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2007/07/04 12:56:15 (permalink)

Presque Isle Closing?

On todays paper front page is an article about the state budget and that several state parks (including Preque Isle) along with the Casino and such. First I'll like to thank the only vote one party citizens of this state for re-electing Rendell  second, what could this mean for the local fishing? Not many people are going to fish the city side (type of people down there and events going on that limit where you can fish).


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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/04 13:36:25 (permalink)
    Get on your bike and the whole PI will be yours.
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/04 13:47:20 (permalink)
    I read in the paper that 25,000 state worker would be furloughed??? by monday
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/04 18:30:55 (permalink)
    what? link to article?

    http://www.geocities.com/mpyingling22/northparklake.html
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/04 18:36:23 (permalink)
    Here is the full article:

    http://goerie.com/news

    State layoffs near
    Park, casino shutdowns loom as Rendell, GOP bicker over budget BY JOHN GUERRIERO
    john.guerriero@timesnews.com [more details]
    Published: July 04. 2007 6:00AM
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    State Sen. Jane Earll of Fairview Township said she would have called the state budget showdown political posturing a week ago.

    Now she calls it "a serious stalemate" that threatens to shut down the state's new casino industry, close the peninsula and 116 other state parks, and darken the Erie Maritime Museum.

    The proposed layoffs of so-called nonessential employees, which would trigger the closings, could come as early as Monday -- at the height of the summer tourist season.

    "It's very dangerous and irresponsible and it doesn't have to happen," said Earll, R-49th Dist., during a news conference in her Erie district office Tuesday.

    While critical functions of state government would continue, Gov. Ed Rendell's administration has moved ahead with plans to shut down other services and lay off as many as 40,000 state workers as early as Monday.

    Chat About The State Budget On the GoErie Forum: http://forums.goerie.com/
    The 2007-08 fiscal year started July 1 without a new budget.

    Driver licensing offices also would close, though state liquor stores and the state lottery still would operate because the salaries of those employees are paid from their respective revenues, said Chuck Ardo, Gov. Ed Rendell's spokesman.

    Earll blamed Rendell for what she called his unwillingness to negotiate on a $27 billion budget to which he has tied his priorities, including massive new funding for highways, mass transit and alternative energy.

    Earll said the budget should be voted on separately, and the Legislature and the governor could continue to work on Rendell's priorities.

    One priority that has run into a roadblock is Rendell's proposed electricity tax, which would cost homeowners an average of $5.40 annually and businesses up to $10,000 per year. But Earll said "no one believes" the $5.40 amount is credible.


    The taxes would pay the annual debt on a proposed $850 million bond issue that would be used to invest in high-risk, startup alternative-energy companies, Earll said. The senator said she's opposed to floating an $850 million bond issue without a better understanding of how the money would be used.

    Earll said the governor is using the budget to try to get that and other initiatives through the Republican-controlled Senate. Democrats hold a majority in the state House.

    Top Senate Republicans and Rendell, a Democrat, have been pointing fingers at each other over the budget impasse.

    "First of all, the governor's agenda items are all budget-related. They all affect the state budget in some way or another," Ardo said.

    "The claim that he is trying to use the budget as leverage is simply inaccurate," he said.


    "I would say that since the governor and the House are both here (in Harrisburg) and at work and the Senate has taken time off, despite the budget crisis, that should tell everyone where the blame lies," Ardo said.

    But Earll said there are two sides of the story, saying it's not the Senate Republican leaders who are holding up the budget.

    Senators left the Capitol on Saturday evening, but a few leaders returned Tuesday and the rest are expected back in Harrisburg on Thursday. Earll plans to make the trip today.

    While the lawmakers are returning to work, the nonessential employees started getting their furlough notices.

    Presque Isle State Park, the state's busiest with nearly 3.5 million visitors annually, would have to shut its front gate, and the exhibits at the Tom Ridge Environmental Center would close too, said Chris Novak, spokeswoman for the state Department of Conservation and Natural Resources.


    Other state parks that would close are Erie Bluffs State Park in western Erie County and Pymatuning State Park in Crawford County.

