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2009/01/06 13:46:41 (permalink)

bugger hackle

i'm looking to tie up tons of buggers this winter.  what is the best/cheapest/effective/easy to use type of hackle to get when stocking up to do a ton of buggers?
 
i imagine i'll use mostly black or dark.
 
i have some old stuff, it it all matted down and messed up though.
 
 
thankssssss
 
 

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    Cold
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 13:59:54 (permalink)
    Get the really cheap stuff with the really long fibers.  It's like 5-7 bucks/pack and comes in a million colors.  Alternately, I've tied a few using only thread and marabou, winding it around the shank for a body, and picking out tufts in place of hackle.  It doesnt look quite as nice, but its fast and it catches fish.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 15:03:34 (permalink)
    I use rooster saddles for the commone, black, white, olives. 
     
    http://www.fishusa.com/Rooster-Saddle-Patches-Capes_p.html?i=052F4BF5539E481E923329A78A2DA79A
     
    $20 each and way more flies than you can get out of 10 bags of strung chinese stuff.  Keough also makes saddles and they are sold in Pittsburgh at Gander Mtn. and S. Warehouse, etc.
     
    For odd ball colors, I buy strung saddle hackles by the bag, but half of it is usually unusable.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 15:09:49 (permalink)
    they sell bugger saddles at the sportsmans warehouse for like 7 bucks this isn't the strung hackle

    I didn't say these are the ten suggestions
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 15:20:23 (permalink)
    thanks for the imput so far fellas. 
     
    i'm going to try a bunch of different styles to tie them, including the syle the Cold does em.  sounds quick and easy. 

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 16:27:13 (permalink)
    Put a bead head on some of 'em, and don't be afraid to use some flashabou in the tail to give it a little extra flash.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 16:44:36 (permalink)
    yup.  and a little lead in the body. 

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 16:59:01 (permalink)
    Remember that whatever style you tie, to tie at least 3 in a highly visible color, like white.  Different styles will behave slightly differently in the water, and it helps to be able to see how that is when you start to use one.

    I've also tied buggers with a body consisting of a hackle wound around a body of glass beads.  They come in a bunch of colors and finishes, just keep in mind when you buy them (at any craft store), that you have to put a hook bend through them.  Olive tail, and purple-green pearlescent beads, with olive hackle caught my first trout on a fly, and a tiger trout at that!
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 17:25:08 (permalink)
    Nice. Good idea too. Will have to try that.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 17:36:58 (permalink)
    raz try tying in a size 14 treble on a piece of fire line kind of articulate style makes a great short strike rig for stockies in the lakes

    I didn't say these are the ten suggestions
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 17:41:33 (permalink)
    Besides palmering the hackle up through the body try some with the hackle wound at the head behind the eye. Both styles work.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 17:44:14 (permalink)
    Something I'm planning on trying too are woven buggers.  Slightly smaller chenille, a little flash woven into the body...should make a great minnow imitation, with white on the bottom and black, green, or blue up top!
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 18:48:55 (permalink)
    The hackle should not be your only concern for "tons of buggers".  Not sure how many buggers are in a ton, but how many dozen do you plan on tying?  A few years ago I tied over 150 dozen buggers.  For this many flies you will need to buy chenile by the skein and not by the card.  For the hackle the only way to go is to buy saddles.  The packs of strung hackle will have a lot of waste and you will be restricted to the sizes availiable in the packs.  You will also have to buy hooks by the hundred or thousand depending on how many you want to tie.  Don't forget, you still need to look at the marabou for tailing.
     
    I think your best bet is to sit down and plan how many buggers you are actually gong to tie and then do the math with the matrials

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 19:08:15 (permalink)
    While on the subject of wooly buggers, what type of hook is best. I use steamer hooks but have trouble putting on bead heads. If this requires another post i'll move it. Thanks.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 19:11:14 (permalink)
    I've been using Mustad 79580s (i think thats the number) ever since I started, never had a problem.  Try a different size bead...or hook, I guess.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/06 22:16:23 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: whatsajob614

    Put a bead head on some of 'em, and don't be afraid to use some flashabou in the tail to give it a little extra flash.


    in addition, make sure you tie your fly onto a hook
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/07 08:47:06 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Clancie

    While on the subject of wooly buggers, what type of hook is best. I use steamer hooks but have trouble putting on bead heads. If this requires another post i'll move it. Thanks.

     
    mustad 9672. make the marabou tail as long as the hookshank plus bend. i found if you use too long of a streamer hook the marabou will twist around the extended hook and the marabou won't flow as nice. ~dt

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/07 08:57:04 (permalink)
    Just like greenweenie was saying make a plan on how much you really are going to tie. I found the best way to get materials is on ebay i can get 400 hooks for 35.00 and a hackle lot to for great prrice too. I also buy my bead at craft stores i can get 200 beads for 1.75 and it better than paying 5.00 for 25

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/07 08:57:51 (permalink)
    sorry my typing is horrible

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/07 09:32:08 (permalink)
    yes i plan on tying 2,000 pounds of Buggers.  
     
     i'm gonna need a bigger vice.

