Losing Big Cats

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2008/06/07 03:57:47 (permalink)

Losing Big Cats

Start fishing for flats tonite. Had 3 good runs, but lost them all. Two break offs and one hook didnt find the right spot.   Running 50lb spiderwire stelath, 7/0 heavy wire circle hooks, and 5 oz. bank sinkers. Where im fishing at there is lots of rock and very swift current. I belive the weights are geeting hung up in the rocks. Does anyone know of a good sinker beakaway system that would work in these conditions without getting tangled in the main line. Any info would be greatly appricated!!! 

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/07 06:12:19 (permalink)
    maybe putting the sinkers on a dropper using a splitshot to hold your main sinkers in place. if you snag the splitshot pulls free and you lose your sinker but not the hook. sounds like this can get expensive 5 oz sinkers aren't cheap.

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/07 10:00:09 (permalink)
    Thanks. I'll try it tonite. And the lead runs about 3.25 for 2.

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/07 12:27:46 (permalink)
    For carp I use whats called a safety clip. How this works is you have a clip that slides over the swivel tight and holds it in place then there is a place to slide the lead over and a rubber piece that slides over where it clips on holding it all in place. If you get hung up it pops off and you lose the weight but thats about it. I use 4oz weight so it works with heavy stuff.  http://www.fish.state.pa.us/pafish/carp/carp_fishing.htm  Go to the bottom and click on bolt rig and you can see how it works. Any questions just ask.
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/07 15:30:09 (permalink)
    Where can you get these safty clips at? That looks like an ideal setup. Thanks.

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/07 22:56:01 (permalink)
    Slinksy sinkers may solve you problem. They have advantages and disadvantages but there thinner profile may help with your problem
     
    Its just my opinion but a A 5oz sinker seems like alot of weight. While I'm sure the rivers are raging right now, in most other instances a smaller weight should work.
     
    If you are breaking the fish off when the weight is snagged you may try keeping tension on the fish, sometime the fish will pop the weight own its' own. 
     
    I'm not sure what you are using for bait and have very little experience with circle hooks. If am not mistaken the hook size of a circle is actually a bit smaller than a stanard bait hook, correct me if I'm wrong. You may consider using a larger circle hook, say a size nine or ten. A hook with a larger gap like a Kahle style hooks may also improve your hook up ratio.
     
    Best of luck
     
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/08 13:51:11 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the info folks. I was finally able to get one landed last night after breaking one off bout 10 pm. I got my last run of the night bout an hour later, an pulled a flatty out, my PB so far 26.4 lb. 40" and was able to get one of my hooks back that I had lost earlier that night or the night before. Again thanks for all the info.

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/08 21:32:14 (permalink)
    I have a question,,,I see alot about big cats at night,,flatheads mostly. Is the flathead fishing done generaly more from shore, in the three rivers?
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/09 02:18:31 (permalink)
    I myself have caught them from both on a boat and shore. Its just a basic understanding of the feeding patterns of the targeted fish, just as it is with all fishing. Like most predatory fish, flats come shallow to feed. Same as muskie or big browns that are cruising shallow flats or around the edge of a hole looking an easy meal. As far as day or night goes, channels & flatheads seem to be most active at night. Although with the right conditions they can be caught durring the day. I prefer the night myself, much more comfortable when the heat & humidity are as high as they been. Hope this helps.

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/09 22:06:51 (permalink)
    nothin beats nite fihing for cats no matter what bait you use
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/10 03:53:38 (permalink)
    Yep this time of year nothin beats fishin all night for big cats. Kinda like yoga for fisherman, ( I think) very relaxing, weather you catch anything or not. Untill you hook on to what seems like a truck, then all hell breaks loose, but thats why your there to begin with.

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/10 09:22:27 (permalink)
    use a 3 way swivel
    put your hook and bait on a line about 2 pounds lighter (it will break before your main line) and put your sinker dropper on 5-10 pound lighter line, that way it breaks well before the main line or your baited line
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/10 13:44:59 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: accordbw

    For carp I use whats called a safety clip. How this works is you have a clip that slides over the swivel tight and holds it in place then there is a place to slide the lead over and a rubber piece that slides over where it clips on holding it all in place. If you get hung up it pops off and you lose the weight but thats about it. I use 4oz weight so it works with heavy stuff.  http://www.fish.state.pa.us/pafish/carp/carp_fishing.htm  Go to the bottom and click on bolt rig and you can see how it works. Any questions just ask.

     
    Where could I get these clips at?

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/10 19:37:27 (permalink)
    Here is who I use. I use these ones  http://www.scorpiontacklestore.com/terminal%20tackle_clips_rubbers_sleeves.htm  the kit at the bottom has both pieces and the swivel to match. I use 4.2oz and no problems with them.
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/11 03:20:46 (permalink)
    Thanks, I think those will work great.

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/11 17:52:07 (permalink)
    Let me find a picture of another thing you may like even better. Its an inline lead thats 3oz and up. There is a plastic tube through the middle to prevent fraying of the line and the swivel goes in it as well creating the same bolt effect. This casts like a dream and rarely gets tangled. Also if you use a feed type bait it can be packed around the lead and holds during the cast and breaks down and your main bait can be on the hook so it chums it precise. I will find a link for you. Where are you from? If you are close I can just show you different ones.
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/11 21:41:28 (permalink)
    Guy I spoke with at Elk Creek mouth, caught 8 cats using a bobber and crawler for bait. In 2 foot water, had 18in under bobber with light sinker allowing bait to float. Saw a nice one 20+ hauled in.
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/12 03:18:43 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: accordbw

    Let me find a picture of another thing you may like even better. Its an inline lead thats 3oz and up. There is a plastic tube through the middle to prevent fraying of the line and the swivel goes in it as well creating the same bolt effect. This casts like a dream and rarely gets tangled. Also if you use a feed type bait it can be packed around the lead and holds during the cast and breaks down and your main bait can be on the hook so it chums it precise. I will find a link for you. Where are you from? If you are close I can just show you different ones.

     
    Indiana area

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/12 03:23:46 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: qsbill

    Guy I spoke with at Elk Creek mouth, caught 8 cats using a bobber and crawler for bait. In 2 foot water, had 18in under bobber with light sinker allowing bait to float. Saw a nice one 20+ hauled in.
    Tight line
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    My bait and lead would pull the float under, unless its a innertube. Bait 4-7 inch bluegills and at least 5oz of lead. But thanks anyway. Any info from other fisherman is always welcome.

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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/12 13:53:30 (permalink)
    You could try a 3 way swivel.use lighter line on the weight.
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/14 19:44:41 (permalink)
    think you're running into some gar? or are they pulling too hard? if the rigs suggested to you here still lead to break offs, try a steel leader maybe
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/14 20:35:14 (permalink)
    How is the catfishing when the rivers are way up?  I have been inside alld ay with the rain and am anxious to get some fresh air?
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    RE: Losing Big Cats 2008/06/15 12:51:34 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: KEVINM

    How is the catfishing when the rivers are way up?  I have been inside alld ay with the rain and am anxious to get some fresh air?

     
    Hit the allegheny last night, the river was acctually down from last weekend despite the rain. But the fishing is slow due to the cold front thats pushing through, did manage to catch 3 flathead 2 small ones 20-25" one 40.25" 33.14lb. All on live bluegill 5-7".

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