    The Erie Maritime Museum, home of the U.S. Brig Niagara, would be among 25 historic sites and museums that would close across the state, said Jane Crawford, spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission.

    And Presque Isle Downs & Casino, along with the other four racetrack casinos that have opened in Pennsylvania since November, would be forced to close as well.

    State Revenue Department employees, considered non-essential, wouldn't be available to monitor the state's take of the daily gambling money.

    Ted Arneault, the chief executive of MTR Gaming Group Inc., the Erie casino's parent company, said the casinos couldn't do anything about the state budget stalemate. But Arneault said Presque Isle Downs, which employs about 750 people, and the other casinos would have to lay off employees.


    John Oliver, president of the Erie Area Convention and Visitors Bureau, said that the peninsula is the signature summertime tourist draw. A closed park could cause some visitors to change their vacation plans, he said.

    "And both the casino and the Maritime Museum are important parts of our overall tourism product," he said.

    Hotels, restaurants and other businesses that rely on outside visitors also would feel the sting of the shutdowns, Oliver said. But he is keeping his fingers crossed.

    "The first thing I do in the morning is to check online to see if a budget's been passed," he said.

    And Earll, despite her pessimism about a quick budget resolution, said she hopes the two sides could agree.


    "It's a difficult state of affairs right now," she said.

    "But things change. Things change in a heartbeat down there," she said.

    JOHN GUERRIERO can be reached at 870-1690 or by e-mail.
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/04 23:30:17 (permalink)
    I think I'm gonna be sick.

    Let's change laws and introduce a new money-making enterprise to the state, then shut it down when it shows it can work. (casinos) 

    No wonder new and expanding businesses don't come around PA much.  I know I'd be looking elsewhere with messes like these popping up every few years.

    You've really got to love how a city like Erie lets it's major manufacturing skip out of town only to be replaced by expanded tourism-driven businesses.  Opps!  I guess we'll have to bank on the steelhead fishery after all.  Oh, that's right, that's tetering on the brink of collapsing as well.  What's a lake town gonna do?
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 06:47:14 (permalink)
     
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 17:53:33 (permalink)
    This state and the major cities will never ever get on top while everyone keeps voting for Democrats! Not that Ridge was much better. But Rendell???? He’s nothing more than a mobster from Philly. Look at Pittsburgh, that city has been in the dumpster for years. Run by the Democrats that keep giving away my tax money to people that don’t deserve it!
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 18:02:27 (permalink)
    Interesting. The house, and senate are responsible for passing a budget. The Republican contolled senate chose to go on recess, without having done so. But it's all Rendell's fault?

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 21:49:56 (permalink)
    Spoon, I believe the Governor plays a small part in the state budget

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 22:04:01 (permalink)
    He does, but then again, HE remained on the job.

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 22:18:08 (permalink)
    Gee, what should it be new funding for highways, mass transit and alternative energy, or race tracks and casinos?   

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 22:49:24 (permalink)
    I wouldn't be surprised if it was fast Eddie's plan all along to force a furlough for state workers to save some money. He has not been exactly friendly to the state workers.

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 22:54:07 (permalink)
    It worked in NJ.
    Let the State come to a Stop.

    There is a great deal of fat to cut and redistrabute away from Mr. R's friends and relatives.
     
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    post edited by chrisrowboat - 2007/07/05 22:57:05
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 23:09:57 (permalink)
    If it happens here it will set a disturbing precedent.
     
    Can't balance the budget, well we'll just fu(k the little guy and take it out of their pocket. Meanwhile back at the mansion fast Eddie sleeps on an $8000.00 dollar mattress that we paid for...
     
    I'm not saying this impasse is all his fault, like spoon said he is still there, I'm just not a fan for many reasons.
     
    I wonder if the Governors driver will get furloughed, my God the humanity!~!!!!

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/05 23:34:31 (permalink)
    Ya and now they want to distroy 12,000 more acres of the anf.

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 01:32:16 (permalink)
    hmmm where is that budget oh yea I know all the state reps need over 200 dollars a nite to eat dinner while at meetings. Thats where the budget is.... oh wheres my 97 dollars a year privileged to work tax going to?  When I was working for the State hospital our union felt that we shouldnt vote for rendell well after he found that out anywhere our union had state workers it seemed those places were down sized faster. Hes a crook and a fat faulk.  What is the whole state to do now file bankruptcy. I mean since hes been in office he put his own hope town of philly in debt but the idiots still vote for him. 

