so again, we got harped on about that too from the tab shooters. Now crossbows are legal to use. I know I'll get it again. I don't really care to much for crossbows but I am considering buying one. I live in town. It's difficult to shoot my bow when there's no room to shoot or cars in the drive way. It all comes down to the reason why you want to hunt. For me, it's not the weapon I use but rather the skills I learn. When I get a deer, that's the most for me. Beating a deer's senses and out smarting him is the goal,not the choice of weapon. This is my opinion.

 
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!   Well said!
I'm a member of a 2,000 member sportsman club in Western Pa. I was the first hunter to walk onto the property with a crossbow permit. Man did I get the flack!!   Now, dozens of kids that never showed interest in deer hunting, are interested and excited to try archery hunting/ even muzzelloading! 
Any way, shape, or form, to get the youth of America in the hunting woods,,, WE WIN!!   TAKE A KID HUNTING/ FISHING.
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!     STOP THE WHINNING!

 I think we'll find out more when the harvest figures come out, I went back to a recurve after years of using a compound my personal choice, and the first buck I took with it gave me a lot of personal satisfaction, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'd rather not see them but in all honesty a lot of the guys who wanted to use them already had permits at least in my area, I worry more about the guy out there who wears out a ton of shoe leather scouting, one thing and probably the only thing I agreed with Alt on was the term alpha hunter, think there are some who put in the time and effort and have a higher success rate. I hope everyone no matter what there choice is limit themselves to ethical shots, I feel we owe that to the animal in the least.

My thoughts as of late is there will be a lot of people hunting with crossbows at first, then as those hunters realize the season is much tougher than the rifle season they are used to hunting, the numbers of crossguns in the woods will quickly decrease. Think of it this way, the people buying crossguns either don't have the time or the will to shoot a true bow and practice with it, or they would have bought a bow in the first place; therefore, the crossgunners won't have the time or the will to scout before season and will have limited success.
 
 
 
 

i agree  16506

ORIGINAL: DanesDad

ORIGINAL: carpin05

.....comeing to a stand near you!!!!!!ME!!!!!!!!

By all means, dont show up until a half hour after daylight, try to walk in on an actual deer trail, set up 30 yards from me, and smoke em if you got em!

 

im not saying everyone is like that but just take a walk up around them places around that time and bet you walk around the archery dept. shaken your head

Amen, dtorges.  It's new laws like this inclusion that make me more and more cynical of our game commission's commitment to act in the best interests of the state's wildlife.  The 'almighty dollar' is correct, and not much is going to come from increase license sales or participation...my opinion.  Full inclusion will bring more harm than good.  Some folks will use it wisely and ethically, while others will abuse it to it's fullest extent.  The extreme potential for abuse is what seems to escape our lawmakers.

ORIGINAL: dtorges@bowyers




We're all entitled to opinions, of course. Those based upon fact and historical accuracy carry the weight. Yours don't.

I have no problem with anyone hunting with crossbows, but I have a real problem with them sharing an archery season that was fought for in the 20's and 30's of the last century by men who wanted an opportunity, not an advantage, who wanted to refine their skills, to take to the woods with the understanding that it was the process and the experience that was important. Men who worked hard at their sport, who learned the bow and arrow intimately, and not through some over-the-counter dollar bill transaction.

Put crossbows where they belong. With muzzle loaders or in the rifle season. They don't belong in archery season because they are antithetical to everything the original archery seasons stood for.

And oh, you aren't beating a deer's senses, as you claim. You are buying into archery manufacturers' smoke sold to you at their profit so you can take shortcuts, so you don't have to work at learning how to outsmart a deer. So go buy some scent blocking suit to go with that crossbow, and make sure to put a scope on that crossbow, too. If you sit there long enough, I'm sure you can find other shortcuts, too, some that might even bring the deer to you. Beats hunting them with a bow and arrow, doesn't it?

Tell me, SmMouth Seeker, if it's not the weapon but the skills you learn, what archery skills do you hone with a crossbow? What is the reason you hunt? What effort do you put into archery hunting?

Long live the dollar bill and its ability to foster self-deception and to undermine sport.

 
 
....just thought this one deserved a quote.
 
 

dtorges,

It all comes down to the reason why you want to hunt. For me, it's not the weapon I use but rather the skills I learn. When I get a deer, that's the most for me. Beating a deer's senses and out smarting him is the goal,not the choice of weapon. This is my opinion.

(in reply to Pork)
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Reread this!!! Nowhere did I say the skill is in using the weapon. Keep this in mine, Webster's Universal College Dictionary defines skill as 1. The ability to do something well or experienced in work that requires skill 2. Special competence in performance; expertness; dexterity. 3. A craft, trade, or job requiring manual dexterity or special training.

Like I said, I've been archery hunting for over 20 years, do you think I may know something about deer hunting? I've always said, Archery hunter's are the true hunters in the woods. Anybody can buy a hunting license and shoot an animal with a gun. WOW, where's the skill in that? Not that I have to defend myself to you, but I will give an answer to your post.

I've put in my time. I shot what seems like hundreds of arrows and I've spent many hours in the woods and I read books in order to improve my skills. Yes, I do read. How many people know how to use topo maps to look for terrain traps,rent an airplane to scout out new woods, or know how to use a compass? I even own a gps and I use my computer to find info. Are you going harp on me about that too? Don't answer,I don't care.

You asked, "where's the skill in using a crossbow." Think about it, there isn't much, but things can still go wrong. Every Archery hunter knows what I'm talking about. I'm sure you do too. I'm guessing you have some experience shooting a bow? Come to think about it, where's the skill in using a bow? You're sooo worried about crossbow being uneithical, bows have advanced so far in technology, they too are almost like shooting a gun.

I also said,"I don't like compound bows but I'm considering buying one." That's true, I don't. Like I implied,the reward is in the kill, not the chosen weapon.

As for your question as to why I hunt, isn't it ovious? It's the kill. There's no denying that one. That's why you and me are out there. DUH!!! You can't tell me other wise. I don't use those scent covering garments or use cover scent, but some how,for some reason I still get'em.

One last thing, you oppose the idea of a compound season mixed into regular archery. Get over it, it's going to happen rather you like it or not. There's nothing you can do about it but accept it.

This is the last time I'm going to address this issue. What burns me the most is the fact you didn't join this site until you saw my post then you falsely accuse me in so many ways. The only thing you occomplished is what my post was originally about,"Archery hunters are always being harped on." I apologize to you in every way if I offend you or anyone else. I don't wish to be enemys with anyone. You went around this the wrong way with me.