Serious question

If you owned a section, or access to, a popular steelie stream, how much would you or wouldn't you tolerate other fishermen using or misusing the land; therefore causing you to shut it down. 

On Erie tribs in PA, I'd post it as "Fishing with written permission only" right off the bat.  Because I know it would only be a matter of time before some idiots come in there and ruin it for everybody.  I might have a different approach if it were a stream that I knew had a lot less pressure day to day.
 
I guess I should state the reasoning behind my answer before any bashing persists.  First off, I'd like to meet the people who are on my property and know who they are and when they are on the property.  I have three children and I feel it best for their safety and protection.  Finally, I would do this because I too am a fisherman and would like to fish on my own property without having it look like Trout Run and have to fight for a spot in my own back yard.

I would open it to anyone and everyone.  Then I would dress in full camo and sit in a tree stand with some binocs, looking for who is littering, then I would lay into them.

I would post it "Flyfishing only". Regs areas are far cleaner than open water around the state.
But at the same time, with the easement money the PFBC is giving to some of these landowners, maybe I wouldnt mind going down by the creek for some litter patrol.

Start off open to all, if there become problems, then I go with "fishing only with permission" like shutupnfish said.  I think that way best accomplishes the goal of keeping the land clean without saying "flyfishing only" or posting it to all.

I would make it open to fathers and there kids only fish. 12 and under. I have taken my kid to places on Elk and people have no respect at all ..They are dropping F bombs and talking about things my 9 year old does not need to hear. Its rediculous.
 
 

this question came up with 2 of my boss'.  They both own property on upper Walnut way past Old Sterritania.  They live in the housing development and it is posted.  I have talked to them about fishing there since BassAckwards and I fished there last year and didn't realize it was posted.  Most of the houses in the dev. don't like ppl fishing b/c of the trash some of us leave behind, but in they will give permission to those they know.  I have been granted permission to fish there and anyone that is with me.  But if it was my land, I would have to agree with the most of you, leave it open to start and if things got bad, just shut it down to permission only.  But first, I would build a little shelter with a heater and snacks/coffee for us that fish throughout the winter and make sure my fellow fishermen/women would be feed and kept warm...lol

First and foremost I wish I was fortunate enough to OWN a piece of property along a stream that had fish in it, let alone steelhead. Don't really know for sure how I would go about keeping people from either fishing it, or keeping them out. On one hand I would enjoy seeing people use the resource to catch fish and have fun, but on the other hand I know that sooner or later the jerks of the world would show up and for whatever reason would probably convince me to post the property, "Fishing only by permission of the owner." Sad fact of life that the misdeeds of a few in more cases than enough ruin it for all.

I've seen more and more signs saying end of public fishing. Fish with land owners permission only . Please do not trespass. Not being from the area how do you find out who the land owner is. I am assuming which you should never do, that if you ask permission and the land owner wants to they will let you fish on their property. 

That's a good question, Loopy. I would probably post it that you can fish with written permission only. That way you can sort of screen who will be fishing, and hopefully weed out most of the bad eggs. And of course, it would be nice to know you can always get to fish there yourself and not have to fight any real big crowds.

I say post the sucker, then allow with written permission only. I would want to know who was on my property and when.   

I own 2000' of the North branch of Slippery Rock creek which is a stocked trout stream and my property is posted, BUT I had the fish commission post it for approved trout waters and I remove the signs for fisherman. The only reason the property is posted is due to 2 seperate incidents where hunters highly upset me! first incident: I was in a tree and a young kid was in a tree on a climber archery hunting when I alerted 2 bird hunters with a dog we were there so they didn't shoot our way and I was told **** you! As I told them they were on my property and I started climbing down the tree they left quickly! I then posted the property (that was 6 years ago). The signs were removed for trout season and never put back up until this year when a duck hunter decided to hunt (again without permission) on the first day of duck season and take 5 shots at ducks 125 yards from my cabin (which I had men staining outside) and 75 yards from my uncles cabin. When I confronted him he stated he was sorry and didn't know there were cabins there! My blood was boiling when he said that. I did call the Game Commission and the guy had the nerve to ask me if he could continue hunting! What a freakin moron. My property is now posted every 30 feet. I WILL HAVE SIGNS MADE FOR TROUT SEASON THAT SAY "FISHERMAN WELCOME, PLEASE RESPECT MY PROPERTY, PLEASE DON'T LITTER, PLEASE ENJOY YOURSELF AND GOOD LUCK"

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I would make it open to fathers and there kids only fish. 12 and under. I have taken my kid to places on Elk and people have no respect at all ..They are dropping F bombs and talking about things my 9 year old does not need to hear. Its rediculous.



JEB is asking !
What about the fisherMOMS out there, there are some of them too !
My wife fishes too.
 
I agree with you the language on the stream is out of hand sometimes, I catch myself swearing too much all the time. But if there is a child around, I will act more responsible and watch what I say.

I would post and limit the number of people by permit only, to which I would sell for $50 a head like the DSR in New York. Why not make a buck like so many do. Of course I would let fellow fisherie members fish....It would also be C&R as well.

Interesting how many would post their property yet they are among a group of all of us who beg for more public land and support the PFBC working with landowners to keep their property open to fishing. 
 
No pot and kettle reference even needed.   Whoops. 
 
And interesting how many on this site point fingers at everyone else as being the problem.  Please join me in admitting that we are all part of the problem.  In some way, some form.  For all the saints who claim to take bags of trash out I have seen exactly 0 fishermen in 8 years with a bag of trash.  Not saying it doesn't happen and there are organized cleanings and threads, just saying I see a lot of blaming on this site about everyone else on the streams.  Kind of like that old Family Circus cartoon where the dad questions all three kids about an incident and gets the same answer "Not me."  Then there is an outline of a ghost figure behind all of the kids named "Not Me."  Just because you sign up for a fishing site about the area where you fish does not exempt you from being what so many on here gripe about.  Again there is a lot of pot and kettle bs on here. 
 
 
 
As for any additional regs being enforced does anyone have any idea as to the legality of that?  Specifically c and r and any additional creel regs. 
 
For the last time if you think that fly fishermen as a whole are cleaner or somehow more of whatever you think they are you clearly have not fished Erie as often as you should.  No one group is better or worse, it is all about the individual.  Take a look at your local****s, Wal'mart, or Gander Mt.  A basic starter fishing rod and rell will go about the same as a starter fly rod/reel.  You can go just as cheap on any of the equipment.  Economic class status has nothing to do with fishing behavior, just pointing out that anyone can pick up any setup these days and start fishing. There is no certification or graduation to a fly rod that ensures one will not litter, not snag, not be an a-hole, spot stealer, etc, etc. 
 
Given the choice of betting on a flyrodder walking upstream on Walnut to litter less than a guy on the wall on a bucket with an ugly stick I'll take the guy on the wall as most likely to throw his sh-- away.  Not all of them do but at least their are cans near the access.  No garbage cans upstream means more oppurtunities to "drop" something completely out of view.