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 08:37:33 (permalink)
    I mean since hes been in office he put his own hope town of philly in debt but the idiots still vote for him.


    This is why I don't understand why he was elected in the first place. Philly was having problems when he was mayor so lets put him in charge of an entire state.

    I don't mean to turn this political (even though in the end it is) but the people of PA have proven that all someone needs is the letter D next to their name to win an election (Tom Ridge is the exception because he had lots of friends. Man I wish we had him back).
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 08:41:58 (permalink)
    Ridge left the state in financial crises. One of the reasons that Rendell has had to take some unpopular steps.

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 08:49:32 (permalink)
    One of the reasions Ridge gave for leaving his post at Homeland Security, was that he felt he couldn't afford to send his kids to college on his $190,000+ salary. Tells you a little about his fiscal prowess, and his relation to the common man.

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 09:08:34 (permalink)
    I can't see how people think that being a democrat instantly wins an election in PA.  Most people that vote for the Govenor position, vote for the US Senate positions.  Most of which vote either democrat or republican.  There are very little voters that actually research.  Even if you do research, how likely are your sources to be swayed?  You pretty much need to be a Harrisburg reporter with inside access or watch C-Span religiously to actually follow everything.  Other than that, you see some key votes, but don't know if they voted against your issue, becuase they supported the issue in a view that you would have supported even more than what was voted on, ect.  If the case was, you must be a democrat, then our Senators would both be democrats.  It is name recognition, plain and simple.  If you are a mayor of a city, that 1/2 of the registered voters in the state, live within 100 miles of, your name is going to be rather recognizable.
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 10:34:04 (permalink)
    First, I did not like Ridge to much (more then Rendell and I don't pin the state money issues soley on him since the whole country economy was not doing good but he never ****ed me off has much has Rendell does and Rendell left Philly a big mess so I don't understand how he is going to help PA), I just used him has an example. Second, if you don't think being a democrate does not instantly win PA election, go back and look over past election results. More true with the past governer election.

    Heres and update article, it appears Rendell and his henchmen can't come to the meetings. The article is from goerie.com under news.



    No budget progress

    BY JOHN GUERRIERO
    john.guerriero@timesnews.com [more details]


    Published: July 06. 2007 6:00AM


    Erie native Belle Anderson likes what she sees when she returns to her hometown each summer -- new and proven attractions as the region recasts itself as a bigger tourism draw.

    But a state budget stalemate could temporarily close some of those attractions, including Presque Isle State Park, Pymatuning State Park in Crawford County, the Erie Maritime Museum and the new Presque Isle Downs & Casino.

    "I'd hate to see it all go away again," said Anderson, 64, who visited the year-old Tom Ridge Environmental Center for the first time with her husband, Fred Anderson, 70.

    The exhibits at the Ridge Center, as part of the park, would be among the attractions that could close Monday if 26,000 so-called nonessential state employees are laid off in a budget battle in Harrisburg that would affect tourism and services in Erie, Crawford County and the rest of the state.

    "I think that would be very, very bad," said Belle Anderson, who lives most of the year in Charleston, S.C. The Andersons live at a Harborcreek Township mobile-home park in the summer.

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    Chat about the State Budget: http://forums.goerie.com/

    -- Closing Threatened

    Among the regional attractions and services that could close:

    -- Parks

    # Presque Isle State Park, including the Tom Ridge Environmental Center, and Erie Bluffs State Park in Erie County.

    # Pymatuning State Park in Crawford County.

    # Cook Forest State Park, Clarion, Jefferson and Forest counties.

    -- Casino

    # Presque Isle Downs & Casino, Summit Township.

    -- Museums

    # Erie Maritime Museum, home of the U.S. Brig Niagara, Erie.

    # Drake Well Museum, Titusville, Venango County.

    -- Driver services

    # Driver's license centers in Erie and Crawford counties.

    Pittsburgh resident Gail Duke, 50, visiting Erie this week with her husband, William Duke, said she would hate to see Presque Isle close to the public. The front gate would swing shut, and salaried park rangers -- who would keep working during the shutdown -- would ask people who entered the park to leave.

