Opening up the mouth?

I really don't know about the legality of this, but wondering if it was legal to send a few dozen guys with shovels to the mouths of the tribs to open up the sand/ gravel bars. I think I even heard about something along those lines being done before. Taking it one step further, I'ts a shame that we lack the resources currently to alter the stream flow to enhance the runs. Salmon river flow is controlled. Shame we don't have a major tailwater feeding the lake on the east and west sides, i.e. a hyrdoelectric plant with cool, regulated bottom flows. Imagine what kind of a fishery that could promote.You would get salmon runs, walleye in the spring pre spawn, we wouldn't be sitting on our rods waiting for a rainstorm right now. I'm sure there would have to be very intensive environmental impact studies done before hand, etc. But it could mean creating a fantastic nerw fishery and more clean hydro power. Just dreamin' and thinking. I won't make it up till late October, so I'm really bored right now, also waiting for archery season. Just thought I'd throw that bone out there to chew on a while.

NO!!!! you can not divert the flow of water on any water in pa.....
 
Dont you think it would have been done by now????
 
You are not the only genius on the tribs....

Would anyone refer to King fishing on the Salmon river as unnatural? How about the fact that the PFBC does all the reproduction for us, and hatches all the fry? Not to mention that steelhead aren't even native to this time zone! Let's keep the line clear here, between a daydream and reality. It's not like I'm currently drafting the plans, and firing up the dozers. I've been fortunate enough to fish some amazing tailwaters, and have to say that it is totally worth the effort and resources to create new ones. Hydro power creates clean energy sources, new impoundments, boosting many different forms of recreation....and most that affect migratory fish have incorporated fish ladders by this point. BTW, during very dry years in the past, have the powers that be ever used an alternative method to help the migration?

The fishing on the tribs has been great for years and will continue to be.  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".  Just be patient and the mouths will open up just fine as they always do.  I think there are better areas where moneys could be concentrated in anyway.  Such as creating some better launches and access areas to Lake Erie in PA.

ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel

Would anyone refer to King fishing on the Salmon river as unnatural? How about the fact that the PFBC does all the reproduction for us, and hatches all the fry? Not to mention that steelhead aren't even native to this time zone! Let's keep the line clear here, between a daydream and reality. It's not like I'm currently drafting the plans, and firing up the dozers. I've been fortunate enough to fish some amazing tailwaters, and have to say that it is totally worth the effort and resources to create new ones. Hydro power creates clean energy sources, new impoundments, boosting many different forms of recreation....and most that affect migratory fish have incorporated fish ladders by this point. BTW, during very dry years in the past, have the powers that be ever used an alternative method to help the migration?

Steel, that was my point. It's already a man made thing, so how much further do you want to take it? Should we have the dams automatically filet the fish for us so we can avoid the hastle of having to catch them?

ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel

I really don't know about the legality of this, but wondering if it was legal to send a few dozen guys with shovels to the mouths of the tribs to open up the sand/ gravel bars. I think I even heard about something along those lines being done before. Taking it one step further, I'ts a shame that we lack the resources currently to alter the stream flow to enhance the runs. Salmon river flow is controlled. Shame we don't have a major tailwater feeding the lake on the east and west sides, i.e. a hyrdoelectric plant with cool, regulated bottom flows. Imagine what kind of a fishery that could promote.You would get salmon runs, walleye in the spring pre spawn, we wouldn't be sitting on our rods waiting for a rainstorm right now. I'm sure there would have to be very intensive environmental impact studies done before hand, etc. But it could mean creating a fantastic nerw fishery and more clean hydro power. Just dreamin' and thinking. I won't make it up till late October, so I'm really bored right now, also waiting for archery season. Just thought I'd throw that bone out there to chew on a while.

 
 
Congratulations!!!!  Truely one of the worst ideas ever brought upon this board.

I don't think they are allowed to dig in walnut creek anymore, except for dredging the mouth for boats. 

DCNR/DEC edict

Shut up, well said......
 
Bug he said the mouth not the holes??????

I remember years ago someone opening the mouth of Elk with a steam shovel.

Looks like we could be getting some rain soon.
 
http://www.accuweather.com/us/pa/erie/16501/forecast-15day.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=1&metric=0
 

Oh Dreary Erie how we can't wait for you to become miserable again!

ORIGINAL: MackJ

You guys need to think big:  install a large diameter pipe and pump system-- plenty of water in the lake.  During low water periods, pump the water upstream and turn on the faucet.  I suggest one pipe running up Rte 832.  You can dump into Walnut and Elk with a single pipe.

While your idea if done would get alot more water in a stream it would not cause a good run cause most of the fish that would enter the stream would now turn back or not come in at all because the entire sent of the stream would be changed. While granted you will get strays that were not origanaly stocked in said stream the majority were from previus stocks and will enter the stream based on its smell that they remmeber from the time they were stocked thier. More project ares is what we need the more hioles that can be kept open the better fishing we will all have for years and years to come. I could have sworn if each of the 2 project holes they did stayed open they were going to make even more of them in the future.Stop sign hole is all but filled in now and surely needs dug out or diverted to self flush itself so it can be the old deep hole we all know in the past.

Now if you can just get the Trib to keep re-printing that pic for the next 6 months, the 'Mupheres' will stay in the Burgh and youinz' guys in Erie will have one heck of a Chrome season through next spring:-)

Too many man made things will make man made problems for the future. Besides you will all be ****ed when you get done digging and the wind changes making big waves and fill your hole fight back in!!