ORIGINAL: rollcaster




Iornhed, what about all the young kids (12-15) that have noone. I am sure there are lots of kids that age that dont have anyone to pay for a license and like to fish. Mabey by theirself with an old pole someone gave him. Are you going to pay for his youth license? I guess he shouldn't fish. I bet you are the type of person that would fine him. A youth license is bullsh*t.

Came across a little harsh myself Cold at times and hope there aren't any hard feelings. 

No worries, man.  It's frustrating when you feel you're making a valid point, and it isnt received as you'd hoped.  The part that counts is not letting it get to you.

As far as the child license fee, I'm not so much opposed to the fee itself as I am against the idea of the fee.  I'm not so stingy that it'd keep me from taking a kid fishing, in fact, my new years resolution (among others) is to introduce a kid to the sport, but if that fee keeps even one kid from fishing, its not worth it, IMHO.

In Michigan they have a 2$ voluntary youth license donation. IMO most true sportsman would donate the 2$ for a kid to fish. I am not sure where the $$ goes but it was something I noticed when I was getting my MI license online.

I bought my Georgia license and trout stamp the other day...... $14.00 for annual resident. (And that includes salt-water fishing)

The state of GA has great "native" trout fishing.  They don't waste as much of your money putting a bunch of pelletheads in drainage ditches...  They stock some, but nothing like PA 

Tell me why an in-state PA license w/ trout stamp, etc. is $37 and an in-state NY is $19?  NY stocks a bunch of pelletheads, too....

Non-resident NY is virtually the same price as a resident PA ($40 vs. $37)

If you lived in NY as a non-angler, you'd be whining that YOUR tax monies are being "wasted" on something you don't benefit from.

Seems like YOU blame the government for all your "misfortune". I might find fault IF I felt I was being "screwed over", I dON'T. I put on average at least 200 day a year on SOME water, and don't even begin to TOUCH all the opportunities available to me in Penna.
 
You suggest using PF&BC monies to restore "native" fisheries. But at the same time, you are of the drill now drill here, there, everywhere mentality. You would have the evil government "get out of the way" and let the oil/gas companies drill anywhere they want, and the coal companies mine, and strip every lump of coal ( and burn it all ). How will that fit into your "restoration" program. Don't forget to cut all the timber as well.

You're fiddling while Rome burns.  If you don't understand that the government, at all levels, constantly screws you over, then you just can't be helped.  I pity you.  That is unless you draw your pay from the government, then you are part of the problem and I can then understand why you want to continue your racket.  That would make you immoral and corrupt, only.  Not stupid.
 
And as for what you said about my environmental views, I have never said anything of the kind.  You must have me confused with someone else.

Yeah, I really took it it in the arse when they created Moraine state park. I just hate having to catch all those Stripers, Walleye, and Channels.
 
Actually I DO kinda hate catching the channels.
 
There are plenty of faults with government at all levels. But not so much that I am blind to it's benefits as well. The grass not always greener on the other side, some times it's weeds.

I'm sure the landowners who were forced to "sell" their land think Lake Arthur was a great idea...  Thats ok, though.  It benefits you, so thats all that matters. 

"I'm sure the landowners who were forced to "sell" their land think Lake Arthur was a great idea..."
 
And the lanowners who will not be allowed to "develope" THEIR land as they choose to preserve or restore your "native fisheries? How will they feel?
 
Smitty, this IS largely about licenses. Cowboy SOMEHOW fels cheated in his purchase, I feel it's a bargain. Rather than look at what's missing, I prefer to look at all that is there.
 
 
Penna. has it's faults, no more, or less than any other state ( if you take an informed, and objective look ), but it also has many virtues. I've traveled every state in the union, and there are few I would prefer to live in. And THAT prefernce relates to to a singular "priority", rather than OVERALL favorability.

But seriously the $5 youth license doesn't exist it was an idea.  No reason to slit each others throats over an idea.

Does anyone remember the PFBC's youth prgram PLAY? Remember when you had to pay for it? I think it was like $2 a year, now its free. I paid for it myself until I hit the age limit and was more than happy to do so, think it was my first subscription to anything. When I was paying it was during the 80's, and $2 was more than what $5 is now. $2 didn't make or break a kid then, nor will $5 now. The benifits of the license far outweigh those of PLAY (though not dismissing it at all.)
 
I don't think its been mentioned here yet, but the last I knew the feds would match the $5 license as they do to an extent with all of our adult licenses. The way I understand it, the federal grants we all benifit from are a result in part of how many license and boat registrations are sold. This matching money would go to furthur getting the youth who may not have the oppritunity, interested in our sport. Thus creating another license buyer for the future which in-turns replaces the ones we lose every-year.  
 
Lets face it, those of us posting on these boards, who have or will have kids, willl probably get they're children into the sport regardless of a youth license. The programs this will create, probably won't be of much direct benifit to people here. It will benifit those who don't have a neighbor, parent, uncle, etc... that will introduce them to the sport. That is what they call "Price-Less.)
 
Ya Spoon, I know its largly been about the license, but you know how things tend to stray sometimes rather quickly and ruin a good debate.
 
Smitty 

GA has some killer mountain trout streams. I saw a flyfishing show a couple years back on the tube. Can't remember the name of the stream. If it comes to me I'll post it.