    "It would turn a lot of people away from vacationing" in Erie, said Gail Duke, as she and her husband relaxed at Barracks Beach.

    While Presque Isle visitors relaxed, the budget stalemate raised political tensions in the state capital as Gov. Ed Rendell, a Democrat, and Senate Republicans continued to blame each other for the impasse.

    There was a positive note, however. House and Senate legislative leaders held budget talks Thursday, though neither Rendell nor members of his staff attended, said state Sen. Jane Earll of Fairview Township, R-49th Dist.

    Legislative sessions are scheduled through Saturday to avert a possible partial shutdown of government operations.


    Earll, the chairwoman of the Senate Community, Economic & Recreational Development Committee, grew frustrated with the administration after its officials declined an invitation to testify before her panel Thursday.

    The panel reconvened later to issue subpoenas for Revenue Secretary Thomas Wolf and Secretary of Administration Joseph Martz to testify today.

    "The administration is going to close down operations around the commonwealth, and they won't even come down to disclose their plan of action. It's pathetic," Earll said.

    Earll wants to ask the officials why they are not working on a way to keep all government services running during continued budget talks. "It's our fundamental responsibility to keep government open and operating," she said.

    Chuck Ardo, the governor's spokesman, said that state lawyers are reviewing the subpoenas and will prepare a response to them.


    "From our point of view, the subpoenas are an example of politics as usual, at its worst. These secretaries have been and continue to work on budget-related issues and shouldn't have to be distracted from helping to find a solution to the budget crisis," Ardo said.

    As for the governor and his staff being involved in talks, Ardo said that would happen when the Legislature develops a budget representing the interests of both the Democratic-controlled House and the Republican-controlled Senate.

    The Senate approved a $27 billion spending plan by a 49-1 vote on June 20.

    But Rendell and House Democrats support the governor's $27.3 billion budget.

    The real stumbling block is that Senate Republicans and Rendell disagree over tying his second-term legislative priorities into the budget package.


    One of the biggest unresolved issues is a proposed energy plan, which relies on an annual $5.40 surcharge on residential customers' electric bills. Earll said she fears the surcharge would be higher. The projected average annual costs for commercial customers would be $425 and about $10,000 for industrial customers.

    The fees would be used to pay the annual debt on a proposed $850 million bond issue that Earll said would be used to invest in high-risk startup alternative energy companies. Earll said she's opposed to floating the bond issue without a better understanding of how the money would be used.

    Earll said the budget should be adopted separately from Rendell's initiatives, but Ardo has said they are intertwined.

    Even if the dispute isn't resolved by Monday, Earll said there's no reason for the state's five casinos, including Presque Isle Downs & Casino, to close.

    Earll said the state should keep eight Revenue Department workers on the job during the budget talks. Those employees staff the Revenue Department's computer that monitors cash flow through each of the state's slot machines and makes sure the state gets its share.


    The Rendell administration deems those workers as nonessential, though the casinos would have to close without them and they could take days, if not weeks, to reopen as each machine is reinspected.

    Ardo said the solution to keeping the slots parlors open is not finding a way to keep a few Revenue Department employees working. He said it's in passing a responsible budget that keeps all employees threatened with layoffs on the job.

    Earlier Thursday, state Rep. Flo Fabrizio, of Erie, D-2nd Dist., sounded a more optimistic tone that the budget could be resolved. He said an agreement to vote on the energy package at a specific later date -- apart from the budget vote -- could move the stalled talks.

    "Overall, I'm still relatively optimistic that we'll have this thing resolved in the next couple of days," he said.

    JOHN GUERRIERO can be reached at 870-1690 or by e-mail.
    post edited by FishingMike - 2007/07/06 11:13:31
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 10:48:49 (permalink)
    He was re-elected because of straight-ticket democratic voters who dont even pay attention to who they are voting for, and they just think that if they vote democrat then the unions will stay strong and everything will be fine.
     
     
     
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    I mean since hes been in office he put his own hope town of philly in debt but the idiots still vote for him.