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/07 09:37:16 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Green Weenie

    The hackle should not be your only concern for "tons of buggers".  Not sure how many buggers are in a ton, but how many dozen do you plan on tying? 


    Let's say he's doing #8 buggers, weighted, at about 1/2 oz. each.  16 oz in a pound, 2,000 lbs in a ton, so that's 64,000 buggers per ton.  If'n he's doing multiple tons, he's probably not doing more than 3 tons, so that'd be 288,000 buggers or 24,000 dozen.

    Good luck Raz!  You're going to be busy.

    One thing I do on my buggers #10 and smaller is skip the chenille.  I tie in the marabou tail, then the hackle, not trimming the butt end of the marabou.  After the hackle is secured, give the butt end a good twist, it ends up "rope like", and wind it forward instead of chenille.  It breaths nice in the water, is durable, and faster to tie than the extra step of adding chenille.


    post edited by D-nymph - 2009/01/07 09:38:07
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/07 10:54:23 (permalink)
    Anyone use the pseudo hackle from Cabela's? I'm wondering if it works well for buggers or not?

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/07 12:51:36 (permalink)
    Let's say he's doing #8 buggers, weighted, at about 1/2 oz. each.  16 oz in a pound, 2,000 lbs in a ton, so that's 64,000 buggers per ton.  If'n he's doing multiple tons, he's probably not doing more than 3 tons, so that'd be 288,000 buggers or 24,000 dozen.
     
     
    just think if he uses lead for weight he won't be able to use all those buggers in lead free states!

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/14 10:12:33 (permalink)
    Since we're on the subject...and this weekend looks like beautiful tying weather...I grabbed 100 hooks plus expanded my color palate for buggers yesterday.  What are some things you guys use to spice up your buggers?  I'm going to try my idea for a woven bugger, with flash and maybe a hackle tail to suggest a minnow...

    Any other bright ideas?
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/14 10:23:11 (permalink)
    I tried black diamond braid, as used for crystal meth, instead of chenille yesterday. It seems to have worked great to give it a little flash in the body. Haven't used it yet, but I am chomping at the bit right now. It should work fine.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/14 10:25:35 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Cold

    Since we're on the subject...and this weekend looks like beautiful tying weather...I grabbed 100 hooks plus expanded my color palate for buggers yesterday.  What are some things you guys use to spice up your buggers?  I'm going to try my idea for a woven bugger, with flash and maybe a hackle tail to suggest a minnow...

    Any other bright ideas?


     
    from above.
     
    One thing I do on my buggers #10 and smaller is skip the chenille.  I tie in the marabou tail, then the hackle, not trimming the butt end of the marabou.  After the hackle is secured, give the butt end of the marabou a good twist, it ends up "rope like", and wind it forward instead of chenille.  It breaths nice in the water, is durable, and faster to tie than the extra step of adding chenille.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/01/14 10:41:00 (permalink)
    From WAY above:

    Alternately, I've tied a few using only thread and marabou, winding it around the shank for a body, and picking out tufts in place of hackle.  It doesnt look quite as nice, but its fast and it catches fish.


    So I'm guessing yours probably look very similar to the ones I tie like that.  Mine might be bushier, yours probably hold up much better, both catch fish, I'm sure.
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/02/04 21:00:31 (permalink)
    OK ... lemme see if I got this straight...  thats 288,000 buggers....
    If he gets REALLY good at tying them and can finish one in 5 min's
    Working 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week. . .
    He can tie 144 per day or 1008 per week
    or 52,416 a year...  Phew that will take approx. 5.5 Years.... 
     
    He'll have time to fish the "perfect" Wooly Bugger in the year 2014
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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/02/04 21:08:39 (permalink)
    ah nevermind. i found them for $4 a dozen.

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    RE: bugger hackle 2009/02/04 21:22:32 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Cold

    Since we're on the subject...and this weekend looks like beautiful tying weather...I grabbed 100 hooks plus expanded my color palate for buggers yesterday.  What are some things you guys use to spice up your buggers?  I'm going to try my idea for a woven bugger, with flash and maybe a hackle tail to suggest a minnow...

    Any other bright ideas?



    Stolen from KJH (I think)..

    When your tieing in everything at the tail tie in maybe 10-15 2-3 inch stands of flashabou. Right after you wrap and tie in the chenille, before tying in the hackle, I like to tie in flashabou on both sides of the bugger. Very noticable when looking sideways at the fly. Even tie on top if you want..
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