    This is why I don't understand why he was elected in the first place. Philly was having problems when he was mayor so lets put him in charge of an entire state.

    I don't mean to turn this political (even though in the end it is) but the people of PA have proven that all someone needs is the letter D next to their name to win an election (Tom Ridge is the exception because he had lots of friends. Man I wish we had him back).
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 11:47:03 (permalink)
    will never happen. just blowing smoke as usual...
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 12:19:51 (permalink)
    Anybody know the number to call to get the property tax relief we were told about?  My school tax bill came and it did not go down!   Where oh where is my property tax relief?  
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 12:22:28 (permalink)
    http://www.papropertytaxrelief.com/propertytaxes/site/default.asp
     
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    Anybody know the number to call to get the property tax relief we were told about?  My school tax bill came and it did not go down!   Where oh where is my property tax relief?  

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/06 14:31:32 (permalink)
    Well, you've heard endlessly about the issue from the Republican legislators who took a holiday, why not read what the Govenor has to say?
     
    “Hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians are without health insurance, roads and bridges are crumbling, public transit services are being cut and medical research facilities are being lured by other states,” Governor Rendell said. “And, the lack of a clear energy strategy is driving up our demand for foreign oil and, consequently, gas prices.
     
    “The legislature has had nearly 150 days to study and improve the proposals I laid out in February to address these issues that are critical to our economic future,” Governor Rendell said. “The House is ready to meet these challenges but, since the Senate left town rather than join the House at the negotiating table, we are forced to shut down large portions of state government services, idling nearly 25,000 valued workers. My administration was well prepared for this unfortunate circumstance, but I regret that we’ve reached the point where furlough notifications are necessary. We are issuing the furlough notices now so our workers and residents can properly prepare.
     â€œIt is unconscionable that our dedicated employees will receive letters telling them to stay home next week, while over the weekend, Senators gave up efforts to reach a compromise and went home,” the Governor said. “There are thousands of state workers who are counting on that income to pay bills and support their local economy. Legislative inaction could devastate family budgets across the state.” Following the guidelines of the Federal Fair Labor Standards Act and commonwealth case law, nearly 25,000 employees will be notified between Tuesday and Thursday that if a budget is not signed they should not report to work on July 9. The furloughs will effectively shut down the state’s five casinos and interrupt services including, but not limited to, drivers license centers, state parks, historic sites, museums, welcome centers on interstate highways, conservation programs, civil service testing, issuance of permits by PennDOT and environmental protection and fire academy training for first responders.  â€œAll of our state workers are essential to provide quality services to our residents,” Governor Rendell said. “The valued employees who will be furloughed are those we are forced by federal law to classify as non-critical.”  Nearly 52,000 employees will continue to work and be paid as they provide services — such as state police, corrections, emergency management and public welfare assistance offices — that are classified as essential to the health, safety and welfare of residents.  Nearly 1,700 employees not covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act, such as Governor Rendell and his cabinet, would continue to work but not be paid until a budget is enacted. Another 12,400 employees would continue to work and be paid because they work in programs — such as the Game Commission, Lottery and the Liquor Control Board — where funding is not disrupted by a budget impasse.

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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/08 01:52:27 (permalink)
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    On todays paper front page is an article about the state budget and that several state parks (including Preque Isle) along with the Casino and such. First I'll like to thank the only vote one party citizens of this state for re-electing Rendell  second, what could this mean for the local fishing? Not many people are going to fish the city side (type of people down there and events going on that limit where you can fish).

     
    No thank you for voting GW Bush back in.   Great job.   What were you thinking.


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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/08 06:32:39 (permalink)
    So wonderful to see someone try to turn this into a Bush thread.

    The budget is still not signed, Rendell is still threating with layoffs if the GOP does not agree to his energy plan (which seems to be the main hold up). GOP wants more studying of his plan (which I agree) but Rendell is trying to force this on GOP and in turn the people of PA without knowing much about the plan.

    Do you're fishing at Presque Isle today.
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    RE: Presque Isle Closing? 2007/07/08 08:11:31 (permalink)
    pappy you are right on
     to bad others can't see the nothing but what they want to see.
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